Utah John Posted January 30, 2020 Posted January 30, 2020 What does it mean that the stadium should be competitive with others? New Era Field is the only NFL stadium in WNY. There's no competition at all.
K-9 Posted January 30, 2020 Posted January 30, 2020 7 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: You may be misinterpreting my post, which is likely my fault for how I worded it. I would genuinely like to know what leverage Goodell and the other owners have to force the Pegulas to either extort taxpayer dollars to build a new stadium or move the team? According to the chart that was posted elsewhere the Bills have a very good overall attendance, while a number of teams in bigger markets have a poor one. I think Goodell's chances of flying are overall better than his chances of getting the Toronto taxpayers to pony up for a new state of the art American Football stadium, but perhaps that's just me. And I wouldn't advise Goodell to jump out a window and flap his arms-er wings. Gums. Goodell flaps his gums. He’s an elite gum flapper.
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted January 30, 2020 Posted January 30, 2020 Is this a ***** Super Bowl or a Buffalo roast. This has to be staged. 2
RochesterRob Posted January 30, 2020 Posted January 30, 2020 1 hour ago, Buffalo619 said: No public funding?? No PSLs?? How will the Bills survive? Pegula can’t be expected to pay for it all. We need the state to make a large investment in our future, or there will be none. For the privilege of seeing my Bills... What ever delegation that exists in Erie County relative to the state capitol needs to be working with delegations from other regional centers such as Monroe (Rochester) and Onondaga (Syracuse) Counties. Right now I think that Erie County by itself in terms of a new home for the Bills is a voice crying out unheard in the middle of a very vast wilderness. I remember back on the old BBMB there was talk of maybe having a regional stadium authority where other counties would kick in but I think that is just wishful thinking. Nearly all the other counties clear down to Seneca Lake which is the eastern boundary of WNY by most definitions have their own problems and probably would not be good for a nickel collectively to kick in. Right now I am having a very difficult time seeing a path for this to get done in terms of state politics. People need to get used to the idea of maybe a 250-300 million dollar upgrade at OP where the Pegula's pickup 2/3 of the cost with Erie County picking up a quarter and at that point maybe Governor Andy jumps in with the balance because he is up for re-election.
purple haze Posted January 30, 2020 Posted January 30, 2020 8 hours ago, whatdrought said: I sometimes seriously wonder why the NFL owners put up with this clown? He's been absolutely terrible. From officiating, to player discipline, to the various scandals and other such things. How can they take him seriously? He works for them and speaks the language they want spoken. He's not out here making decisions on his own. I still don't dig him, but the owners are probably behind this yearly Bills need a stadium resolution talk.
YoloinOhio Posted January 30, 2020 Author Posted January 30, 2020 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said: Is this a ***** Super Bowl or a Buffalo roast. This has to be staged. Hilarious. I thought the same thing. Edited January 30, 2020 by YoloinOhio 1
major Posted January 30, 2020 Posted January 30, 2020 This douche/Goodell covered up CTE findings early on, created the horrible Thursday night football experiment, destroyed evidence of the pats cheating scandal-multiple times, gets 9 out of 10 disciplinary decisions wrong (ray rice), made the military pay for their own in game tributes, won’t give the proper amount of $ to retired players who have significant health issues, etc... I want to go up to Roger and use the following Don Rickles line: “why don’t you get a horse, live in the mountains, and stop bothering people” 1
purple haze Posted January 30, 2020 Posted January 30, 2020 6 hours ago, batmanfreek said: Because people who go to games in Buffalo aren’t dropping a lot of money on tickets. I believe they are still one if not the cheapest tickets in the league. Fans won’t pay more for tickets if nothing is improved. on the flip side even with a new stadium those same fans won’t pay higher ticket prices. You may get a different type of fan showing up to the game if ticket prices go up. If prices go up people will still pay up. But as you said, there might be some different type of fans, which might be what they want anyway. Either way, the stadium won't be empty.
purple haze Posted January 30, 2020 Posted January 30, 2020 1 hour ago, atlbillsfan1975 said: Actually they aren’t a bottom market team. Look I get it if you are a little bit older and afraid of how the stadium will impact your taxes. I have encountered a lot of older Buffalo residents like yourself. Buffalo can’t get back to being a great city by living in fear or the past. Man can you say it louder for people in the back? There will be a new stadium, probably downtown. Maybe they decide on a retrofit at New Era, but with their other holdings downtown, it makes sense for the Pegula's to move the stadium downtown. They can keep the training/practice facilities in OP since that is where training camp will probably be. State could knock the upper decks off New Era and use it for training camp/ECC/HS games, etc. How it will impact taxes is a non-factor. Do most people know the exact cost added to their taxes if a new stadium is built? It seems the tax complaint is mainly one of principal. And I get it. These billionaires are getting over and no citizen should have to lose anything. But that's the game of pro sports. 1
RochesterRob Posted January 30, 2020 Posted January 30, 2020 47 minutes ago, purple haze said: Man can you say it louder for people in the back? There will be a new stadium, probably downtown. Maybe they decide on a retrofit at New Era, but with their other holdings downtown, it makes sense for the Pegula's to move the stadium downtown. They can keep the training/practice facilities in OP since that is where training camp will probably be. State could knock the upper decks off New Era and use it for training camp/ECC/HS games, etc. How it will impact taxes is a non-factor. Do most people know the exact cost added to their taxes if a new stadium is built? It seems the tax complaint is mainly one of principal. And I get it. These billionaires are getting over and no citizen should have to lose anything. But that's the game of pro sports. Nothing is a certainty at this point in time. A clean slate/virgin site type proposal in the middle of nowhere in Erie County is bound to be cheaper than something in the city of Buffalo that needs to be signed off on by a Mayor, city council, and citizen groups. Never mind eminent domain, demolition of abandon homes, disposal of hazardous materials such as lead paint and asbestos, environmental impact surveys, and other studies to name a few problems. Lawsuits.
