McShay - Bills pass on WR and take RB Swift in 1st.

[Phil The Thrill]

11 hours ago, PIZ said:

If they can get a WR in FA and maybe one in Round 2, I would be OK with this. The Bills need an explosive RB.

 

https://billswire.usatoday.com/2020/02/04/espn-todd-mcshay-buffalo-bills-dandre-swift/?fbclid=IwAR0AhXP1cCG0x6JE5RHQCfVK1SSwaQeY-G7ey3_dXlXbiAOx2ZTzlXCny7o

Dumb... if they pass on a WR it won’t be for a RB.  They’ll go DE

[BADOLBILZ]

5 hours ago, thebandit27 said:

Right. We need dudes that opposing DCs worry about.

 

Right now, we’ve got one: the QB.

 

That’s it.

 

 

 

Yeah but you don't want to fall in love with the ankle breaking potential of a Roscoe Parrish and pass on a Vincent Jackson.   

 

 

[Mat68]

4 hours ago, brianthomas said:

Hey you said "run like SF" so i just made the point that you dont need a 1st rd back to have success, because they havent needed one.

But you're right here, most of the top 10 rushers in the league are 1st rd picks for sure. But if u go out to top 15 the numbers change as 7 of those are not. However.

 

More important imo than top rushers are the top rushing teams. It does no good if you have Nick Chubb but still finish 6-10.

Out of the top 10 rushing teams, how many of those have a 1st rd back leading the way? It's 2.

2 teams out of 10. Tennessee & Dallas (Im not counting Baltimore because of Lamar). So once again that shows you don't need a 1st rd back to have success running the ball. As a matter of fact it kinda shows the inverse, that you're more successful without one. As long as you build your offense in other areas. Oline, TEs, WR's etc.

 

At this point would i hate us getting one? No not really. But it seems like a luxury pick where we have so many other areas to improve that would serve us better as a whole (as a team), since wins matter most & not personal stats. And as i just showed, you don't necessarily need a 1st rd back to be one of the top rushing teams in the league. As the top rushing teams dont even have one. Now you can hangup

SF paid massive deals to 2 Rbs.  Mckinnion couldnt stay healthy and paid Coleman 40 mil.  Buffalo has a bag of cash.  Singeltary is very good, imo though he is limited to 15 to 20 touches.  Another guy in the backfield is needed.  Whether it be FA or draft its happening.  I could see Swift, now with the caveat the more premier positions are gone ie OT, De.  I know Wr will be the wanted pick.  At that point it comes down to BPA a RB could be that.

[thebandit27]

23 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

 

Yeah but you don't want to fall in love with the ankle breaking potential of a Roscoe Parrish and pass on a Vincent Jackson.   

 

 

No doubt. Gotta get the right ones.

[SydneyBillsFan]

If there is one thing I am confident about, it is that when it comes to draft picks - Beane does not waste them.

 

I dont know if we will take a DE, WR, LB or RB.....but I am sure that we will get a very good player at 22, irrespective of the position.

[atlbillsfan1975]

1 hour ago, formerlyofCtown said:

Don’t worry.  They won’t.

Wallace is more than solid.

I don’t agree. He was ok , very bad, and then good.

Edited February 5, 2020 by atlbillsfan1975

[PIZ]

 

[BADOLBILZ]

9 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

No doubt. Gotta get the right ones.

 

 

Donahoe got caught up chasing "playmakers"..........used a first on McGahee who was considered a much bigger HR threat than Travis Henry..........and went with Parrish because they wanted a different type of WR than they had.   Basically screwed up 2 drafts........which came back to haunt them in a couple years.

 

Swift would be a McGahee-esque pick.  Yeah McGahee sat out a season and Swift would play as a rookie.........but relatively speaking that draft had a lot less playmaking talent available than this one.

 

And I worry about getting more small targets for Allen............who almost instinctively started throwing the ball to big target Duke Williams when he was activated.

 

You mentioned KJ Hamler in another thread..........exciting player..........but does Allen have the ball placement and confidence to take full advantage of small targets like Hamler or even the host of 5'11 types like Ruggs and Reagor etc..

 

This is a fun WR draft but after Jeudy and Lamb you start making traditional "choices" between smaller, quick/fast talents and bigger and less "quick-starting" talents.    They gotta' choose right.   Hopefully the combine and private workouts help identify the right fits.

[ALF]

I like Swift but not the Bill's 1st rd for a RB.  I want a OL  first.

[Thurman#1]

13 hours ago, thebandit27 said:

Right. We need dudes that opposing DCs worry about.

 

Right now, we’ve got one: the QB.

 

That’s it.

 

 

Teams worry about Singletary, and about Brown as well. If Allen had hit ... say three of those five or six long bombs on which Brown was open long but overthrown, teams would have started to seriously back up the safety on his side.

 

Agreed, though, that they need both another WR and another RB. I personally would expect them to target an RB who's a style contrast to Singletary, a hammer to Devin's sting like a bee.

