Niagara Bill Posted June 17, 2020 Posted June 17, 2020 4 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: Good for you standing against the protestors. I stand with them, and think they should not be forced to stand down. So, no to troop involvement from NB. I'm assuming you're also a no to the police arresting protestors? Let them protest, but your outrage is noted. If I opened my business in violation of the orders of the state, any state, would you feel the same way? No troops to shut me down, no police to come and fine me or haul me off to the pokey? In other words, outrage aside, good old Niagara B wants a level playing field? Violence is senseless, and most protectors are non violent. Allowing taking over a city is wrong, shooting them us wrong, this is past law and order, like the Boston Tea Party. If you have ever been through a wildcat strike, or such then you know that solutions are the art of the possible not power. If you want to have your society move to the next level then listen and learn, if you want a divorce then attack. It is that simple a starting place. Do not waste your time ridiculing me when you cannot put your position clearly on paper. To divorce or save your relationship.
Magox Posted June 17, 2020 Posted June 17, 2020 Well there it is. Don’t expect the panic porn crowd to stop though Summary. Average age of COVID confirmed infection only 37. Meaning they are at very low risk. Lots less people are in ICU and on ventilators than before. Hospital capacity is nowhere near even in the ball park of being stressed And stop panicking! 6
Niagara Bill Posted June 17, 2020 Posted June 17, 2020 7 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...sad part about it is that with Canadian socialized medicine, you'll have to wait for much needed treatment.....and where the 'eff did I say or imply I was NOT sympathetic with the loss of people?.....hide your ignorance rather than display it.....I buried 5 in 16 months long before Covid-19 (2015-2017)......try that..... Wow, play the socialist card with 117290 deaths. What has that got To do with it. Your citizens are dieing. I am sorry for the deaths in your family. Horrible for sure. Painful. I am not ignorant but you show little sympathy. So much of the postings of Rhino and his friends lack humanity and only are political...these are people dieing and certain politicals only care of re-election. 1968 ...Let's just leave the troups in Vietnam to die for no reason but support the war machine 2020...Let's let 250,000 citizens die so I can be re elected with a good economy I see these 2 items as similar points of history 13 minutes ago, Magox said: Well there it is. Don’t expect the panic porn crowd to stop though Summary. Average age of COVID confirmed infection only 37. Meaning they are at very low risk. Lots less people are in ICU and on ventilators than before. Hospital capacity is nowhere near even in the ball park of being stressed And stop panicking! Makes a little sense, protect the vulnerable and let the less likely to die get it if they wish. Fewer deaths, more illnesses but the economy moves on. There is a touch of logic. Hope the stats are true. 2
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted June 17, 2020 Posted June 17, 2020 14 minutes ago, Niagara Bill said: Violence is senseless, and most protectors are non violent. Allowing taking over a city is wrong, shooting them us wrong, this is past law and order, like the Boston Tea Party. If you have ever been through a wildcat strike, or such then you know that solutions are the art of the possible not power. If you want to have your society move to the next level then listen and learn, if you want a divorce then attack. It is that simple a starting place. Do not waste your time ridiculing me when you cannot put your position clearly on paper. To divorce or save your relationship. You think I was ridiculing you? Pray tell, how? I never mentioned violence or looters, I assumed people of good faith agreed on that. It was a law and order question, and a political question. I'll just mark you down for no citizen should be set upon by police or the military for moving on with life and ignoring lockdown rules. I applaud you. But thank you for the marriage counseling kind sir. 1
Magox Posted June 17, 2020 Posted June 17, 2020 12 minutes ago, Niagara Bill said: Makes a little sense, protect the vulnerable and let the less likely to die get it if they wish. Fewer deaths, more illnesses but the economy moves on. There is a touch of logic. Hope the stats are true. My previous statement to you was unfair. Even though I disagreed with the premise of the argument you made. My apologies 1
shoshin Posted June 17, 2020 Posted June 17, 2020 54 minutes ago, Magox said: Well there it is. Don’t expect the panic porn crowd to stop though Summary. Average age of COVID confirmed infection only 37. Meaning they are at very low risk. Lots less people are in ICU and on ventilators than before. Hospital capacity is nowhere near even in the ball park of being stressed And stop panicking! A good case for a flattened curve.
