Doc Brown Posted January 29, 2020 Posted January 29, 2020 9 minutes ago, whatdrought said: I sometimes seriously wonder why the NFL owners put up with this clown? He's been absolutely terrible. From officiating, to player discipline, to the various scandals and other such things. How can they take him seriously? He's their lapdog who takes all the criticism so they don't have to. He's also made them a lot of money since he took over as tv revenue has exploded. 3
Lurker Posted January 29, 2020 Posted January 29, 2020 12 minutes ago, GG said: Bills are at or near the bottom of the revenue sharing pie, and the opposing teams get far less from their 40% of gate receipts in Orchard Park than they do in other stadiums. This is not coming from Roger, but from other owners. So? What recourse do the owners have if they don't like it? It's not like they're going to take their ball and go home...
US Egg Posted January 29, 2020 Posted January 29, 2020 14 minutes ago, GG said: Bills are at or near the bottom of the revenue sharing pie, and the opposing teams get far less from their 40% of gate receipts in Orchard Park than they do in other stadiums. This is not coming from Roger, but from other owners. 1
atlbillsfan1975 Posted January 29, 2020 Posted January 29, 2020 It really is time for a new location and new stadium. I know a lot of you guys don’t want that to happen but it needs too. I would love to see a stadium by the waterfront downtown. Near Key Bank Center. I really hope Pegs can get everyone on the same page. 2
GG Posted January 29, 2020 Posted January 29, 2020 3 minutes ago, Lurker said: So? What recourse do the owners have if they don't like it? It's not like they're going to take their ball and go home... Actually, they can do a lot about it if there are only 1 or 2 franchises that aren't pulling their weight, such as changing the revenue sharing formulas (Each team gets to keep 100% of their gate receipts). Bills would be toast competitively. 3
Seasons1992 Posted January 29, 2020 Posted January 29, 2020 (edited) (He's the follower, BTW) Edited January 29, 2020 by Seasons1992
Lurker Posted January 29, 2020 Posted January 29, 2020 (edited) 9 minutes ago, GG said: Actually, they can do a lot about it if there are only 1 or 2 franchises that aren't pulling their weight, such as changing the revenue sharing formulas (Each team gets to keep 100% of their gate receipts). Bills would be toast competitively. The Bills sell plenty of tickets, even if they're lower priced than the NFL average. Visiting teams get paid. Teams like Tampa and Cincinnati OTOH should be more of a concern for the owners than Buffalo... NFL Attendance - 2019 2019 Attendance Home Road Overall RK TEAM GMS TOTAL AVG PCT GMS TOTAL AVG PCT GMS TOTAL AVG PCT 1 Dallas 8 727,432 90,929 90.9 8 561,595 70,199 96.6 16 1,289,027 80,564 93.3 2 NY Jets 8 628,184 78,523 95.2 8 488,527 61,065 87.5 16 1,116,711 69,794 91.6 3 Green Bay 8 622,762 77,845 95.6 8 531,899 66,487 97.2 16 1,154,661 72,166 96.3 4 Denver 8 607,497 75,937 99.8 8 496,694 62,086 96.6 16 1,104,191 69,011 98.3 5 NY Giants 8 597,316 74,664 90.5 8 545,793 68,224 92.2 16 1,143,109 71,444 91.3 6 Kansas City 8 587,723 73,465 96.1 8 528,048 66,006 108.2 16 1,115,771 69,735 101.5 7 New Orleans 8 584,660 73,082 100.1 8 532,397 66,549 95.3 16 1,117,057 69,816 97.8 8 Carolina 8 577,765 72,220 97.9 8 544,568 68,071 96.6 16 1,122,333 