Edited February 5, 2020 by Thurman#1

[thebandit27]

43 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

Teams worry about Singletary, and about Brown as well. If Allen had hit ... say three of those five or six long bombs on which Brown was open long but overthrown, teams would have started to seriously back up the safety on his side.

 

Agreed, though, that they need both another WR and another RB. I personally would expect them to target an RB who's a style contrast to Singletary, a hammer to Devin's sting like a bee.

Teams do not worry about Singletary...he faced the fewest 8+ man boxes in the entire NFL (that’s probably part of the reason that his YPC was so high).

 

Brown doesn’t draw a double. There’s not a single time that I can recall where he’s faced one (nor can I find a reliable stat source to cite for that unfortunately).

 

Personally, I want a game-breaker at RB. A guy that is a threat to score every time he touches the ball.

8 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Donahoe got caught up chasing "playmakers"..........used a first on McGahee who was considered a much bigger HR threat than Travis Henry..........and went with Parrish because they wanted a different type of WR than they had.   Basically screwed up 2 drafts........which came back to haunt them in a couple years.

 

Swift would be a McGahee-esque pick.  Yeah McGahee sat out a season and Swift would play as a rookie.........but relatively speaking that draft had a lot less playmaking talent available than this one.

 

And I worry about getting more small targets for Allen............who almost instinctively started throwing the ball to big target Duke Williams when he was activated.

 

You mentioned KJ Hamler in another thread..........exciting player..........but does Allen have the ball placement and confidence to take full advantage of small targets like Hamler or even the host of 5'11 types like Ruggs and Reagor etc..

 

This is a fun WR draft but after Jeudy and Lamb you start making traditional "choices" between smaller, quick/fast talents and bigger and less "quick-starting" talents.    They gotta' choose right.   Hopefully the combine and private workouts help identify the right fits.

I hear you. I wouldn’t chase a RB in round 1; actually I wouldn’t chase any position per se.

 

The only thing I’ll say about player archetype is that I’ll always lean toward a guy that’s too darn fast to cover—in this case I’m thinking of Ruggs. Hamler is a guy that I think may fit that mold as well, but I’d like to see what his drills have to say about his relative SAQ.

[DCOrange]

Just say no to first round RBs, especially when we have a starting RB already. 

[Hardhatharry]

12 minutes ago, DCOrange said:

Just say no to first round RBs, especially when we have a starting RB already. 

/end thread

[colin]

meh, goes against the grain but if the front office think this guy is like saquon or something then you draft him in the early 20s.

 

the whole thing w rbs is that running isn't as big as it once was, and the relative value of one back vs another is lower.

 

i'd not be bothered by this if we got WR and DE in free agency

[thebandit27]

21 minutes ago, Hardhatharry said:

/end thread

Except that the leading rusher from last year’s Super Bowl was a 1st round pick. And the team they beat had a RB that was a first round pick.

 

I’m not saying that teams should be in a hurry to spend a 1st on a RB, but slamming the door on it altogether is misguided. If you’re a team that’s on the brink of a Super Bowl run, and you believe that a particular RB can out you over the top (as clearly the Pats****** did with Sony), then yeah, take him.

5 minutes ago, colin said:

meh, goes against the grain but if the front office think this guy is like saquon or something then you draft him in the early 20s.

 

the whole thing w rbs is that running isn't as big as it once was, and the relative value of one back vs another is lower.

 

i'd not be bothered by this if we got WR and DE in free agency

Are you sure that running isn’t as big? The Ravens just ran for 3,300 yards in a season! The 9ers dominated the NFC with a run game that let the QB get away with throwing 8 passes in the NFCCG!

 

Last year, the Pats****** let go of their pass-blocking LT and 2 of their top 3 WRs and signed 2 FA RBs, drafted a run-blocking LT and a RB in round 1, and traded for another run-blocking OT and won a Super Bowl by running right at people.

 

The run game is alive and well my friend!

[Teddy KGB]

22 hours ago, aristocrat said:

you want an offense like san fran's where we just run it down people's throats all year?  get another big time rb.  btw they catch passes too. you can get a wr in the second round as well. 

sf drafted zero rb’s in the first round, ??

[aristocrat]

23 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said:

sf drafted zero rb’s in the first round, ??

 

so you literally want to only take a rb in the 3rd an find an undrafted guy to lead your rb group?  is that the only formula to finding rbs?

[Teddy KGB]

7 minutes ago, aristocrat said:

 

so you literally want to only take a rb in the 3rd an find an undrafted guy to lead your rb group?  is that the only formula to finding rbs?

seems to work well for SF 

[aristocrat]

Just now, Teddy KGB said:

seems to work well for SF 

 

so you're saying that going forward that will work every single time? 

[thebandit27]

4 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said:

seems to work well for SF 

SF put a lot of irons into the RB fire. They signed Mostert as a street FA, but they also gave solid FA money to both McKinnon and Coleman. That’s aside from bringing in Breida and JWJ as UDFAs. They cast a wide net for sure.