JustWinPlease Posted January 27, 2020 Posted January 27, 2020 1 minute ago, MAJBobby said: there are a bunch. Depends what round you really want to take a RB. I like the kid from LSU in the 3rd or Eno Benjamin in the 3rd 3rd or 4th round seems about right. I'll check them out, thank you.
MAJBobby Posted January 27, 2020 Author Posted January 27, 2020 Just now, JustWinPlease said: 3rd or 4th round seems about right. I'll check them out, thank you. If Dobbins is there in the 2nd I think the value is just to much to pass (though I hate taking RBs in 1st or 2nd). There are more check my RB Primer I have the names in Tiers (based on my early grades)
JustWinPlease Posted January 27, 2020 Posted January 27, 2020 Just now, MAJBobby said: If Dobbins is there in the 2nd I think the value is just to much to pass (though I hate taking RBs in 1st or 2nd). There are more check my RB Primer I have the names in Tiers (based on my early grades) How do I find that?
MAJBobby Posted January 27, 2020 Author Posted January 27, 2020 1 minute ago, JustWinPlease said: How do I find that? Last one I did. It is secondary but all others linked. Caveat though this is before declaring deadline so some like the Bama Kid and Clemson Kid are going back to school. 1
colin Posted January 27, 2020 Posted January 27, 2020 i know someone tried to talk me down, but i think shennault is the next TO.
billykay Posted January 27, 2020 Posted January 27, 2020 3 hours ago, matter2003 said: I really really like what I am reading and the highlights I have seen of Shenault...he is big, strong, fast and quick and can be used in so many ways. Outside, Slot, out of the backfield, etc...I think he would be a great fit as an almost X-factor in our offense. And he has a cool ass name hahaha Why isn't he projected to go before we pick? Are there any negatives?
DJB Posted January 27, 2020 Posted January 27, 2020 Problem with Shenault is he isn't a great WR. Hes a good WR who is also good at playing RB. There are much better pure WR in this draft and I think we need to target a pure WR and not a gadget guy like Shenault
MAJBobby Posted January 27, 2020 Author Posted January 27, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, billykay said: Why isn't he projected to go before we pick? Are there any negatives? He was a jack of all trades in CO. So that hurt his technique development as a WR and has a raw Route Tree. Also there are questions about his long speed. 18 minutes ago, DJB said: Problem with Shenault is he isn't a great WR. Hes a good WR who is also good at playing RB. There are much better pure WR in this draft and I think we need to target a pure WR and not a gadget guy like Shenault Who? Easy to say Pure WRs at 22 without naming names Edited January 27, 2020 by MAJBobby
fansince88 Posted January 28, 2020 Posted January 28, 2020 (edited) Great read from Dean as always. Thanks for sharing. Edited January 28, 2020 by fansince88
TigerJ Posted January 28, 2020 Posted January 28, 2020 4 hours ago, Buffalo716 said: He's really not as fast as some people are making him to be He isn't slow but he isn't an NFL burner There are lots more polished pure WRs in the class. I think he falls down the board a bit I've seen opinions among national observers that suggest Shenault is on the raw side. What they like is his versatility. I'm assume the combine will help settle the issue of speed.
BADOLBILZ Posted January 28, 2020 Posted January 28, 2020 30 minutes ago, H2o said: Shenault = Cordarrelle Patterson 2.0 Yeah and it's not like people can't go and look at Patterson highlights from Tennessee on Youtube..............it's all the same stuff as Shenault...........except of course Patterson is a bit bigger and it was all done against SEC defenses. 1 hour ago, MAJBobby said: He was a jack of all trades in CO. So that hurt his technique development as a WR and has a raw Route Tree. Also there are questions about his long speed. Who? Easy to say Pure WRs at 22 without naming names The deepest WR draft in history and you want to pick a guy with no projectable WR tape in round 1? And comp him to DK Metcalf? Two totally different players.
MAJBobby Posted January 28, 2020 Author Posted January 28, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: Yeah and it's not like people can't go and look at Patterson highlights from Tennessee on Youtube..............it's all the same stuff as Shenault...........except of course Patterson is a bit bigger and it was all done against SEC defenses. The deepest WR draft in history and you want to pick a guy with no projectable WR tape in round 1? And comp him to DK Metcalf? Two totally different players. yes I have him graded as a 1st round prospect. So his value is right in line with our draft position. I compared him based off the raw Route tree. And better than comparing him to a TE or a QB like other have Edited January 28, 2020 by MAJBobby
Buffalo716 Posted January 28, 2020 Posted January 28, 2020 16 minutes ago, TigerJ said: I've seen opinions among national observers that suggest Shenault is on the raw side. What they like is his versatility. I'm assume the combine will help settle the issue of speed. Yea he is versatile but he is no where close to a NFL #1 rn.. he isn't polished at all There are guys who will get better separation and run crisper routes and hand catch the ball He is a great runner once the ball gets in his hand but he isn't an elite reciever at the moment
billsfan89 Posted January 28, 2020 Posted January 28, 2020 2 hours ago, Happy Gilmore said: I like a RT in the second round since there is no way Ford can be handed the RT position. If we take EDGE in rounds 5B and 6B it means Beane will have to buy one in FA. These guys would be depth, like Daryl Johnson last year. I wonder if they are fine with the Ford/Ty combo at RT and will resign Spain and just keep the o-line together (while maybe adding a depth player or two.) I know fans weren't too thrilled with Ford's play and the general consensus is that Ty was decent but an upgrade is desirable. However I think that Ford played better down the stretch after Ty got hurt although he was still a bit up and down. I wonder where they go with the RT and LG position. Dawkins at LT is a lock, Mitch at Center is a lock and Feliciano at RG is a lock but the LG and RT positions are definitely up in the air. They could resign Spain or let Spain walk (save cap space) and kick Cody in at LG and then draft or sign an RT to compete with Ty at RT. Or they could resign Spain and keep things together? I think given the track record of McBeane's drafting they are likely to stick with Ford/Ty at RT and resign Spain. As a fan I am OK with either option. I think the O-line last year was good not great but good and I think Ford could improve enough to help the O-line get better along with the O-line having a year together which will result in better chemistry. But I am never against any attempt to add more to the O-line.