1ManRaid Posted January 30, 2020 Posted January 30, 2020 9 hours ago, GG said: Bills are at or near the bottom of the revenue sharing pie, and the opposing teams get far less from their 40% of gate receipts in Orchard Park than they do in other stadiums. This is not coming from Roger, but from other owners. I was wondering how the hell a stadium would be "competitive". Are they pushing for PSLs or something? How do you drastically bump stadium revenue without pricing out the average family? We could get priced out of the market with these mega stadiums being built and throwing off the average of "acceptable".
Saxum Posted January 30, 2020 Posted January 30, 2020 3 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: One could, what's your answer to that question? Maybe he has incentive clauses in his contract for every new stadium he gets built. 1
Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 30, 2020 Posted January 30, 2020 11 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: FU Roger you are nothing but a tyrant who needs to be deposed. The gains the NFL has made isnt because of you its because we love football. Cant wait till your sorry ass is replaced. we dont need your shiny new money guzzler that isnt going to bring in more money but will cost us more. 11 hours ago, Aussie Joe said: Fix it or keep getting screwed by the refs in big games.. there's ways around that. Bills Mafia ?
Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 30, 2020 Posted January 30, 2020 11 hours ago, shane nelson said: We may not like it, but the only way to ensure the Bills are here or the next 50 years is a new stadium or massive renovations to New Ear Field, like those in GB or KC. If a deal is done this year, next year or 5 years it does not matter, it just needs to be done. not directed at you but what is wrong with the current stadium, beer cost ten bucks a glass, what else do they want??
Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 30, 2020 Posted January 30, 2020 11 hours ago, BillsVet said: I love how Goodell talks about how the State and Local Governments have to spend taxpayer dollars to prop up a franchise in his corporation. Especially when cost benefit analyses have demonstrated time and again that building new stadiums does little if anything for the local and state economy. The sad thing about Goodell is that, like his predecessors he'll be in the HOF. He's a weak man who masquerades around as the leader of a sports league that could have grown without him. Amen brother !!
Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 30, 2020 Posted January 30, 2020 (edited) 11 hours ago, GG said: Bills are at or near the bottom of the revenue sharing pie, and the opposing teams get far less from their 40% of gate receipts in Orchard Park than they do in other stadiums. This is not coming from Roger, but from other owners. how do the owners think they are going to get more money?? How much are they getting out of Greenbays and KC stadiums that are old as hell ?? Edited January 30, 2020 by Buffalo Barbarian
Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 30, 2020 Posted January 30, 2020 11 hours ago, GG said: Actually, they can do a lot about it if there are only 1 or 2 franchises that aren't pulling their weight, such as changing the revenue sharing formulas (Each team gets to keep 100% of their gate receipts). Bills would be toast competitively. how does a new stadium generate more money than the old one?? If its more expensive for fans less people will go cutting the revenues they thought they would reap. 11 hours ago, oldmanfan said: As long as Kim Pegula is an owner of the Bills, they aren't moving. My bet is they build a new stadium downtown somewhere. Why Kim?
oldmanfan Posted January 30, 2020 Posted January 30, 2020 32 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: how does a new stadium generate more money than the old one?? If its more expensive for fans less people will go cutting the revenues they thought they would reap. Why Kim? She grew up in WNY.
Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 30, 2020 Posted January 30, 2020 2 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: She grew up in WNY. Maybe, so did a lot of people who want a new stadium. I would need to see something from her hinting that way.
GreggTX Posted January 30, 2020 Posted January 30, 2020 It's absolutely ridiculous the way the NFL says these cities "have to" have a "competitive" stadium. There's nothing wrong with the one we have now. Didn't we just spend millions on an upgrade too? How many upgrades before that? You'd think these stadiums are somehow broken after just a few years of use and then the taxpayers are on the hook for absurd amounts of money that would be better spent on teachers' salaries and pensions, healthcare, etc, etc, etc. Even more amazing is the way the fans just blindly repeat this mantra without ever questioning it. It's like our wars. When we go to attack a country that never, ever attacked us, no one asks how we're going to pay all those trillions of dollars it will eventually cost us, but a few bucks for clean drinking water or healthcare and everyone demands that we account for every penny before we even consider it. SMH.
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