plenzmd1 Posted June 19, 2020 Posted June 19, 2020 2 hours ago, BillStime said: This is so sad. This poor family. Just heartbreaking. 'There are no words': Family devastated over Covid-19 deaths of mother, 2 daughters @GG - this is why I post stats. I know reality pisses you off but COVID needs to be taken seriously. It's not going away until we get a vaccine. It is indeed tragic, and ones heart goes out to the family. But this is also in the same paper https://buffalonews.com/2020/06/18/buffalo-niagara-regions-private-sector-jobs-fall-21/ 10 minutes ago, shoshin said: 4000 new FL cases today. This is ~700 more than the 3300 record set yesterday. We can keep trying to spin these giant case jumps as good news but they are not. Certainly the best news would be for cases going down, no doubt, and these numbers are troubling. Having said that..i know you dismissed this yesterday but if i understand contact tracing correctly, if it is being done in Florida..we will continue to see higher cases and higher positives based on contact tracing working...am i missing something there? Certainly i have no insight into these numbers you are reporting..but are they concentrated again in the migrant farming community? Mostly younger people ? How many asymptomatic? So much more data needed that just positive test numbers
Kangaxx Posted June 19, 2020 Posted June 19, 2020 https://calmatters.org/commentary/its-time-to-end-the-state-of-emergency-over-covid-19/ “These infection fatality rates are remarkably low and are similar to the fatality rate for the seasonal flu.” “The virus is 10 times less fatal than we first thought.” 1 1
GG Posted June 19, 2020 Posted June 19, 2020 2 hours ago, BillStime said: This is so sad. This poor family. Just heartbreaking. 'There are no words': Family devastated over Covid-19 deaths of mother, 2 daughters @GG - this is why I post stats. I know reality pisses you off but COVID needs to be taken seriously. It's not going away until we get a vaccine. Is that why you were posting stats during NYC peak, when bodies were piling up in Hart Island and UHauls and families couldn't grieve their loved ones, at the same time that King Andrew & Fredo were yukking it up on CNN? Perspective is a wonderful trait to have in a crisis. 1
3rdnlng Posted June 19, 2020 Posted June 19, 2020 17 minutes ago, shoshin said: 4000 new FL cases today. This is ~700 more than the 3300 record set yesterday. We can keep trying to spin these giant case jumps as good news but they are not. What doesn't kill you makes you stronger. Each non lethal case that doesn't use up facilities/equipment for the seriously ill simply helps out the overall situation. 3
Westside Posted June 19, 2020 Posted June 19, 2020 10 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: What doesn't kill you makes you stronger. Each non lethal case that doesn't use up facilities/equipment for the seriously ill simply helps out the overall situation. No! We must keep everything closed if we want to survive this terrible pandemic! Or until November if biden wins, then it will be safe to go out! 1
shoshin Posted June 19, 2020 Posted June 19, 2020 20 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said: Having said that..i know you dismissed this yesterday but if i understand contact tracing correctly, if it is being done in Florida..we will continue to see higher cases and higher positives based on contact tracing working...am i missing something there? It can play a role but we didn't invent contact tracing in the last 7 days. 20 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said: Certainly i have no insight into these numbers you are reporting..but are they concentrated again in the migrant farming community? Mostly younger people ? How many asymptomatic? So much more data needed that just positive test numbers Cases presage hospitalizations and deaths everywhere else. It will be great if FL is the first place that doesn't see that.
