Turk71 Posted February 3, 2020 Posted February 3, 2020 The Chiefs are already tight to the cap for next year with their current commitments. They will have a hard time keeping a strong supporting cast (the rest of the team) when Mahomes' cap hit goes from 5 to 40 mil. That is a big difference.
BigDingus Posted February 3, 2020 Posted February 3, 2020 (edited) 4 hours ago, Returntoglory said: Jesus. He could have been our QB ? The problem is not just that he could've been our QB...we've passed on tons of QB's in the past that have made us look stupid. The problem is that we sat there at that spot, took the time to evaluate it, then traded that EXACT spot to the team that then used that pick to select him...all while desperately needing a QB in the first place. If he was taken 5 spots later, it's bad, only not quite as bad. But literally handing that spot to the team that selected him feels like we said "Nah, he's not good enough for us, but here ya go, you take the guy!" Then he goes on to throw for 5,000 yards, 50 TD's, become an NFL MVP, win a Super Bowl and become a Super Bowl MVP...after only 2 years as a starting QB. Ouch. Edited February 3, 2020 by BigDingus
BigDingus Posted February 3, 2020 Posted February 3, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, Buffalo Ballin said: LOL. Only us. The Buffalo Bills and most of the fanbase, choose to pass on, League MVP Lamar Jackson, and Superstar Hall of Famer Patrick Mahomes, for crappy Josh Inaccurate Allen. Doug Flutie really hated us to put the hex on our butts. Damn. Dak Prescott. "Not Good." Says the guy who lives in Binghamton. Technically it wasn't only the Bills that passed on 2 MVP QB's. Many teams did. I agree with the sentiment that it was asinine, especially considering how desperate we've been for a good QB the past couple decades, but unless Doug Flutie also cursed dozens of other teams, it really has nothing to do with being cursed lol. But passing on QB's like Mahomes is why I still question McDermott's ability to mold Josh Allen into a solid QB (not even good or great, just consistently solid). How can I have faith he knows what makes a good QB when his ability to evaluate QB talent has been abysmal? Let's not forget 2018 when he thought we were set at the position with Nathan Peterman (who he also drafted) starting & a "project" rookie as our only 2 QB's. No veterans, 1.5 games of starting QB experience between them...and confident enough to trade away AJ McCarron because we definitely wouldn't have use for someone that's at least been on an NFL roster for more than a year. But yes, he drafted the correct QB & will mold him into someone worthy of a high 1st round pick. Side Note: I still love Sean McDermott otherwise. Glad he's our HC. Edited February 3, 2020 by BigDingus
JoPoy88 Posted February 3, 2020 Posted February 3, 2020 6 hours ago, NoSaint said: Let’s hear them. done this year or next? over/under: 39.5m per year 5.5 years 59% guaranteed he’s going to be a wealthy young man. 44 per year for 5 years all guaranteed
njbuff Posted February 3, 2020 Posted February 3, 2020 (edited) 6 hours ago, Returntoglory said: Jesus. He could have been our QB ? Were you saying that on draft day in 2017 when the Bills were about to make their pick or are you the millions of Monday Morning QB's who couldn't stand him at the time and wasn't even close to being worth the 10th overall pick? Funny how people forget that Andy Reid took a MAJOR chance at the time to make the trade up for him. And if Andy Reid didn't make that trade, a lot of people in NFL circles didn't even like Mahomes as a first rounder. So, enough already with this crap that the Bills should have taken him. They were NEVER taking Mahomes at 10 and many other NFL teams didn't like him at all. Case closed. My feelings on draft day that I liked Mahomes a lot (many on BBMB didn't like him) and I argued with a guy like jrober till the cows came home about how good I thought Mahomes was and he told me Air Raid QB's sucked. Point is, I loved Mahomes, but I fully understood why the Bills didn't take him as the Bills had to rebuild the ENTIRE offense. You might not like that reason, but that was the fact of the matter in 2017. While Reid gambled and won as he was able to sit Mahomes for a year and get him groomed for a ready-made offense. The hindsight is 20/20 crowd is getting sickening. Edited February 3, 2020 by njbuff 2
Returntoglory Posted February 3, 2020 Posted February 3, 2020 21 minutes ago, njbuff said: Were you saying that on draft day in 2017 when the Bills were about to make their pick or are you the millions of Monday Morning QB's who couldn't stand him at the time and wasn't even close to being worth the 10th overall pick? Funny how people forget that Andy Reid took a MAJOR chance at the time to make the trade up for him. And if Andy Reid didn't make that trade, a lot of people in NFL circles didn't even like Mahomes as a first rounder. So, enough already with this crap that the Bills should have taken him. They were NEVER taking Mahomes at 10 and many other NFL teams didn't like him at all. Case closed. My feelings on draft day that I liked Mahomes a lot (many on BBMB didn't like him) and I argued with a guy like jrober till the cows came home about how good I thought Mahomes was and he told me Air Raid QB's sucked. Point is, I loved Mahomes, but I fully understood why the Bills didn't take him as the Bills had to rebuild the ENTIRE offense. You might not like that reason, but that was the fact of the matter in 2017. While Reid gambled and won as he was able to sit Mahomes for a year and get him groomed for a ready-made offense. The hindsight is 20/20 crowd is getting sickening. Haha. I said " Could have been Einstein" . I didn't say should have been. Every QB pick is a gamble.
