Gugny Posted January 28, 2020 Posted January 28, 2020 2 hours ago, CorkScrewHill said: I was expecting 10 pages of "Josh Allen Stinks. Josh Allen stinks. Josh Allen stinks" .... Way to go PFF and Chris Collinsworth you are less predictable than I would have expected. Patience …………….. 1
CincyBillsFan Posted January 28, 2020 Posted January 28, 2020 49 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said: His fumbling was borderline comical last year. In the playoff game he very easily could have had three fumbles. One he did lose (which arguably changed the outcome of the game, changed the momentum), one knocked out of bounds by Knox and one that was luckily overturned. I guess this proves that you can argue about anything! The Allen fumble did not change the outcome of the game as it only led to 3 points. If you want to point fingers at what really changed the outcome of this game here's two that were far more important then Allen's fumble: * the inability of Brown & Duke to make plays on well thrown Allen passes in the 1st half that would have given us two TD's instead of FG's. * after the Bills went up 16 - 0 the defense allowed the Texans to go on an 80 yard drive to score a TD and then allowed Houston to make the 2 point conversion. This is what got the crowd back into the game and gave the Texans hope. Suddenly it was only a one score game. Allowing the 2 point conversion was HUGE because had they not made it the Bills would have still led by 2 scores.
Reed83HOF Posted January 28, 2020 Posted January 28, 2020 2 hours ago, JoPoy88 said: That drop % for Knox is disgusting. Watching him make those drops was even worse
Formerly Allan in MD Posted January 28, 2020 Posted January 28, 2020 Report apparently has nothing to say about ball protection. It should and we should all be concerned.
CorkScrewHill Posted January 28, 2020 Posted January 28, 2020 1 hour ago, RoyBatty is alive said: Because everyone here thinks they are smarter and have better data than professionals who do it for a lving. Also the fact that Bills aren't always rated far above average if not near the top is another reason. I agree we should trust the professionals. Just to be clear you mean professionals unlike his teammates who swear by him .. or his coaches : management who you know draft and coach players for a living. You are talking about professionals like Chris Collinsworth who has never practiced with him, never coached but rather owns a company that manipulates data to present in pretty slides that people click on and trust because they are “professionals”. SMH 1 1
Captain Hindsight Posted January 28, 2020 Posted January 28, 2020 2 hours ago, MJS said: So if he showed so many improvements, why did they grade him so poorly? Have you seen this guy Duck Hodges? Hard to overcome a talent like that 1
CincyBillsFan Posted January 28, 2020 Posted January 28, 2020 1 minute ago, Formerly Allan in MD said: Report apparently has nothing to say about ball protection. It should and we should all be concerned. Why? Allen was better then a lot of other young QB's at ball protection. He only threw 9 inceptions which is decent and he lost what 5 fumbles? Given how much he ran with the ball he should be more vulnerable then most QB's to fumbling. That's the price you pay for all those 3rd down conversions he makes running the ball. And Allen wasn't as bad as the Giants Jones or the Panthers Allen when it came to losing fumbles in the pocket. Those 2 fumbled if they felt the breath of a DE on their neck. Bottom line is that Allen was responsible for 30 TD's and 14 TO's over the course of the season. That hardly gives me reason to be concerned. Sure I would like to see his TO's cut in half to 7 but 14 is in no way extreme for a 2nd yer QB.
RoyBatty is alive Posted January 28, 2020 Posted January 28, 2020 1 hour ago, Lurker said: Thanks for the good laugh. A bunch of s? That's essentially what PFF is. It's not rocket surgery or quantum physics. smh... Who ever said footbal was rocket science, not me. Arbitraty grades by any external system will be flawed as it is close to impossible to know what players real assignemnt was, eg did he run the correct route, was he assigned a specific gap, did he block the wrong person, was it supposed to be abcak should pass, was it supposed to go over his left not right shoulder etc etc bu overall i would prefer a bunch of "20-somethings watching All-22 video" as opposed to the highly biased "experts" (or at least 95% of them) here at TBD. 1
RoyBatty is alive Posted January 28, 2020 Posted January 28, 2020 58 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: You're batting 1000 today. The one "fumble" was an attempted lateral, and yes that was bad, but it wasn't a comical fumble, it was a bad decision trying to make a play. Different cause, different cure. The ball that Allen lost was comical, but not on Allen - that was a textbook QB ball stripping move. Hit the ball hard on the opposite side and opposite end from the QB's hand when he's holding it in a throwing grip and it comes out. The comical aspect is that Allen wasn't expecting it because he had 3 (3) of his guys including his LT, between Mercilus and him. Three offensive blockers, one defender, he should not be sniffing our QB much less hitting him. The overturned "down by contact" fumble is an area where Allen undeniably still needs to improve - when he is extending the ball trying for a 1st down it is vulnerable (on any player). I've heard that Belicheck coaches NE players to NOT extend the ball for this reason, because it is only a matter of time before there isn't enough evidence to overturn and we lose those. Gee a little testy here, 1) It doesnt matter what his intention was, he is damn lucky Knox had to jump at it to know it out of bounds, any non-biased person would label it a fumble but if it makes you fel better to label a attempted lateral, go for it. 2) It was comical, he holds the ball like a loaf of bread and that is what happend on that play, call it a textbook strip if you want. Point being Allen does have a serious fumbling issue, you can either accept it our rationalize each one away, 16 fumbles during the regular season, 16 my friend. 15 minutes ago, CorkScrewHill said: I agree we should trust the professionals. Just to be clear you mean professionals unlike his teammates who swear by him .. or his coaches : management who you know draft and coach players for a living. You are talking about professionals like Chris Collinsworth who has never practiced with him, never coached but rather owns a company that manipulates data to present in pretty slides that people click on and trust because they are “professionals”. SMH Oh I agree, as i posted a few back certainly Eric Wood would know what his reall assigment so no doubt he proabaly called what PFF does garbage because he knows what he was supposed to to, PFF has to make an educated guess as would any indenepent ramking system...or any random fan here at TBD. 51 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said: I guess this proves that you can argue about anything! The Allen fumble did not change the outcome of the game as it only led to 3 points. If you want to point fingers at what really changed the outcome of this game here's two that were far more important then Allen's fumble: * the inability of Brown & Duke to make plays on well thrown Allen passes in the 1st half that would have given us two TD's instead of FG's. * after the Bills went up 16 - 0 the defense allowed the Texans to go on an 80 yard drive to score a TD and then allowed Houston to make the 2 point conversion. This is what got the crowd back into the game and gave the Texans hope. Suddenly it was only a one score game. Allowing the 2 point conversion was HUGE because had they not made it the Bills would have still led by 2 scores. 3 points hmm, didnt we go into overtime, were we not a r oll, could have put the game out of reach.
