Reality Check Posted June 23, 2020 Posted June 23, 2020 6 minutes ago, Tiberius said: I know, we do need police reform. If the people could trust the cops there wouldn't be as much crime. You are dumb
Tiberius Posted June 23, 2020 Posted June 23, 2020 Just now, Gary M said: not sure this had anything to do with trust of police. https://fox6now.com/2020/06/21/3-year-old-shot-and-killed-in-chicagos-austin-neighborhood/ If the police don't care... Quote CHICAGO – Late one night two weeks ago, a group of Chicago police officers put up their feet and lounged in the burglarized office of a U.S. congressman, preparing popcorn and coffee for themselves and napping on the couch. U.S. Rep. Bobby Rush, D-Illinois, announced in a press conference Thursday that several officers were caught on videotape in his campaign office on the South Side. The office had been burglarized amid looting earlier in the day, and the videotape of the officers picked up around 1 a.m. on June 1. About 13 officers were lounging in the office, including three supervisors and 10 other officers, for four or five hours, Chicago Mayor Lori Lightfoot said. "They even had the unmitigated gall to go and make coffee for themselves and pop popcorn, my popcorn, in my microwave, while looters were tearing apart businesses within their sight, within their reach," Rush said. "They did not care about what was happening to business people, to this city. They didn’t care. They absolutely didn’t care." https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/06/11/chicago-police-lounged-bobby-rushs-burglarized-office-amid-looting/5343896002/
BillsFanNC Posted June 23, 2020 Posted June 23, 2020 45 minutes ago, spartacus said: so how does the actual test work what happens in the lab after a person is swabbed? Here is a great overview of the workflow in performing RT-PCR for covid19. Watching this should give some appreciation to the specialized equipment and laboratory facilities required to perform PCR. It should also give some insight as to why the previous mantra of "test everyone", while not only pointless from a medical perspective, is not feasible for diagnostics. The logistics of testing 300 million Americans for covid19 is simply not possible in any way that can be clinically relevant. This is my personal aside on the whole testing issue. There are some newer isothermal PCR technologies that companies such as Roche have launched that from what I understand help with workflow and time to result, but testing on a mass scale just wasn't going to happen. Under Obama, under Trump or under the next president. 1
plenzmd1 Posted June 23, 2020 Posted June 23, 2020 Posted this in off the wall too, but first time I have seen spike in cases linked to protests. And to see it reported in LA Times is really something. https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-06-22/for-third-day-in-a-week-l-a-county-reports-more-than-2-000-new-coronavirus-cases
B-Man Posted June 23, 2020 Posted June 23, 2020 (edited) I see the 'children' are all busy posting this morning. Here is an article that requires thinking, so good luck. Coronavirus Cases Are Climbing Again. So What? Issues & Insights, by The Editorial Board Original Article A dozen states have seen record highs in new coronavirus cases, blares the news media, accompanied by dire warnings of a “second wave” of the disease because those awful Republican states reopened too soon. Once again, however, the mainstream press is needlessly scaring the public by hiding the relevant context. One news outlet put it this way: “The U.S. reported more than 33,000 new coronavirus cases on Saturday – the highest total since May 1 – while the surge of infections in several states is outpacing growth in coronavirus testing.” White House economic adviser Larry Kudlow tried to tamp down the panic by declaring that there is no second wave. “There are some hotspots. We’re on it,” he said. Even if there is a “second wave,” it doesn’t mean anything in and of itself. For one thing the Centers for Disease Control has long predicted that coronavirus cases would increase as the country reopened, for the simple reason that the lockdowns were never intended to stop the spread of the disease, only to slow it down. Remember? Flatten the curve? The point of the lockdown was to give the country the time to ramp up testing, look for treatments, and increase medical supplies. By curbing the spread, health officials could more readily identify hotspots and conduct contact tracing, and the health care system could cope with any increase in demand. Which, as Kudlow points out, is exactly what’s happening now. What’s more, the increase in coronavirus cases matters only if they are going up faster than expected, and whether this is resulting in a second wave of deaths. Neither of those appears to be true. Take Georgia, for example. Gov. Brian Kemp took plenty of heat for reopening the state starting in late April. He was gambling with people’s lives, we were told. One epidemiological model predicted shortly after Kemp’s announcement that daily COVID-19 deaths would likely double in Georgia by August. In fact, the number of daily deaths in the state had already peaked on April 16 at 57 and has been steadily declining ever since. The state recorded a total of 37 deaths all last week, and zero