njbuff Posted February 3, 2020 Posted February 3, 2020 2 minutes ago, Returntoglory said: Haha. I said " Could have been Einstein" . I didn't say should have been. Every QB pick is a gamble. The Bills could have had Tom Brady and Joe Montana too, for example. Just saying.
Putin Posted February 3, 2020 Posted February 3, 2020 5 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: When were Sammy, Woods, Brown, and Beasley on the Bills team Don’t forget Eric Moulds and Andre Reed
Doc Brown Posted February 3, 2020 Posted February 3, 2020 If the Chiefs were so sure he'd be the next Aaron Rodgers 2.0 .....why did they wait until #10 to trade up? Reid was smart enough to know Alex Smith would never get him over the top and he needed a strong arm QB with loads of potential to groom. They rolled the dice with Mahomes the same way we did with Allen. Let's just wait and see what Allen can accomplish before having a collective pity party. 2
BringBackOrton Posted February 3, 2020 Posted February 3, 2020 42 minutes ago, njbuff said: Were you saying that on draft day in 2017 when the Bills were about to make their pick or are you the millions of Monday Morning QB's who couldn't stand him at the time and wasn't even close to being worth the 10th overall pick? Funny how people forget that Andy Reid took a MAJOR chance at the time to make the trade up for him. And if Andy Reid didn't make that trade, a lot of people in NFL circles didn't even like Mahomes as a first rounder. So, enough already with this crap that the Bills should have taken him. They were NEVER taking Mahomes at 10 and many other NFL teams didn't like him at all. Case closed. My feelings on draft day that I liked Mahomes a lot (many on BBMB didn't like him) and I argued with a guy like jrober till the cows came home about how good I thought Mahomes was and he told me Air Raid QB's sucked. Point is, I loved Mahomes, but I fully understood why the Bills didn't take him as the Bills had to rebuild the ENTIRE offense. You might not like that reason, but that was the fact of the matter in 2017. While Reid gambled and won as he was able to sit Mahomes for a year and get him groomed for a ready-made offense. The hindsight is 20/20 crowd is getting sickening. Man, imagine if we passed on Mahomes because he was a risky pick, multiple teams didn’t have him that high on their board etc etc and then the VERY NEXT YEAR we took an extremely risky, all the physical tools, QB prospect who many teams thought had a high bust potential and some didn’t have first round grades on him. That would be so wild. To your other “point,” the idea the Bills were NEVER taking a QB in 2017 is an indictment on them more than anything else. QB is #1 team building priority, not defensive backs. A really great QB makes all the difference. 9 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: If the Chiefs were so sure he'd be the next Aaron Rodgers 2.0 .....why did they wait until #10 to trade up? Reid was smart enough to know Alex Smith would never get him over the top and he needed a strong arm QB with loads of potential to groom. They rolled the dice with Mahomes the same way we did with Allen. Let's just wait and see what Allen can accomplish before having a collective pity party. I’m not a fortune teller, but I feel pretty confident in my prediction that Allen won’t be an MVP or Super Bow MVP before 25. Not because I think he sucks, but because those are insane accomplishments to reach that young. If Allen wins a Bills Super Bowl, it’ll all be fine. But if he doesn’t, the next 15 years will be all Mahomes all the time. And justifiably so.