TFBillsfan Posted January 28, 2020 Posted January 28, 2020 The Bills need to add playmakers in FA and thru the draft this season. They have the cap space and draft capital to do it. The roster is solid but in dire need of playmakers. IMO, this is the year to be aggressive! Go get the JAG DE, an experienced taller WR, add depth and resign Shaq, Spain and key players. The OL “should” be better in their second year together. WR, CB, and power RB In the draft. If Josh is the franchise QB for the future, you have two years to be aggressive before his contract comes up.
Happy Posted January 28, 2020 Posted January 28, 2020 1 hour ago, billsfan89 said: I wonder if they are fine with the Ford/Ty combo at RT and will resign Spain and just keep the o-line together (while maybe adding a depth player or two.) I know fans weren't too thrilled with Ford's play and the general consensus is that Ty was decent but an upgrade is desirable. However I think that Ford played better down the stretch after Ty got hurt although he was still a bit up and down. I wonder where they go with the RT and LG position. Dawkins at LT is a lock, Mitch at Center is a lock and Feliciano at RG is a lock but the LG and RT positions are definitely up in the air. They could resign Spain or let Spain walk (save cap space) and kick Cody in at LG and then draft or sign an RT to compete with Ty at RT. Or they could resign Spain and keep things together? I think given the track record of McBeane's drafting they are likely to stick with Ford/Ty at RT and resign Spain. As a fan I am OK with either option. I think the O-line last year was good not great but good and I think Ford could improve enough to help the O-line get better along with the O-line having a year together which will result in better chemistry. But I am never against any attempt to add more to the O-line. I think the problem with Ty is that he will be 34 and is an injury concern, especially with his age. RT was a concern, especially with Ty hurt; Ford had his ups and downs. I'm not too sure McD and Beane can go into camp without competition at the RT spot, so I would be very happy with a RT in the second round. I also think they re-sign Spain, since he was solid at LT and cap space isn't a problem. Having a year together will help, but if there are questions at a position, those have to be answered. Maybe Ford shows growth at camp at RT, or maybe he gets moved to LT, in which case Spain or Ford could possibly be trade bait at some point. I'm not sure if the problems on the line were the line trying to gel, experience (Dawkins and Ford) at the tackle positions, or blocking scheme. Whatever it was, that has to get fixed.
BADOLBILZ Posted January 28, 2020 Posted January 28, 2020 1 hour ago, MAJBobby said: yes I have him graded as a 1st round prospect. So his value is right in line with our draft position. I compared him based off the raw Route tree. And better than comparing him to a TE or a QB like other have I won't be surprised if someone takes him in round 1............Patterson went round 1 as well..........but that 2013 class was a very slow group of WR's so he got pushed up. Hopkins, Woods and Allen all came from that class though and the latter two went AFTER Patterson......and they have all made a good living as playmakers by being technicians. That is literally the cautionary tale teams should take into this draft. Don't' take a dude early who hasn't put something that resembles pro wide receiver on tape. Save the shots in the dark for later. Seriously go back and comp the Patterson tape against Shenault. As for the DK Metcalf thing...........DK can get away with a limited route tree because he has a 7' wingspan at TE height and huge hands with unbelievable deep speed. He's a matchup disaster for DB's. Shenault is much smaller and a pretty average catch radius and I doubt he comes close to the speed of Metcalf. Teams passing on Metcalf for two rounds blew my mind. It was like passing on Mahomes...........yeah maybe they turn out to be a bust but there is no way you can expect BETTER physical talent than Mahomes or Metcalf had put on tape or during the draft process. 1
pimaruto Posted January 28, 2020 Posted January 28, 2020 Any thoughts on Pittman? Does his 4 punt blocks intrigue you in any way?
DJB Posted January 28, 2020 Posted January 28, 2020 (edited) 5 hours ago, MAJBobby said: He was a jack of all trades in CO. So that hurt his technique development as a WR and has a raw Route Tree. Also there are questions about his long speed. Who? Easy to say Pure WRs at 22 without naming names I've long questioned Shenault speed. The shuttle, 3 cone and 40 are going to be key. My guess is he runs slow. To me he looks like hes going to be a better fantasy WR then actual NFL WR if that makes sense. I mean obviously Lamb and Jeudy but they aren't in our range. Jefferson and Higgins are more of a pure WR and I prefer them over Shenault too. I also like Aiyuk too Edited January 28, 2020 by DJB 1
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