on Sunday. The same trend is happening nationally, which has seen the growth rate in the total number of cases steadily outstrip the growth in COVID-19 deaths for many weeks now. So far this month, in fact, the number of new cases on June 21 was 16% higher than on June 1, but the daily number of deaths was 63% lower. Still, won’t the current spike in cases lead to a subsequent spike in deaths? That’s unlikely. As Michael Fumento has repeatedly pointed out in these pages and elsewhere, death rates are higher at the start of an outbreak for the simple reason that the disease claims the low-hanging fruit first. This, he says, is known as Farr’s Law. {snip} Not only has the disease already claimed many of the most vulnerable in this country, there are also millions who now have antibodies. The combination means that even if there are lots of new cases going forward, the death toll is likely to be far less severe than it has been. Just don’t expect anyone in the mainstream press to explain this, because they’re too busy looking for ways to blame a scary “second wave” on President Donald Trump. Edited June 23, 2020 by B-Man 1
BillStime Posted June 23, 2020 Posted June 23, 2020 Trumps confession that he delayed COVID testing? Damning. 1
Gary M Posted June 23, 2020 Posted June 23, 2020 29 minutes ago, Tiberius said: They absolutely didn’t care." Just like the guy that killed the 3 year old
Tiberius Posted June 23, 2020 Posted June 23, 2020 Just now, Gary M said: Just like the guy that killed the 3 year old The cops are just like the criminal? Huh?
Gary M Posted June 23, 2020 Posted June 23, 2020 24 minutes ago, Tiberius said: The cops are just like the criminal? Huh? No they aren't, they don't kill innocent 3 year olds.
FireChans Posted June 23, 2020 Posted June 23, 2020 48 minutes ago, B-Man said: I see the 'children' are all busy posting this morning. Here is an article that requires thinking, so good luck. Coronavirus Cases Are Climbing Again. So What? Issues & Insights, by The Editorial Board Original Article A dozen states have seen record highs in new coronavirus cases, blares the news media, accompanied by dire warnings of a “second wave” of the disease because those awful Republican states reopened too soon. Once again, however, the mainstream press is needlessly scaring the public by hiding the relevant context. One news outlet put it this way: “The U.S. reported more than 33,000 new coronavirus cases on Saturday – the highest total since May 1 – while the surge of infections in several states is outpacing growth in coronavirus testing.” White House economic adviser Larry Kudlow tried to tamp down the panic by declaring that there is no second wave. “There are some hotspots. We’re on it,” he said. Even if there is a “second wave,” it doesn’t mean anything in and of itself. For one thing the Centers for Disease Control has long predicted that coronavirus cases would increase as the country reopened, for the simple reason that the lockdowns were never intended to stop the spread of the disease, only to slow it down. Remember? Flatten the curve? The point of the lockdown was to give the country the time to ramp up testing, look for treatments, and increase medical supplies. By curbing the spread, health officials could more readily identify hotspots and conduct contact tracing, and the health care system could cope with any increase in demand. Which, as Kudlow points out, is exactly what’s happening now. What’s more, the increase in coronavirus cases matters only if they are going up faster than expected, and whether this is resulting in a second wave of deaths. Neither of those appears to be true. Take Georgia, for example. Gov. Brian Kemp took plenty of heat for reopening the state starting in late April. He was gambling with people’s lives, we were told. One epidemiological model predicted shortly after Kemp’s announcement that daily COVID-19 deaths would likely double in Georgia by August. In fact, the number of daily deaths in the state had already peaked on April 16 at 57 and has been steadily declining ever since. The state recorded a total of 37 deaths all last week, and zero on Sunday. The same trend is happening nationally, which has seen the growth rate in the total number of cases steadily outstrip the growth in COVID-19 deaths for many weeks now. So far this month, in fact, the number of new cases on June 21 was 16% higher than on June 1, but the daily number of deaths was 63% lower. Still, won’t the current spike in cases lead to a subsequent spike in deaths? That’s unlikely. As Michael Fumento has repeatedly pointed out in these pages and elsewhere, death rates are higher at the start of an outbreak for the simple reason that the disease claims the low-hanging fruit first. This, he says, is known as Farr’s Law. {snip} Not only has the disease already claimed many of the most vulnerable in this country, there are also millions who now have antibodies. The combination means that even if there are lots of new cases going forward, the death toll is likely to be far less severe than it has been. Just don’t expect anyone in the mainstream press to explain this, because they’re too busy looking for ways to blame a scary “second wave” on President Donald Trump. It’s working. Lots of folks are reacting to the increase in cases pretty dramatically.