BigBillsFan Posted February 3, 2020 Posted February 3, 2020 Here's the truth about Mahomes... his scheme makes up for his deficiencies. Reid built that team around athleticism first and playmakers, not precise route-running. Mahomes is not and will never be Brees. It works because the coach made it work. He saw in Mahomes what he could do and knew that was his guy. Mahomes on the Bengals would suck, a "bust" if you will. That's why drafts aren't as important as GMs and coaches with a vision. You can take a 6th round QB and figure him out in NE, or Big Ben and let him ride along a running attack. Montana under Reeves wouldn't have been Montana, etc.. GMs and coaches that have a vision are the real keys for success. 2 1
auburnbillsbacker Posted February 3, 2020 Posted February 3, 2020 If I was Mahomes I wouldn't accept any contract that wasnt fully guaranteed.
HOUSE Posted February 3, 2020 Posted February 3, 2020 I see Cap problems which will be fun to watch.....lol 1
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted February 3, 2020 Posted February 3, 2020 ‘A rising tide lifts all boats’. Mahomes success will allow NPeterman to get the contract opportunities he richly deserves. ?
BigBillsFan Posted February 3, 2020 Posted February 3, 2020 48 minutes ago, Jaraxxus said: This is a really good take. Too bad you're only one person. Could use about a million more of you. Nah if we all agreed the board would be boring. Having men argue about things outside of their control is enjoyment that goes back for thousands of years. Politics is the ultimate example. To quote the guy from Godzilla "Let them fight"
Matt_In_NH Posted February 3, 2020 Posted February 3, 2020 If he pushes the limits.....40mil per, mostly guaranteed. But that will hurt their ability to have a guy like Watkins as the 4th option. 1 hour ago, BigBillsFan said: Here's the truth about Mahomes... his scheme makes up for his deficiencies. Reid built that team around athleticism first and playmakers, not precise route-running. Mahomes is not and will never be Brees. It works because the coach made it work. He saw in Mahomes what he could do and knew that was his guy. Mahomes on the Bengals would suck, a "bust" if you will. That's why drafts aren't as important as GMs and coaches with a vision. You can take a 6th round QB and figure him out in NE, or Big Ben and let him ride along a running attack. Montana under Reeves wouldn't have been Montana, etc.. GMs and coaches that have a vision are the real keys for success. Similarly Brees will never be Mahomes. Which one will have more success in the big picture at the end of their careers?
BigBillsFan Posted February 3, 2020 Posted February 3, 2020 4 minutes ago, mattynh said: Similarly Brees will never be Mahomes. Which one will have more success in the big picture at the end of their careers? Agreed, but Brees came from different rules. You'll notice the top guys from 20 years ago became efficient with time out of their hand as a big component to their success. Now with the WR rules it benefits a Mahomes more. Get a little time and throw the ball. It could benefit Allen too. Mahomes with a Reid/Pederson type coach will have more success than Brees. Brees has to throw 25-30 completions to have a great game, Mahomes only needs 6-8. Its like what Deontay Wilder said when he said his opponents have to be right 100% of the time to beat him and all he needs is 1 second. It's a different game/mindset. It's why defensive teams will struggle to win the big one. They can, but it will be hard. They have to be right all the time, the big play offense only has to be right a few times.
BigBuff423 Posted February 3, 2020 Posted February 3, 2020 8 hours ago, Happy Gilmore said: Too much. QB contracts are becoming a big bubble that will burst. It will be too difficult to afford anyone else; you'll have a great QB and nothing else so you'll end up sucking or being mediocre, at best. I used to feel this way as well, but with the constantly changing Cap number and it's always going up, new CBA coming, and the fact that every year in this NFL era - it's been shown that if you have a truly great QB, and the GM can Draft well enough and use FA appropriately, there are always ways to get replacement level value players at every position and the team can win. Now, building a core and keeping them together is a different animal and one that hails the feelings of nostalgia, but in the contemporary NFL, it just isn't done much.
Returntoglory Posted February 3, 2020 Posted February 3, 2020 2 hours ago, njbuff said: The Bills could have had Tom Brady and Joe Montana too, for example. Just saying. Brilliant!
Chaos Posted February 3, 2020 Posted February 3, 2020 Its is not clear to me how dependent the Mahomes brand is on winning. If he is able to make more money on endorsements than on football,. like a Tiger Woods type player, his contract might very well be less than people think, in order to make sure the talent surrounding him remains good enough to win. Brady's willingness to play for less has been a distinct patriots advantage (I am aware Brady has a uniquely high earning wife among NFL QBs). Would Aaron Rodgers or Drew Brees have four or five Rings, if they had played for Brady's money. Mahomes' amazing national popularity and high level of charisma makes him in a different position to earn money away from his direct QB compensation than most.
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