70,145 97.3 9 Houston 8 574,345 71,793 99.7 8 501,491 62,686 97.7 16 1,075,836 67,239 98.8 10 Atlanta 8 572,811 71,601 95.5 8 526,652 65,831 96.2 16 1,099,463 68,716 95.8 11 Los Angeles 7 498,605 71,229 92.8 8 565,390 70,673 96.3 15 1,063,995 70,933 94.7 12 Baltimore 8 565,020 70,627 99.5 8 526,343 65,792 94.0 16 1,091,363 68,210 96.8 13 San Francisco 8 562,443 70,305 102.6 8 518,011 64,751 91.3 16 1,080,454 67,528 96.8 14 Philadelphia 8 558,268 69,783 100.1 8 581,257 72,657 93.1 16 1,139,525 71,220 96.4 15 Seattle 8 551,927 68,990 100.4 8 549,722 68,715 97.4 16 1,101,649 68,853 98.8 16 Buffalo 8 550,713 68,839 95.8 8 572,637 71,579 95.3 16 1,123,350 70,209 95.6 17 Cleveland 8 539,448 67,431 100.0 8 535,676 66,959 95.2 16 1,075,124 67,195 97.5 18 Minnesota 8 534,794 66,849 100.3 8 535,231 66,903 95.2 16 1,070,025 66,876 97.7 19 New England 8 526,024 65,753 99.8 8 560,880 70,110 96.8 16 1,086,904 67,931 98.2 20 Washington 8 523,906 65,488 79.9 8 577,560 72,195 94.6 16 1,101,466 68,841 87.0 21 Tennessee 8 516,074 64,509 93.3 8 531,422 66,427 96.4 16 1,047,496 65,468 94.9 22 Jacksonville 8 504,686 63,085 93.0 8 509,989 63,748 92.6 16 1,014,675 63,417 92.8 23 Miami 8 504,540 63,067 97.4 8 561,947 70,243 93.4 16 1,066,487 66,655 95.2 24 Pittsburgh 8 497,896 62,237 91.0 8 488,694 61,086 95.3 16 986,590 61,661 93.1 25 Chicago 8 495,332 61,916 100.7 7 495,357 70,765 95.8 15 990,689 66,045 98.2 26 Detroit 8 490,737 61,342 95.1 8 521,151 65,143 93.3 16 1,011,888 63,243 94.2 27 Arizona 8 490,586 61,323 94.3 8 509,923 63,740 89.2 16 1,000,509 62,531 91.7 28 Indianapolis 8 488,886 61,110 97.0 8 476,163 59,520 91.7 16 965,049 60,315 94.3 29 Oakland 7 367,848 52,549 93.8 8 532,835 66,604 97.7 15 900,683 60,045 96.1 30 Tampa Bay 8 415,189 51,898 79.1 8 533,879 66,734 93.9 16 949,068 59,316 86.8 31 Cincinnati 8 377,432 47,179 72.0 8 530,208 66,276 97.3 16 907,640 56,727 84.9 32 Los Angeles 8 254,007 31,750 117.6 8 506,637 63,329 94.5 16 760,644 47,540 101.1 Edited January 29, 2020 by Lurker 1 1
shane nelson Posted January 29, 2020 Posted January 29, 2020 37 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: that cowboys game on thanksgiving was in a pretty new stadium, right? Jus saying. arrowhead opened in 1972, right? $375m upgrade investment about 10 years ago. That is also an option for the Bills. But major dollars need to be spent 2
GG Posted January 29, 2020 Posted January 29, 2020 4 minutes ago, Lurker said: The Bills sell plenty of tickets, even if they're lower priced than the NFL average. Visiting teams get paid. Teams like Tampa and Cincinnati OTOH should be more of a concern for the owners than Buffalo... Attendance stats are relatively meaningless when you have the lowest average price per ticket. Other teams get paid in Orchard Park, but nowhere near what they get paid in other stadiums. That's the point. You seem to not like the message that the other owners are sending to Pegulas. That doesn't change the reality that the message has been sent loud and clear, and the other owners can do a lot more to pressure the Buffalo franchise to increase its revenue stream.
MAJBobby Posted January 29, 2020 Posted January 29, 2020 Cannot wait for that nice new Downtown Stadium.
oldmanfan Posted January 29, 2020 Posted January 29, 2020 As long as Kim Pegula is an owner of the Bills, they aren't moving. My bet is they build a new stadium downtown somewhere.