Penfield45 Posted June 23, 2020 Posted June 23, 2020 The way America has handled this virus compared to every other 1st world country is truly embarrassing Europe is on the road to total recovery, meanwhile our cases and hospitalizations are surging again. absolute joke from the federal government. 1
Warren Zevon Posted June 23, 2020 Posted June 23, 2020 Just now, Penfield45 said: The way America has handled this virus compared to every other 1st world country is truly embarrassing Europe is on the road to total recovery, meanwhile our cases and hospitalizations are surging again. absolute joke from the federal government. How hard is it to mandate a ***** mask? That's one easy thing Trump could have done a month ago but nope - ***** masks they are fake news. 1
Magox Posted June 23, 2020 Posted June 23, 2020 (edited) Another study that shows that children aren't likely to spread the virus. Quote School kids don’t appear to transmit the new coronavirus to peers or teachers, a French study found, weighing in on the crucial topic of children’s role in propagating Covid-19. Scientists at Institut Pasteur studied 1,340 people in Crepy-en-Valois, a town northeast of Paris that suffered an outbreak in February and March, including 510 students from six primary schools. They found three probable cases among kids that didn’t lead to more infections among other pupils or teachers. The study confirms that children appear to show fewer telltale symptoms than adults and be less contagious, providing a justification for school reopenings in countries from Denmark to Switzerland. The researchers found that 61% of the parents of infected kids had the coronavirus, compared with about 7% of parents of healthy ones, suggesting it was the parents who had infected their offspring rather than the other way around. Yet another study that indicates this to be the case. I remember a certain poster who mocked the suggestion because it came from "some twitter" user. Open up the schools. Edited June 23, 2020 by Magox 2
Warren Zevon Posted June 23, 2020 Posted June 23, 2020 (edited) 1 minute ago, Magox said: Open up the schools It's June 23rd. Let's at least wait until mid-July before we make this decision Edited June 23, 2020 by Warren Zevon
KD in CA Posted June 23, 2020 Posted June 23, 2020 Just now, Magox said: Another study that shows that children aren't likely to spread the virus. Yet another study that indicates this to be the case. I remember a certain poster who mocked the suggestion because it came from "some twitter" user. Open up the schools I believe in science!! No, not that science!! 1
Penfield45 Posted June 23, 2020 Posted June 23, 2020 1 minute ago, Warren Zevon said: How hard is it to mandate a ***** mask? That's one easy thing Trump could have done a month ago but nope - ***** masks they are fake news. not only that. but the cover up attempts in states like George and Florida to hide the real death count. We can't even trust their numbers right now because of it. All run by delusional conservative nut jobs who think this is some political game while peoples lives are at risk. 1
B-Man Posted June 23, 2020 Posted June 23, 2020 Alarmed by spiking coronavirus numbers? Here’s why officials insist they aren’t worried.
Magox Posted June 23, 2020 Posted June 23, 2020 1 minute ago, Warren Zevon said: It's June 23rd. Let's at least wait until mid-July before we make this decision Plenty of data available. Kids are less affected by COVID 19 than the flu. That is a fact, we already know that to be the case. And there are enough studies to suggest that kids transmit the virus less than adults. The only question is how much less. You either believe in the data or you don't. And if you don't, then you are anti science.
Warren Zevon Posted June 23, 2020 Posted June 23, 2020 Just now, Magox said: And there are enough studies to suggest that kids transmit the virus less than adults. The only question is how much less. Can you link to one of the peer reviewed study that breaks downs virus transmission by age group?
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