DCOrange Posted February 6, 2020 Posted February 6, 2020 Pretty easy to watch him play and see how Daboll would love to have him. I’m concerned he’s not really a good fit for the biggest hole in our WR corps, that being the X. Struggles with press coverage and struggles with route running. I’d be happy to take him if we address the X spot before the draft but I don’t want to take him and pencil him in there. 1 1
CommonCents Posted February 6, 2020 Posted February 6, 2020 3 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: I wouldn't mind Ceedee Lamb or Henry Ruggs or Justin Jefferson From Beane’s few drafts I could easily him pointing a finger at one of these three and then moving up 7 or 8 slots to get them. 4 minutes ago, DCOrange said: Pretty easy to watch him play and see how Daboll would love to have him. I’m concerned he’s not really a good fit for the biggest hole in our WR corps, that being the X. Struggles with press coverage and struggles with route running. I’d be happy to take him if we address the X spot before the draft but I don’t want to take him and pencil him in there. Exactly right. I just don’t see how they can properly address the x before their first round pick. The FA class is much less than exciting. 1
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 6, 2020 Posted February 6, 2020 7 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: I wouldn't mind Ceedee Lamb or Henry Ruggs or Justin Jefferson OK, so I've heard someone called Ceedee Lamb called "the best WR in the draft" (vs Jeudy) I've also heard people mocking Ruggs to go way higher. So they sound like players we would have to trade up for? On the other hand, on Jefferson I found this: https://thedraftnetwork.com/player/justin-jefferson/esI1JY8rYR Would he be a bit of a reach as a 1st round guy? 7 minutes ago, CommonCents said: From Beane’s few drafts I could easily him pointing a finger at one of these three and then moving up 7 or 8 slots to get them. Given our 2 5th and 3 6th round picks, it would not shock me if Beane were to wheel and deal a player and a pick to try to get another 2nd or 3rd round pick as ammo to move up. I'm unclear on who and exactly what he'd have to do for this though. I hope he's got McDermott keeping tabs on him.
DCOrange Posted February 6, 2020 Posted February 6, 2020 11 minutes ago, CommonCents said: From Beane’s few drafts I could easily him pointing a finger at one of these three and then moving up 7 or 8 slots to get them. Exactly right. I just don’t see how they can properly address the x before their first round pick. The FA class is much less than exciting. AJ would theoretically address it. I think a trade might be more likely though (or if there’s a cap casualty).
Buffalo716 Posted February 6, 2020 Posted February 6, 2020 5 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: OK, so I've heard someone called Ceedee Lamb called "the best WR in the draft" (vs Jeudy) I've also heard people mocking Ruggs to go way higher. So they sound like players we would have to trade up for? On the other hand, on Jefferson I found this: https://thedraftnetwork.com/player/justin-jefferson/esI1JY8rYR Would he be a bit of a reach as a 1st round guy? Given our 2 5th and 3 6th round picks, it would not shock me if Beane were to wheel and deal a player and a pick to try to get another 2nd or 3rd round pick as ammo to move up. I'm unclear on who and exactly what he'd have to do for this though. I hope he's got McDermott keeping tabs on him. I think Ruggs will be there and possibly lamb. Jefferson would be more of a second round target to me These are just guys that I think fit what we do. I really like Ruggs 1
John from Riverside Posted February 6, 2020 Posted February 6, 2020 27 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: You can find all sorts of ways to use Cordarrelle Patterson too but he wasn't worth a first Shenault is great value in the second not round 1 of an NFL draft A lot of ppl said the same thing about Deebo Samuel
Buffalo716 Posted February 6, 2020 Posted February 6, 2020 1 minute ago, John from Riverside said: A lot of ppl said the same thing about Deebo Samuel Deebo Samuel wasn't a first round pick 1
Stank_Nasty Posted February 6, 2020 Posted February 6, 2020 29 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: You can find all sorts of ways to use Cordarrelle Patterson too but he wasn't worth a first Shenault is great value in the second not round 1 of an NFL draft uhhh. if he's "great value" in the 2nd then It stands to reason he's still solid value in the tail end of round one..... its not the dollar tree. we aren't freaking bargain shopping here... if you want the dude and you think he cant make a difference you freaking draft him.