RoyBatty is alive Posted January 28, 2020 Posted January 28, 2020 1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Yeah, right, that must be the reason. When Eric Wood gives an interview and talks about PFF grades and how they don't jibe with reality and rot players socks out for that reason, same goes for him. As i posted a few back certainly Eric Wood would know what his reall assigment so no doubt he proabaly called what PFF does garbage because he knows what he was supposed to to, PFF has to make an educated guess as would any indenepent raNking system...or any random fan here at TBD. Actually i find PFF enterntaining and certain of highe r credibility than 95% of the homer comments here. I for one dont get all worked up in a fr=enzy because like so many because they might rank a Bil below their expectations. 1
Motor26 Posted January 28, 2020 Posted January 28, 2020 36 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said: Why? Allen was better then a lot of other young QB's at ball protection. He only threw 9 inceptions which is decent and he lost what 5 fumbles? Given how much he ran with the ball he should be more vulnerable then most QB's to fumbling. That's the price you pay for all those 3rd down conversions he makes running the ball. And Allen wasn't as bad as the Giants Jones or the Panthers Allen when it came to losing fumbles in the pocket. Those 2 fumbled if they felt the breath of a DE on their neck. Bottom line is that Allen was responsible for 30 TD's and 14 TO's over the course of the season. That hardly gives me reason to be concerned. Sure I would like to see his TO's cut in half to 7 but 14 is in no way extreme for a 2nd yer QB. There were many times he came close to losing fumbles, or generally carried the ball in a way it could be easily knocked away.
BarleyNY Posted January 28, 2020 Posted January 28, 2020 2 hours ago, yungmack said: So is Singletary's. Many here have been dead set on the Bills acquiring a big RB. I think that has been fueled by Derrick Henry’s success. (And who wouldn’t want a Derrick Henry in their team?) But I’d rather they focus on finding a RB who can be effective in the passing game as well as rushing game. It’s a missing facet of the offense now. Plus it could add a wrinkle to the offense with both that player and Singletary on the field at the same time.
MJS Posted January 28, 2020 Posted January 28, 2020 44 minutes ago, Captain Hindsight said: Have you seen this guy Duck Hodges? Hard to overcome a talent like that That's what I'm talking about. Considerably worse QB's receive better grades than Allen.
NewEra Posted January 28, 2020 Posted January 28, 2020 If I’m Knox, I’m following josh allen around all offseason and trying to catch some passes everyday.
C.Biscuit97 Posted January 28, 2020 Posted January 28, 2020 All everyone does is complain about PFF yet you can’t stop commenting in their threads. 4 minutes ago, MJS said: That's what I'm talking about. Considerably worse QB's receive better grades than Allen. Honest question because I don’t study them too closely but what qbs are you talking about? 1
GreggTX Posted January 28, 2020 Posted January 28, 2020 Sounds like PFF is spot on here. One other thought: I'd like to see more of Tom Sweeney in 2020. 1
MJS Posted January 28, 2020 Posted January 28, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: All everyone does is complain about PFF yet you can’t stop commenting in their threads. Honest question because I don’t study them too closely but what qbs are you talking about? Kyler Murray, Daniel Jones, Andy Dalton, Joe Flacco, Jameis Winston, Gardner Minshew, Baker Mayfield, and Ryan Fitzpatrick. Oh, and the aforementioned Duck Hodges. Edited January 28, 2020 by MJS
C.Biscuit97 Posted January 28, 2020 Posted January 28, 2020 4 minutes ago, MJS said: Kyler Murray, Daniel Jones, Andy Dalton, Joe Flacco, Jameis Winston, Gardner Minshew, Baker Mayfield, and Ryan Fitzpatrick. Oh, and the aforementioned Duck Hodges. Is this on a game by game basis or you talking about the whole year?
MJS Posted January 28, 2020 Posted January 28, 2020 1 minute ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Is this on a game by game basis or you talking about the whole year? Those are just ranked ahead of Josh Allen on their end of season QB rankings. Also, Tannehill is ranked 4th overall by them. But he had a pretty nice run.
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 28, 2020 Posted January 28, 2020 9 minutes ago, GreggTX said: Sounds like PFF is spot on here. One other thought: I'd like to see more of Tom Sweeney in 2020. You may get your wish. One of McBeane - either Beane or McDermott - commented that it was a difficult call every week whether Sweeney would be active. So if he has a good off season... As far as QB rankings being spot on, see MJS post about QB ranked above him. All those pass the "eyeball and end results" test for you?
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