Alphadawg7 Posted February 1, 2020 Posted February 1, 2020 36 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: So I agree Tyrod's contract was handled better. I don't agree HE was better. He just benefited from a better defense. Not that it matters, neither were good enough...but, I would argue the stats and facts seem to support Tyrod having the better tenure as a Bills QB than Fitz. Under TT, he led the Bills to the 2nd highest scoring period in Bills history, 2nd only to the Bills first 3 SB years. We scored more points and he had way less turnovers. He also was at the helm of a winning season and a playoff birth, to go along with 2 Pro Bowl appearances. They were polar opposites as QB's, but TT led offenses scored more points and won more games. End of day, neither were a good answer to the Bills QB issues...but I think its pretty clear to say TT had a better tenure here than FitzCrapTrick did. Fitz I will say has had a better career so far given he's managed to keep finding ways to start as a journeyman around the league where TT thus far has been bench fodder since leaving B-lo.
LB48 Posted February 1, 2020 Posted February 1, 2020 9 hours ago, Charles Romes said: First: Kelvin Benjamin. Guy had all the physical tools and was a legit #1 at one point and refused to do any work to even stay in shape. How could you throw away $20M plus in career earnings by not even going to the gym. Second: Croom. Makes mistakes all the time which are totally unforgivable because his ceiling is so low. Knox drops are easier to take with the ceiling factor. Third: Jeff Wright and Mark Kelso. Not that they were horrible players, just that a pro bowler in one of these slots would have brought home a Lombardi. I so agree about Kelso & Wright. With a semi-stud nose tackle we might have won a couple of Super Bowls. Kelso was Levy's boy and shouldn't even have been starting in the NFL.
GunnerBill Posted February 1, 2020 Posted February 1, 2020 1 minute ago, Alphadawg7 said: Not that it matters, neither were good enough...but, I would argue the stats and facts seem to support Tyrod having the better tenure as a Bills QB than Fitz. Under TT, he led the Bills to the 2nd highest scoring period in Bills history, 2nd only to the Bills first 3 SB years. We scored more points and he had way less turnovers. He also was at the helm of a winning season and a playoff birth, to go along with 2 Pro Bowl appearances. They were polar opposites as QB's, but TT led offenses scored more points and won more games. End of day, neither were a good answer to the Bills QB issues...but I think its pretty clear to say TT had a better tenure here than FitzCrapTrick did. Fitz I will say has had a better career so far given he's managed to keep finding ways to start as a journeyman around the league where TT thus far has been bench fodder since leaving B-lo. I disagree. I think Tyrod only looks better here as a result of what was around him. Yes he turned it over less than Fitz but in doing so he missed dozens of plays almost weekly that were there to be made. TT was a pro bowl alternate for reasons I never understood. I am still firmly in give Fitz the defenses and offensive playmakers Tyrod had and he easily wins 10 or 11 games. I do agree ultimately neither were good enough. But Fitz > Tyrod. And twice on Sundays. You wouldn't win a Superbowl with Tyrod if you played 100 seasons. With Fitz in 100 years you might get 1 lightening in a bottle. I was never a Fitz homer but I'd take him over Tyrod every time.
Kirby Jackson Posted February 1, 2020 Posted February 1, 2020 57 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: So I agree Tyrod's contract was handled better. I don't agree HE was better. He just benefited from a better defense. 16 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: Not that it matters, neither were good enough...but, I would argue the stats and facts seem to support Tyrod having the better tenure as a Bills QB than Fitz. Under TT, he led the Bills to the 2nd highest scoring period in Bills history, 2nd only to the Bills first 3 SB years. We scored more points and he had way less turnovers. He also was at the helm of a winning season and a playoff birth, to go along with 2 Pro Bowl appearances. They were polar opposites as QB's, but TT led offenses scored more points and won more games. End of day, neither were a good answer to the Bills QB issues...but I think its pretty clear to say TT had a better tenure here than FitzCrapTrick did. Fitz I will say has had a better career so far given he's managed to keep finding ways to start as a journeyman around the league where TT thus far has been bench fodder since leaving B-lo. I can go either way on this debate. I tend to lean TT but see both sides. It was always odd to me that the were so hated when they were here. They were the only functioning QBs we ran out in a 15 year period. If you want to hate on guys, hate on Losman, Edwards, EJ, Peterman, Brohm, Tuel, et al.
Nick the Greek Posted February 1, 2020 Posted February 1, 2020 Jason Peters. The way the guy held out after we molded him into a O-lineman. He was a jerk.
GunnerBill Posted February 1, 2020 Posted February 1, 2020 Just now, Kirby Jackson said: I can go either way on this debate. I tend to lean TT but see both sides. It was always odd to me that the were so hated when they were here. They were the only functioning QBs we ran out in a 15 year period. If you want to hate on guys, hate on Losman, Edwards, EJ, Peterman, Brohm, Tuel, et al. I think the point was they were less contentious. I never hated on Tyrod. I thought he was doing his best. I just never felt there was even 0.01% chance he was good enough. I didn't love or hate either.
Kirby Jackson Posted February 1, 2020 Posted February 1, 2020 3 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: I think the point was they were less contentious. I never hated on Tyrod. I thought he was doing his best. I just never felt there was even 0.01% chance he was good enough. I didn't love or hate either. I feel like Tyrod and Fitz took more heat than the other guys mentioned. It’s weird because they were way better than those guys. Now maybe it’s because they were low end starters but that’s still better than mid level to low level backups. 1
GunnerBill Posted February 1, 2020 Posted February 1, 2020 Just now, Kirby Jackson said: I feel like Tyrod and Fitz took more heat than the other guys mentioned. It’s weird because they were way better than those guys. Now maybe it’s because they were low end starters but that’s still better than mid level to low level backups. Agree. But I think most people knew the other guys stunk.
