Another Argument for Bills to Not Build a Billion $ Palace in B/Lo

[BADOLBILZ]

4 hours ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

...you hurt the feelings of the greedmeister Boy Danny Snyder by leaving him out.......on another note, he is an interesting perspective (?) someone posted in one of the numerous new stadium threads (apologize, but I'll have to paraphrase)......"a new stadium with higher ticket prices would attract the more affluent fan who currently stays at home to avoid the rowdy drunken fans that currently attend......that ilk would then be priced out"........hmmmm.......

 

 

DirtyBlinds.com is going to buy a suite?

[Hammered a Lot]

9 hours ago, purple haze said:

Agree.  But if I were a betting man, I'd bet on the downtown option being what is chosen by the Pegula's.

ECC South. 

[apuszczalowski]

9 hours ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

.....oh...my apology......isn't that EXACTLY what I said?.......seems like you conveniently skipped over economy of scale and what the WNY market can bear.........skipping those tiny details, sounds you of the volition, "if we build it, they will come".....got it......

If WNY can't afford it, then they can't afford an NFL franchise and the league will force them into an area that can. The league and other owners aren't charities who will continue to help the Bills stat afloat without contributing themselves. It doesn't matter if they have die hard fans, if they can't afford to pay market prices, they can't afford the NFL.

[Kirby Jackson]

16 hours ago, NoSaint said:

Wait... she has high standards, and... is with you? 
 

not to detour the thread but some things warrant discussion 

OMG, you have no idea how difficult she can be!! She’s here now and the temperature in my house is set at 62 degrees!! Just an example, i like to sleep in the cold but my God!!

16 hours ago, MJS said:

That's from 2010. Bills were middle of the road in revenue last year.

2019 on both

[gjv001]

What, exactly, is lacking at New Era that the League wants? Does anybody have the list?

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

9 hours ago, apuszczalowski said:

If WNY can't afford it, then they can't afford an NFL franchise and the league will force them into an area that can. The league and other owners aren't charities who will continue to help the Bills stat afloat without contributing themselves. It doesn't matter if they have die hard fans, if they can't afford to pay market prices, they can't afford the NFL.

 

 

...charitable in what sense?...equal sharing of TV revenues?........how else would they be distributed?.....and where would be your "cutoff line" for "non-contributors" that should be "forced into other areas?......bottom 10?...bottom 5?.........and what markets should the "bottom feeders" be relocated to that you would perceive to be acceptable financial contributors?.....

[Mr. WEO]

9 hours ago, apuszczalowski said:

If WNY can't afford it, then they can't afford an NFL franchise and the league will force them into an area that can. The league and other owners aren't charities who will continue to help the Bills stat afloat without contributing themselves. It doesn't matter if they have die hard fans, if they can't afford to pay market prices, they can't afford the NFL.

 

none of this is true

 

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

29 minutes ago, gjv001 said:

What, exactly, is lacking at New Era that the League wants? Does anybody have the list?

 

 

 

...good question....where is Goodell's list of "New Era deficiencies"?......Arrowhead opened the year before New Era and has been just fine with renovations.....look at the stadium cost for Niners, Dallas, Rams/Chargers, etc along with cost of PSL's and tickets......or how about the Falcons with an Atlanta metro population of 6 million, dealing with $32 million in PSL defaults?.....Buffalo pales in comparison to the substantial corporate presence/support in those markets....

[apuszczalowski]

37 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

none of this is true

 

What's not true? The Bills don't get revenue sharing from the league because they are one of the lowest revenue franchise? That other NFL Owners like Jerry Jones enjoy being charitable sharing more of their revenue with lower revenue teams?

 

48 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

 

...charitable in what sense?...equal sharing of TV revenues?........how else would they be distributed?.....and where would be your "cutoff line" for "non-contributors" that should be "forced into other areas?......bottom 10?...bottom 5?.........and what markets should the "bottom feeders" be relocated to that you would perceive to be acceptable financial contributors?.....

If a franchise isn't willing to what's asked to try and increase revenue. The league has determined that New Era doesn't meet their standards and needs to be upgraded to increase revenue.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

6 minutes ago, apuszczalowski said:

What's not true? The Bills don't get revenue sharing from the league because they are one of the lowest revenue franchise? That other NFL Owners like Jerry Jones enjoy being charitable sharing more of their revenue with lower revenue teams?

 

 

..is Jerry Jones the "Gold Standard"?....he like Snyder BOUGHT THEIR WAY into the "club" on the upswing......how about the founders and their element of risk?...how about Lamar Hunt and Ralph Wilson with their element of risk in 1960 with the AFL, a MAJOR component of today's NFL?......RW put up 25 grand (a tidy sum in those days) and loaned the Raiders $400 grand (an even tidier sum) to stay afloat.....and you think equal revenue sharing of TV revenue is charitable?.....how else would you allocate TV revenue if "equal sharing is charitable"?......the larger markets ripe with corporate sponsorship and huge metro populations are at a distinct advantage.......THIS JUST IN: Falcons, in the Atlanta metro market of SIX MILLION people, are dealing with $32+ mil in PSL defaults.......how come?.........

[Codyny13]

I’m sorry, that was a tough read, you lost me. I got the jist though, and at the end of the day some major changes will be made, it’s inevitable. The NFL is a conglomerate on 32 owners. Those owners want changes in Buffalo. It’s just a matter of what and where.