spartacus Posted June 19, 2020 Posted June 19, 2020 (edited) 30 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said: It is indeed tragic, and ones heart goes out to the family. But this is also in the same paper https://buffalonews.com/2020/06/18/buffalo-niagara-regions-private-sector-jobs-fall-21/ Certainly the best news would be for cases going down, no doubt, and these numbers are troubling. Having said that..i know you dismissed this yesterday but if i understand contact tracing correctly, if it is being done in Florida..we will continue to see higher cases and higher positives based on contact tracing working...am i missing something there? Certainly i have no insight into these numbers you are reporting..but are they concentrated again in the migrant farming community? Mostly younger people ? How many asymptomatic? So much more data needed that just positive test numbers The governor explained the numbers in a press conf earlier in the week. https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1273256643556454400.html the high numbers are actually very good for achieving herd immunity as almost all of them are not sick Testing has gone up as people go back to work and start to travel 2 examples 1. 2 people at Orlando airport had mild symptoms they broadly tested other travelers in the airport and had 500 positives none of them had symptoms- not sick , not a load on the hospital system 2. migrant workers staying and traveling to the fields in close proximity 1 example - 1 worker had symptoms tested remainder of work group - 99 tested postive - none had symptoms- not sick, not in hospital confirmed that hospitals have plenty of capacity also important that the median age of cases has PLUNGED, from 65 to 37. Young people are not at risk. Daily deaths have trended down for months.. Florida has comparable population as NYS, yet the daily deaths have been around 20 for the whole state for weeks The virus is a non-issue Edited June 19, 2020 by spartacus 1
plenzmd1 Posted June 19, 2020 Posted June 19, 2020 3 minutes ago, shoshin said: It can play a role but we didn't invent contact tracing in the last 7 days. Cases presage hospitalizations and deaths everywhere else. It will be great if FL is the first place that doesn't see that. Not saying all of it can be explained away by that, but i certainly think it can play a role. And yes,hospitalizations and deaths certainly followed case counts before, but my counter to that would be only the very sick were getting tests , and the most vulnerable to the virus. If these positive cases are skewing younger and more asymptomatic, does it not logically follow that while we will see a rise in both, it may not be at the same rate as even a month ago? 1
spartacus Posted June 19, 2020 Posted June 19, 2020 10 minutes ago, shoshin said: It can play a role but we didn't invent contact tracing in the last 7 days. Cases presage hospitalizations and deaths everywhere else. It will be great if FL is the first place that doesn't see that. watch the video from Desantis the opposite of fear porn https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1273256643556454400.html 1
meazza Posted June 19, 2020 Posted June 19, 2020 35 minutes ago, GG said: Is that why you were posting stats during NYC peak, when bodies were piling up in Hart Island and UHauls and families couldn't grieve their loved ones, at the same time that King Andrew & Fredo were yukking it up on CNN? Perspective is a wonderful trait to have in a crisis. Uh oh.
shoshin Posted June 19, 2020 Posted June 19, 2020 (edited) 9 minutes ago, spartacus said: watch the video from Desantis the opposite of fear porn https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1273256643556454400.html I have seen it. And there’s no way that he believes that today with 4000 and that being 20% of the nation’s recent case totals is good news. He was bragging about low case counts for months. If hospitalizations and deaths stay low, it will be great news. We can only wait on the data because he’s not going to take steps to mitigate. Edited June 19, 2020 by shoshin
Reality Check Posted June 19, 2020 Posted June 19, 2020 https://www.zerohedge.com/technology/how-check-if-your-iphone-secretly-coronavirus-tracker 6 minutes ago, meazza said: Uh oh. https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/china-officially-charges-two-detained-canadians-espionage 1
spartacus Posted June 19, 2020 Posted June 19, 2020 14 minutes ago, shoshin said: I have seen it. And there’s no way that he believes that today with 4000 and that being 20% of the nation’s recent case totals is good news. He was bragging about low case counts for months. If hospitalizations and deaths stay low, it will be great news. We can only wait on the data because he’s not going to take steps to mitigate. keep pushing the fear porn The Florida count is proof that this virus as a threat is dead. 4000 cases ( which is hardly high in a state of 20 mil) with hardly any sick people. Herd immunity
SoCal Deek Posted June 19, 2020 Posted June 19, 2020 I’ve got a great idea. Let’s round up all the Florida Covid patients and park them in nursing homes! That’ll work for sure.
