Tiberius Posted February 3, 2020 Posted February 3, 2020 30 minutes ago, GG said: I'm asking you to present proof that we are slithering towards a dictatorship - which would include examples where the Executive is acting on powers beyond what he is allowed to do by law. Go! Where to start? How about seizing funds that were not congressional appropriated for a certain job? The wall How about skipping congressional approval for primary officers of state? Like an attorney general overseeing an investigation of the President? Cheating at elections would seem to be a pretty big one, but to you GG, it’s only bad if Dems would have done it. How about obstructing congress in its attempt to get the truth? Threatening certain corporations, remember that? Imagine if Bernie Sanders gets to do that? All the corruption, that’s very dictator like. Getting security clearances for people the professionals said should not have them. Hobnobbing with the dictators. What else would a dictator do? Ya ya, Hillary something something emails.... 37 minutes ago, Kemp said: 6 pages in. Everyone is afraid of the question on whether you would support Trump refusing to leave if he loses. If the answer is Yes, you are fine with a dictatorship. Odd that none of you has the balls to answer. Maybe you're all waiting for the loser in the basement to retweet in big fonts. That will show everybody. What makes anyone think he can lose now? He got impeached for cheating in THIS election, he will do whatever he wants and only get a slap on the back from those people who....
Westside Posted February 3, 2020 Posted February 3, 2020 2 hours ago, Tiberius said: Opposition research is different from using the power of government to force other governments to get involved. But you are saying, yes, Trump should be busy trying to steal the election. I hope he goes to jail Wait! You don't call the FBI, CIA, all under Obama using the force government wrong? This isn't an opinion like with Trump, this actually happened. 1
4merper4mer Posted February 3, 2020 Posted February 3, 2020 42 minutes ago, Kemp said: 6 pages in. Everyone is afraid of the question on whether you would support Trump refusing to leave if he loses. If the answer is Yes, you are fine with a dictatorship. Odd that none of you has the balls to answer. Maybe you're all waiting for the loser in the basement to retweet in big fonts. That will show everybody. LOL I've seen that same question asked about Bill Clinton, GWB and Obama. None of them refused to leave when it was there time nor will Trump. It was the same crap then too. Staged crisis....martial law....blah blah blah. The closest thing we've had regarding people refusing to leave were Al Gore and Hillary. 3 1
GG Posted February 3, 2020 Posted February 3, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said: The closest thing we've had regarding people refusing to leave were Al Gore and Hillary. And Bloomberg PS - That's what I love about the left. They're always more worried about hypotheticals, than what's actually happening in front of their eyes. Edited February 3, 2020 by GG 2
B-Man Posted February 3, 2020 Posted February 3, 2020 4 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said: LOL I've seen that same question asked about Bill Clinton, GWB and Obama. None of them refused to leave when it was there time nor will Trump. It was the same crap then too. Staged crisis....martial law....blah blah blah. The closest thing we've had regarding people refusing to leave were Al Gore and Hillary. It's liberal projection........ "Offer Alaska"............These people call Trump crazy, but it’s projection. They’re insane. . 4 2
Tiberius Posted February 3, 2020 Posted February 3, 2020 8 minutes ago, westside2 said: Wait! You don't call the FBI, CIA, all under Obama using the force government wrong? This isn't an opinion like with Trump, this actually happened. This is how it will work. Trump will do more things wrong and you guys will make up more lies. All the lies you guys spread are just another example of Trump’s contempt for republicanism. Trump’s lies are just more proof of his intentions. You know how ill roll. I’m a white guy. How will the tea party Trumpers know I’m not one of them? Oh the fun I’ll have.