4_kidd_4 Posted January 29, 2020 Posted January 29, 2020 (edited) Hey anyone else catch the article last week about Atlanta Falcons tix holders defaulting on millions of dollars in PSLs?? Careful what you ram down people’s throats, Rog. Here it is; https://www.ajc.com/sports/football/defaults-top-million-some-falcons-fans-struggle-with-psls/dlUNjpHXptU5edyPJGKNLM/ Falcons fans have defaulted on more than $32 million worth of personal seat licenses in Mercedes-Benz Stadium, including $7 million in defaults during the 2019 fiscal year, according to the most recent available data. Edited January 29, 2020 by 4_kidd_4 linky link 2 1 1
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 29, 2020 Posted January 29, 2020 3 minutes ago, GG said: Attendance stats are relatively meaningless when you have the lowest average price per ticket. Other teams get paid in Orchard Park, but nowhere near what they get paid in other stadiums. That's the point. You seem to not like the message that the other owners are sending to Pegulas. That doesn't change the reality that the message has been sent loud and clear, and the other owners can do a lot more to pressure the Buffalo franchise to increase its revenue stream. That's pretty much what I'm asking: what are the other owners doing to pressure the Buffalo Bills to push for a new stadium? Keep in mind revenue stream is more than tickets and gameday concessions, it includes merchandise etc 1
machine gun kelly Posted January 29, 2020 Posted January 29, 2020 44 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: The Bills have to fix their stadium to his standards or what? He'll force us to move to Toronto? He'll stop scheduling home games? He'll hold his face until he turns blue? I mean, what happens if the Bills extend their current lease at New Era with only modest renovations? Education please Exactly, some people don’t seem to realize, he has zero power over the Pegulas. They will do what they want for their team! He reports to the owners, not the other way around. He is nothing more than an employee who reports to his stockholders ( the owners). No matter how many other owners want the Pegulas to have a new stadium built, it’s their $ and they can stick to a 2022 or 2023 plan which is almost certain. Last time I checked Lambaugh, Soldier, and Arrowhead did nothing but upgrade their stadiums and there wasn’t a damn thing ( sorry mods) Goodell can do about it. We will most likely have a new stadium after the contract is up as this conversation has been discussed so many times, but no one can force them to move, build a stadium and break a state contract, or anything else for that matter. It’s really that simple. As many of us has said, we probably will have a Lincoln type stadium from Indy downtown around the first ward near the B News bld. It makes the most sense as the land should be economical, really close to everything else the Pegulas are doing downtown, and make it a really nice complex.
nucci Posted January 29, 2020 Posted January 29, 2020 41 minutes ago, whatdrought said: I sometimes seriously wonder why the NFL owners put up with this clown? He's been absolutely terrible. From officiating, to player discipline, to the various scandals and other such things. How can they take him seriously? $$$$$
GG Posted January 29, 2020 Posted January 29, 2020 1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: That's pretty much what I'm asking: what are the other owners doing to pressure the Buffalo Bills to push for a new stadium? Keep in mind revenue stream is more than tickets and gameday concessions, it includes merchandise etc There was less than subtle pressure on the lower revenue teams from Jerruh & Kraft in previous CBA discussions. They certainly hold more sway in owners' meetings and can force major changes to the overall revenue sharing formulas, which will kill Bufalo & Cincy. Remember, last time the big guys didn't like the formula at all. Pegulas have very little negotiating leverage. 1
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 29, 2020 Posted January 29, 2020 51 minutes ago, CoudyBills said: Well in that case, let's get some high level meetings going. But what sort of car do we drive? 2
BillsVet Posted January 29, 2020 Posted January 29, 2020 32 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: He's their lapdog who takes all the criticism so they don't have to. He's also made them a lot of money since he took over as tv revenue has exploded. At one time, professional sports franchise commissioners were the intermediary between the players and owners. Over the years their selection by the owners has largely made them, as you note, the owner's representative. The CBA demands that the league, i.e. the commish and owners, drive efforts to increase revenue. And that means stadiums get built as quickly as possible. Doing that now requires public financing, which is a rip-off of taxpayers.
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 29, 2020 Posted January 29, 2020 4 minutes ago, GG said: There was less than subtle pressure on the lower revenue teams from Jerruh & Kraft in previous CBA discussions. They certainly hold more sway in owners' meetings and can force major changes to the overall revenue sharing formulas, which will kill Bufalo & Cincy. Remember, last time the big guys didn't like the formula at all. Pegulas have very little negotiating leverage. So what are the actual revenue streams of the different teams? What is considered part of the revenue stream?
Coach Tuesday Posted January 29, 2020 Posted January 29, 2020 1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: The Bills have to fix their stadium to his standards or what? He'll force us to move to Toronto? He'll stop scheduling home games? He'll hold his face until he turns blue? I mean, what happens if the Bills extend their current lease at New Era with only modest renovations? Education please In the same PC he answered a question about Toronto by saying that he's open to the idea of a Toronto team but that they'd need a state-of-the-art stadium. So there's your "threat" right there - as I read it, he's threatening WNY/the Pegulas with an overture to Toronto if they don't improve their stadium situation. Goodell is just doing his job as a fig leaf for The Lucky Sperm Club. That said, I despise the man.
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