Buffalo716 Posted February 6, 2020 Posted February 6, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said: uhhh. if he's "great value" in the 2nd then It stands to reason he's still solid value in the tail end of round one..... its not the dollar tree. we aren't freaking bargain shopping here... if you want the dude and you think he cant make a difference you freaking draft him. He's great value in round 2 because he's a jack of all trades and can do alot He's not good value in the first because he isn't great at any WR skills and may never develop And 22 is not tail end of round 1.. you can get an absolute stud who is way more polished than Shenault there 31 would be the tail end And I honestly don't want him at all. 22nd pick of round 2 sure Edited February 6, 2020 by Buffalo716
John from Riverside Posted February 6, 2020 Posted February 6, 2020 8 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: Deebo Samuel wasn't a first round pick but he SHOULD have been. I would rather have the right player then lament on where he was drafted 1
Chicken Boo Posted February 6, 2020 Posted February 6, 2020 Laviska can do it all, but he may not be there at #22. Especially after he rips the combine. 18 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: He's not good value in the first because he isn't great at any WR skills and may never develop And I honestly don't want him at all. 22nd pick of round 2 sure Since when are YAC and good hands NOT WR skills? And Shenault doesn't need a ton of development. I'm very curious as to what you thought about D.K. Metcalf around this time last year? Were you one of those worried about his 3-cone? Be honest.
Buffalo716 Posted February 6, 2020 Posted February 6, 2020 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said: Laviska can do it all, but he may not be there at #22. Especially after he rips the combine. Since when are YAC and good hands NOT WR skills? And Shenault doesn't need a ton of development. I'm very curious as to what you thought about D.K. Metcalf around this time last year? Were you one of those worried about his 3-cone? Be honest. No I was worried about his injury history And Shenault has great YAC skills that's it, and you need the ball in your hands for that He does not have elite hands catching the ball, he has solid hands . So his great skills are his YAC , that's it He is an elite runner , not an elite WR And his route running needs work Edited February 6, 2020 by Buffalo716 1
BADOLBILZ Posted February 6, 2020 Posted February 6, 2020 1 hour ago, gobills404 said: He looks a lot faster than 4.49 to me https://twitter.com/coachbirdd/status/1035884123615883264?s=19 Not seeing it. 1
Buffalo716 Posted February 6, 2020 Posted February 6, 2020 3 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: Not seeing it. Agreed not 4.44 at all 1
Bob Chandler's Hands Posted February 6, 2020 Posted February 6, 2020 I find it amusing that people think they can differentiate 0.05-0.10 second differences in 40 yard dash speed by watching a clip of a guy playing football. You can't.
Seoulofstone Posted February 6, 2020 Posted February 6, 2020 (edited) I'm not sold on Shenault. But missing on a receiver at 22 isn't the same as missing on a receiver in the top 5 after trading up. Especially if they pick 2 to hedge their bets. With Beane as GM there are also reasons to be hopeful that they can hit on later round picks. I have my preference but the Shenault pick would be completely understandable. Someone asked on Marino's podcast who had the best hands and he came up with 2 guys one of whom- Pitman (USC) is a definite mid round guy. Edited February 6, 2020 by Seoulofstone
Lurker Posted February 6, 2020 Posted February 6, 2020 24 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: A lot of ppl said the same thing about Deebo Samuel And he went in round 2 (#36) due to many of those same 'things.' Which would be fine for Shenault as well--not at 22. https://www.nfl.com/prospects/deebo-samuel?id=32195341-4d63-6097-eab1-34810e00be67
Buffalo716 Posted February 6, 2020 Posted February 6, 2020 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Bob Chandler's Hands said: I find it amusing that people think they can differentiate 0.05-0.10 second differences in 40 yard dash speed by watching a clip of a guy playing football. You can't. No but I played D1 football and still scout and coach I know what a 4.4 looks like and that's not it. It's solidly a 4.5 ish in my estimation When your around the game everyday for 30+ years you can pick things up Edited February 6, 2020 by Buffalo716 1
BADOLBILZ Posted February 6, 2020 Posted February 6, 2020 8 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: Agreed not 4.44 at all That looks like "I'll do the interviews and positional drills in Indy but I'll run the 40 at my pro day" speed. 3
Chicken Boo Posted February 6, 2020 Posted February 6, 2020 23 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: No I was worried about his injury history And Shenault has great YAC skills that's it, and you need the ball in your hands for that He does not have elite hands catching the ball, he has solid hands . So his great skills are his YAC , that's it He is an elite runner , not an elite WR And his route running needs work Be honest. You just don't like the guy, for whatever reason. You're on every post bashing him for various reasons, even though highlight reels, draft projections and scouting reports disagree with you. I've got an inkling that you had strong criticisms of DK last season too. I can tell.
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