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted February 3, 2020 Posted February 3, 2020 1 minute ago, B-Man said: It's liberal projection........ "Offer Alaska"............These people call Trump crazy, but it’s projection. They’re insane. . ...thought I read his offered California but Putin said, "that's YOUR problem".............. 2
Tiberius Posted February 3, 2020 Posted February 3, 2020 31 minutes ago, dgrochester55 said: Trump is by no means perfect, but if that was impeachable, then every single president in the last 50 years could have been impeached for something. Oh? Ok, how about Bush I for example? What foreign influence did he invite to throw the election?
snafu Posted February 3, 2020 Posted February 3, 2020 1 hour ago, Kemp said: I cited the border wall in my original post? Untrue. It's belief that he should be allowed to do anything he wants, despite the laws. That is the seed of dictatorship. I know what your first post was and that you didn't use the border wall as an example until later. The timing of your posts isn't relevant. The border wall example was your only example. Who believes that the President should "do anything he wants, despite the laws"? You haven't provided anything unique to this President that would support your assertion that THIS President is turning our country into a dictatorship. Don't use Ukraine -- he's about to be acquitted. 1
dgrochester55 Posted February 3, 2020 Posted February 3, 2020 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Oh? Ok, how about Bush I for example? What foreign influence did he invite to throw the election? I thought that this impeachment was about Ukraine and not Russia which was disproven. I do not see a purpose in arguing because you seem to be too trusting in the mainstream media which was a part of this attempted coup. If you want Trump out, the wonderful news for you is that you have the chance to do that in November! I will probably vote libertarian again like i have in the last three elections. You see I don't like Trump either, I just find him a bit less dangerous than a party who has done nothing but attempt to overthrow him since january of 2017. I hope that you also exercise your right to vote for who you want. Have a great day Edited February 3, 2020 by dgrochester55
Prickly Pete Posted February 3, 2020 Posted February 3, 2020 1 minute ago, snafu said: I know what your first post was and that you didn't use the border wall as an example until later. The timing of your posts isn't relevant. The border wall example was your only example. Who believes that the President should "do anything he wants, despite the laws"? You haven't provided anything unique to this President that would support your assertion that THIS President is turning our country into a dictatorship. Don't use Ukraine -- he's about to be acquitted. Kemp is full of crap, and isn't worth bickering with. He's right there with Schiff, dreaming up crap like "He could give Alaska to the Russians". He just throws crap at the wall, and hopes someone responds. 3
snafu Posted February 3, 2020 Posted February 3, 2020 1 hour ago, Kemp said: 6 pages in. Everyone is afraid of the question on whether you would support Trump refusing to leave if he loses. Why don't you wait until Trump (a) loses, and (b) refuses to leave office. Of course nobody would support him refusing to leave, but for you to presume that he would do so is absolutely preposterous. 3
Taro T Posted February 3, 2020 Posted February 3, 2020 2 hours ago, Azalin said: Agree to disagree, with the concession that term limits is pretty much a pipe dream anyway, considering that it would be the very people affected by the term limits that would be passing the legislation. The fact that they don't seem to want to pass it tells me that it would be bad for them and good for us. Fair enough. 1
Nanker Posted February 3, 2020 Posted February 3, 2020 1 hour ago, Kemp said: 6 pages in. Everyone is afraid of the question on whether you would support Trump refusing to leave if he loses. If the answer is Yes, you are fine with a dictatorship. Odd that none of you has the balls to answer. Maybe you're all waiting for the loser in the basement to retweet in big fonts. That will show everybody. This is an extremely poorly worded question. "Refusing to leave" just what exactly... The White House? Washington, D.C.? New York? Florida? The USA? The Republican Party? Mara Largo? Trump Tower? His estate in Bridgewater? Refusing to leave a tip? Refusing to leave a note to his successor? If he loses, he's no longer The President. End of story. To suggest otherwise is a ridiculous posit. 1
Prickly Pete Posted February 3, 2020 Posted February 3, 2020 Here you go.... If Trump loses, and there is no election fraud, I would not support him if he refuses to leave.