[Just Joshin']

20 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

The least valuable franchise in the league: https://www.forbes.com/sites/mikeozanian/2019/09/04/the-nfls-most-valuable-teams-2019-cowboys-lead-league-at-55-billion/amp/

30th in revenue:

https://www.statista.com/statistics/193553/revenue-of-national-football-league-teams-in-2010/

 

They charge significantly less than other markets. The stadium doesn’t generate the other revenue streams of others, etc..

 

I PROMISE, PROMISE, PROMISE, a new stadium or complete renovation ($500M+) will be happening. This is not something that “might” happen. 

The revenue issue is misunderstood IMO.

 

For Buffalo the revenue is less but expenses are also less as there is no debt service.  So Buffalo may be more profitable with less revenue. We will not know since they do not have to release their financials.

 

For the NFL it is about a smaller share for the visiting team and not being able to advertise the revenue levels.  This should be of no concern for the Bills.

 

This is simple: if the Bills believe the market can afford a new stadium, then downtown will be the location.  If they don't then an updated New Era will be the plan.

[Just Joshin']

10 hours ago, apuszczalowski said:

If WNY can't afford it, then they can't afford an NFL franchise and the league will force them into an area that can. The league and other owners aren't charities who will continue to help the Bills stat afloat without contributing themselves. It doesn't matter if they have die hard fans, if they can't afford to pay market prices, they can't afford the NFL.

So you think the NFL will force the Bills to move?  A PR loser that will never happen.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

4 minutes ago, Just Joshin' said:

The revenue issue is misunderstood IMO.

 

For Buffalo the revenue is less but expenses are also less as there is no debt service.  So Buffalo may be more profitable with less revenue. We will not know since they do not have to release their financials.

 

For the NFL it is about a smaller share for the visiting team and not being able to advertise the revenue levels.  This should be of no concern for the Bills.

 

This is simple: if the Bills believe the market can afford a new stadium, then downtown will be the location.  If they don't then an updated New Era will be the plan.

 

....agreed......but with a new stadium, there would be debt service.....if we built a Lucas Oil type stadium for circa $800 mil, and NYS chipped in $400 mil (COUGH), Pegs comes up with the other $400 mil.....and he SHOULD have realistic ROI expectations...I would NOT do it gratuitously.....for all of his faults, the now disposed Brandon did a good job regionalizing the franchise...in its irony, the Toronto venture was to attract regional investors first in the anticipation of RW's eventual passing and Canadian fans were actually secondary or already a given.....our company is in Rochester and has had a corporate suite for 20+ years......20 person suite runs us $75 grand a year before game food/bev as well as limo transportation, parking, tailgate costs, etc....add in another $25 grand......add in PSL's/suite increase and we're out.......the domed Indy venue is multi-purpose which may make more sense to offset debt service solely funded by eight home games per year.......

[Lurker]

2 hours ago, gjv001 said:

What, exactly, is lacking at New Era that the League wants? Does anybody have the list?

 

One word: Revenue

 

From the league's perspective, they could play in a cardboard box if they could substantially raise ticket prices or generate more shared revenue streams...

[Mr. WEO]

6 hours ago, apuszczalowski said:

What's not true? The Bills don't get revenue sharing from the league because they are one of the lowest revenue franchise? That other NFL Owners like Jerry Jones enjoy being charitable sharing more of their revenue with lower revenue teams?

 

If a franchise isn't willing to what's asked to try and increase revenue. The league has determined that New Era doesn't meet their standards and needs to be upgraded to increase revenue.

The others owners are t going to force the Bills to move.

 

All teams equally share in the shared revenue, whether they are high or low earners. 
 

The vast majority of Jerry’s revenue is not shared.He and the other owners aren’t suffering because the low ticket price of their away games gate receipts...

 

Is “the league” going to force the Colts, Bengals,  and Lions to move if they don’t bring up their revenue? How has that stadium worked out for getting the Colts to lift then out of revenue generating bottom feeder status?

 

This is a story to talk about in the off season. Nothing more.. 

 

 

Edited February 9, 2020 by Mr. WEO

[BUFFALOKIE]

Am I the only person who expects El Pugaul to slap his dick on the table, alongside a cool Bill(ion), pay for a new stadium himself, and say "bring it *****!"

 

The man would become a legend, and that precedent would change the sporting world.

 

Day drinking and doing laundry.

[Kirby Jackson]

3 minutes ago, BUFFALOKIE said:

Am I the only person who expects El Pugaul to slap his dick on the table, alongside a cool Bill(ion), pay for a new stadium himself, and say "bring it *****!"

 

The man would become a legend, and that precedent would change the sporting world.

 

Day drinking and doing laundry.

Yep, you are the only one that thinks that. He will forgo $400m(ish) from the state? Absolutely not 

[Mr. WEO]

13 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Yep, you are the only one that thinks that. He will forgo $400m(ish) from the state? Absolutely not 

 

what $400m(ish)?

[shane nelson]

Are the owners greedy, YES, is it a monopoly, YES.  But if you love the Bills and want them in Buffalo for the next 50 years for your kids and your kids/kids then they need a new modern home.  Significant rebuild of NEF of a DT stadium is the only way to ensure they are where they are meant to be.  And it does not matter what any of us want, we don't own the asset, we did not spend over $1B to buy the team.    This is the reality of the NFL and business in general.