Tcali Posted February 1, 2020 Posted February 1, 2020 Ralph.-Its his fault that the Bills have been an awful franchise for 60 years. Only Mike brown,Little Danny Snyder,and whoever owns the Lions were worse owners. Absolutely zero football sense. 1
bopper2 Posted February 1, 2020 Posted February 1, 2020 Ronnie Harmon. The Bickering Bills ceased being the Bickering Bills after he left. Coincidence? I think not. There were rumors that he was splitting the team along racial lines. One story had him passing a football around for players to sign, but not Andre Reed, because he was mixed race. The drop in the end zone vs. the Browns only adds to the venom. 1
Tcali Posted February 1, 2020 Posted February 1, 2020 4 minutes ago, bopper2 said: Ronnie Harmon. The Bickering Bills ceased being the Bickering Bills after he left. Coincidence? I think not. There were rumors that he was splitting the team along racial lines. One story had him passing a football around for players to sign, but not Andre Reed, because he was mixed race. The drop in the end zone vs. the Browns only adds to the venom. i dont think that was such a brutal 'drop' it was in tight quarters and was over his head.Kinda went through his hands.Woulda been a good catch.Not like it landed in his lap.Of course its been a few yrs but i dont remember it being a full on drop.
row_33 Posted February 1, 2020 Posted February 1, 2020 2 minutes ago, Tcali said: i dont think that was such a brutal 'drop' it was in tight quarters and was over his head.Kinda went through his hands.Woulda been a good catch.Not like it landed in his lap.Of course its been a few yrs but i dont remember it being a full on drop. you 100% absolve THIS??? 2 2
row_33 Posted February 1, 2020 Posted February 1, 2020 (edited) what fan could possibly come up with a tougher situation to make a clutch catch, poor Ronnie Harmon. Edited February 1, 2020 by row_33
JDubya76 Posted February 1, 2020 Posted February 1, 2020 (edited) Phil Housley. I know he didn’t play football but I just hated him so much. for me, Jarius Byrd and Ronnie Harmon Also, The Queen, the Vatican, the Gettys, the Rothschilds, and Colonel Sanders before he went tets-up. Oh, I hated the Colonel with is wee beady eyes! And that smug look on his face, "Oh, you're gonna buy my chicken! Ohhhhh!" Edited February 1, 2020 by JDubya76
muppy Posted February 1, 2020 Posted February 1, 2020 I dislike any player that gets traded and then has the gall to badmouth Buffalo. There have been several. The ones that come to mind are McGahee, Skittles, Gilmore and now Sammy Watkins, Takes a lot of nerve to be given an NFL shot and then talk smack out the door makes me lose respect.
BidsJr Posted February 1, 2020 Posted February 1, 2020 3 hours ago, bopper2 said: Ronnie Harmon. The Bickering Bills ceased being the Bickering Bills after he left. Coincidence? I think not. There were rumors that he was splitting the team along racial lines. One story had him passing a football around for players to sign, but not Andre Reed, because he was mixed race. The drop in the end zone vs. the Browns only adds to the venom. LOLOLOL at Ronnie Harmon and everyone who defends him. His cheating began long before his tenure with the Bills. I am an Iowa Hawkeye and his gambling issues started well before he was a Bill. I just happened to get shafted on both teams he played for.
The Frankish Reich Posted February 1, 2020 Posted February 1, 2020 (edited) Great question. OK, here's my principles for who gets to be considered: (1) tenure as a Bill has too be long enough to build up a reservoir of ill will. Otherwise we could just say "Vontae Davis" (some have) and "Percy Harvin" and be done with it. I say it should be a guy who played more than one season in a Bills uniform. (2) has to be a player that makes enough money to truly earn our disdain. So notoriously bad kick return specialists or lower paid backup QBs shouldn't really count. But I'll make an exception for truly horrid performers; let's call it the "Marangi Rule." (3) it really has to be someone who stood out for being (a) out of shape/lazy or (b) an arrogant jerk with respect to fans and teammates. Not just some Erik Pears or Vlad Ducasse, who just sucked but who (to my memory) were never this type of guy. But the Marangi Rule applies here too. So ... that leaves me with: - Mario Williams. He played hard and well for half of his time here (well, maybe a third). But the huge, huge salary and lackluster effort overcomes the positive moments. - Ronnie Harmon. Scores so high on 3(b) that it obliterates the good things he did. - Aaron Maybin. Same as Harmon but high (literally) on the lazy side. - Fumblin' Wayne Patrick. OK, that's a blast from the past. But he was my first ever least favorite Bill. A fullback who couldn't seem to hang onto the ball, yet stuck with the Bills for 5 full seasons. Jim Braxton finally came along to put him out of his misery. - And, of course ... Gary Marangi Edited February 1, 2020 by The Frankish Reich
HalftimeAdjustment Posted February 1, 2020 Posted February 1, 2020 My least favorite Bill of all time? Belichick. Parcells 2nd. 1 3 1
Mikie2times Posted February 1, 2020 Posted February 1, 2020 (edited) On 1/30/2020 at 4:57 AM, FireChans said: Their games couldn’t be more different. Or their sizes. Or anything, really. Cole is 5’8. Hogan is 5 inches taller. Cole is a slot player. Hogan almost exclusively plays the boundary. Both are white as the OP indicates while simultaneously implying that a black WR just has to drop his Johnson on the field and that will get results (Nothing to see here) Edited February 1, 2020 by KzooMike
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