Deranged Rhino Posted February 3, 2020 Posted February 3, 2020 2 hours ago, Kemp said: I overestimated once again when I assumed people would know that refusing to turn over ownership of the White House is different than people complaining about not winning. Is it "complaining about winning" to weaponize the FBI, DOJ, and IC against the winner in an effort to overthrow him in your opinion? Your dishonest/ignorance is showing again. 2 hours ago, Kemp said: DR loves his villagers carrying the flames, sort of how Trump liked them in Charlottesville. At least he pretends to be smart. And yet, you run from any answers. Because you're a coward -- and have the brain the size of a pea. 1 hour ago, Kemp said: 6 pages in. Everyone is afraid of the question on whether you would support Trump refusing to leave if he loses. 6 pages in and you've yet to answer this: On 2/1/2020 at 9:10 AM, Deranged Rhino said: Funny how Kemp doesn't want to talk about the actual authoritarian overreach committed by the government... Page 82: NSA examined all queries using identifiers for "U.S. persons targeted pursuant to Sections 704 and 705(b) of FISA using the [REDACTED / X-Keyscore] tool in [REDACTED] ... from November 1, 2015 to May 1, 2016." Id. at 2-3 (footnote omitted). Based on that examination, "NSA estimates that approximately eighty-five percent of those queries, representing [REDACTED] queires conducted by approximately [REDACTED] targeted offices, were not compliant with the applicable minimization procedures." Id. at 3. Many of these non-compliant queries involved use of the same identifiers over different date ranges. Id. Even so, a non-compliance rate of 85% raises substantial questions about the propriety of using of [REDACTED / X-KEYSCORE] to query FISA data. While the government reports that it is unable to provide a reliable estimate of the number of non-compliant queries since 2012, id., there is no apparent reason to believe the November 2015-April 2016 period coincided with an unusually high error rate. (Emphasis my own) https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/icotr/51117/2016_Cert_FISC_Memo_Opin_Order_Apr_2017.pdf Horowitz reportedly finds FBI lawyer falsified FISA doc https://www.foxnews.com/politics/horowitz-finds-evidence-fbi-employee-altered-russia-probe-document FISA court slams FBI conduct in Carter Page surveillance warrant applications https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/17/politics/fisa-court-slams-fbi-conduct/index.html DOJ Determines 2 FISA Spy Warrants on Trump Campaign Adviser Were “Not Valid” https://themarketswork.com/2020/01/23/doj-determines-2-fisa-spy-warrants-on-trump-campaign-adviser-were-not-valid/ Comparing the allegations about Trump and the Ukraine to the proven crimes committed above is not something Kemp wishes to do. Because he knows one is far more dangerous of a slide towards a dictatorship than the other. And, because Kemp is a fool, he's upset about the wrong one. NPCs say the darndest things. You're a joke. 2
Orlando Buffalo Posted February 3, 2020 Posted February 3, 2020 2 hours ago, Kemp said: I will B word and moan but I will have no choice but to accept it Will you accept him refusing to leave if he loses, or will you also claim it was a fix? I asked this a while ago. You at least brought up a different scenario, but did not answer. Why are you afraid to answer? If he loses he will leave- if he does not leave he will be arrested appropriately. 2 hours ago, Kemp said: Offer up your home to the government. Do your part. If the government decides it needs my house for public safety and pays me fair market value I will do it. Eminent domain is for when no other reasonable solution is feasible. 1
Keukasmallies Posted February 3, 2020 Posted February 3, 2020 On 2/2/2020 at 3:45 PM, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...term limits?...seriously?....what legislation would EVER pass disconnecting the majority of 535 has been lawyers NOT employable in the private sector from the government's teat?....how many of these octogenarian sucklings hang on, reelected over and over by the fickle electorate despite their woeful ineffectiveness, yet cashing in on shear "connections (COUGH)"?...." this PSA is brought to you by the world's greatest democracy to be in your neighborhood soon"..... Thanks, you've added another plank to the lumber wagon entitled term limits rationale. Standing by and watching is not an option. If you always do what you always did, you always get what you always got.
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted February 3, 2020 Posted February 3, 2020 1 minute ago, Keukasmallies said: Thanks, you've added another plank to the lumber wagon entitled term limits rationale. Standing by and watching is not an option. If you always do what you always did, you always get what you always got. ...ever wonder why the Prez is limited to two terms but no one else??..............
Keukasmallies Posted February 3, 2020 Posted February 3, 2020 25 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...ever wonder why the Prez is limited to two terms but no one else??.............. My guess is that the no-term-limit office holders are afraid that the President will grow in strength proportionate to themselves thus threatening their fiefdom. 1
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