shoshin Posted June 19, 2020 Posted June 19, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, spartacus said: keep pushing the fear porn The Florida count is proof that this virus as a threat is dead. 4000 cases ( which is hardly high in a state of 20 mil) with hardly any sick people. Herd immunity AZ just broke their record high set yesterday in a 25+% jump over yesterday’s count. If you don’t like the numbers, don’t read them. When higher cases mean fewer hospitalizations and deaths, that will be a good day. Now we wait and see where the exponential case growth in these states takes us. Are they just finally getting hit or are they showing what happens when you reopen, ie, it takes a while to see the exponential rise in the same way it took some time to go from case 0 in December to 100000 dead by June? Some contribution is young people needing to get tested and some is contact tracing but these were happening before these leaps. We have to wait it out now but I really was hoping the cases would level. Edited June 19, 2020 by shoshin
SoCal Deek Posted June 19, 2020 Posted June 19, 2020 9 minutes ago, shoshin said: AZ just broke their record high set yesterday in a 25+% jump over yesterday’s count. If you don’t like the numbers, don’t read them. When higher cases mean fewer hospitalizations and deaths, that will be a good day. Now we wait and see where the exponential case growth in these states takes us. Are they just finally getting hit or are they showing what happens when you reopen, ie, it takes a while to see the exponential rise in the same way it took some time to go from case 0 in December to 100000 dead by June? Some contribution is young people needing to get tested and some is contact tracing but these were happening before these leaps. We have to wait it out now but I really was hoping the cases would level. Shosin With all the respect I can muster....you simply cannot keep an entire society locked up and shut down forever just to keep a few people from dying! We never have and never will. If the experts haven’t learned more about this virus since January shame on them. I actually think they have and what you’re seeing now is nothing more than the next evolution in this long sad saga. Enough already! 3 1
Magox Posted June 19, 2020 Posted June 19, 2020 47 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said: Not saying all of it can be explained away by that, but i certainly think it can play a role. And yes,hospitalizations and deaths certainly followed case counts before, but my counter to that would be only the very sick were getting tests , and the most vulnerable to the virus. If these positive cases are skewing younger and more asymptomatic, does it not logically follow that while we will see a rise in both, it may not be at the same rate as even a month ago? It certainly is playing a part but isn't painting the entire picture. I think it's coming from a variety of places, contact tracing, some companies paying for employees before they enter into the workplace, prisons, migrant agricultural worker testing etc. I was listening to DeSantis presser today and there were some interesting factual tidbits, such as: 1) That ICU usage has not been increasing and in fact roughly about 50% lower than it's peak. 2) That the majority of deaths now are coming from Long-term facilities. 3) That less people are testing positive in the long-term facilities than before and is trending lower. 4) That overall deaths are still trending lower 5) That ventilator usage is trending lower 6) That 80% of the people who have tested positive over the past week are under the age of 45 7) That hospital bed capacity is 50% higher now than it was in Late March and that is including all the elective surgeries and hospital usage 8 ) That the vast majority of the people who have tested positive are asymptomatic and not people who suspected they had the virus but rather done through targeted sweeps and contact tracing. 10 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: Shosin With all the respect I can muster....you simply cannot keep an entire society locked up and shut down forever just to keep a few people from dying! We never have and never will. If the experts haven’t learned more about this virus since January shame on them. I actually think they have and what you’re seeing now is nothing more than the next evolution in this long sad saga. Enough already! Yeah, This isn't even an option. I only keep up with the data because it's something I enjoy tracking. There is no going back. If there is it will only be on a very limited targeted basis and even then the compliance will be terrible. 1
BillStime Posted June 19, 2020 Posted June 19, 2020 1 hour ago, GG said: Is that why you were posting stats during NYC peak, when bodies were piling up in Hart Island and UHauls and families couldn't grieve their loved ones, at the same time that King Andrew & Fredo were yukking it up on CNN? Perspective is a wonderful trait to have in a crisis. if only Trump did more when he found out in November. So sad.
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