RocCityRoller Posted June 17, 2020 Posted June 17, 2020 2 hours ago, Magox said: The people that I'm in closest contact don't fit that $2 a day demographic, our lower skilled employees earn around $300 a month. With that said, the medical system in India provides medical care that is extremely cheap. I'm constantly reminded from my good friend and COO of the company that in the US medical procedures that cost $20,000 can be done for about $300 in India and he claims that it's just as good of treatment. Every time we go, which my brother has come along the last couple times as he is employed in the same organization, our friends and coworkers from the offshore team take us out to various temples on our last free day. Temples well older than a thousand years, it's pretty cool thing to see. In regards to the food, surprisingly there is a lot of Persian food that is served. Everything super spicey, everyone eats with their hands. We are told to not eat that much of it as it could affect your stomach, but we lived in South America for a number of years and are used to eating from vendors from the street, so it doesn't really bother us that much. Traffic is terrible everywhere, especially in Bangalore which is the IT capital of the world, the city has rapidly expanded over the past couple decades and was only built for a couple million people which now has exploded to around 10 million now. So congestion is awful, luckily they always put us up in a hotel that is within minutes from the office. Trivandrum is nice, very tropical and up against the beach. Lots of palm trees, sort of reminds me of Florida in regards to the weather and humidity. Much cleaner than Mumbai or Bangalore, which truth be told are not the most aesthetically pleasing cities. I don't think we will make it out there this year due to everything that is going on, which is too bad because A) I love seeing new places and cultures and B) I get out of the house. Hey Magox, Are you Indian, or have Indian relatives, or just have been to India? I got to spend a decent amount of time in India and found it fascinating. PM anytime 1
Magox Posted June 17, 2020 Posted June 17, 2020 1 minute ago, RocCityRoller said: Hey Magox, Are you Indian, or have Indian relatives, or just have been to India? I got to spend a decent amount of time in India and found it fascinating. PM anytime No, I’m not and don’t have any Indian relatives. I’ve visited India for my work over the past few years on a few occasions. I love visiting India, would like to do more sight seeing than I have because we are typically swamped with meetings while we are there but their culture is something else.
RocCityRoller Posted June 17, 2020 Posted June 17, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, Niagara Bill said: None of those citizens deserved to die. You are one judge and jury guy. Who made you St. Peter. You make Rhino seem human. 117290 of your citizens have died so far...more than a world war...show some compassion not politics. It's funny how you continue to gloss over over 4,300 preventable deaths in one state, attributable to a terrible decision to put COVID+ patients in ill equipped Senior centers. Do you think these senior centers are hospitals? How is it humane to put the patient in a place with no equipment to help them, or the seniors locked into the center with them? Yes locked in, no one allowed in (unless you have COVID apparently, or allowed out). My mom is in one of those centers. Mini Mussolini knowingly sent the sick to a closed environment where society's most defenseless people live. People isolated from all of their friends and family, none of us could get any info on our loved ones. 4300 senior citizens in NY died a preventable, lonely death because of a political decision. Then you have the nerve to point to other people and question their compassion? Check yourself, you sound like a fool. Edited June 17, 2020 by RocCityRoller 3 1
GG Posted June 17, 2020 Posted June 17, 2020 40 minutes ago, shoshin said: A good case for a flattened curve. Through properly managed performance by the people in charge. Unlike the media darling who's responsible for thousands of unnecessary deaths. 3 2
RocCityRoller Posted June 17, 2020 Posted June 17, 2020 (edited) 49 minutes ago, Magox said: No, I’m not and don’t have any Indian relatives. I’ve visited India for my work over the past few years on a few occasions. I love visiting India, would like to do more sight seeing than I have because we are typically swamped with meetings while we are there but their culture is something else. The one thing that struck me is how wrong most of us in the West are to India in general. We think all Indians speak English, not correct at all. Maybe 20-25%, max. 15-20 languages are spoken in India. I can't recall how many times our professor had to meet with 2-3 people for directions, just to get a translator from driver to professor to local. English is spoken in large cities, among professionals and government officials. Step away from that and it is conversational 'sell you something' at best. We think they are all Hindu. I can't begin to count how many religions there were. Simply not being monotheistic does not mean 'one other religion' How Federal/Confederated India is. The states and provinces are very very loosely tied together. It is US Federalism with actual state's rights. (think period between Revolution and Civil War) This is good and bad to getting things done. That racism exists in India among Indians. Between the remnants of the caste system and the North South Divide there is a whole extra layer of one-uppmanship in India. That racism exists outside of the USA, was an eye opener. The North has a history of intermixing with multiple conquerors like the Persians, Mongols (Moghuls) and even the British. It creates a different skin tone, language preference, religious preferences and dissimilar history. It adds up to a fascinating reflecting point on the USA. India is not homogenous at all. Whoever said that earlier in this thread is ignorant. India has its strengths and weaknesses. Every country I have been to does. I think a lot of American folks throwing garbage on the USA should try to travel some and see the world. They may discover that we as people all share the same foibles, and that as imperfect as it is, the USA is pretty great. Edited June 18, 2020 by RocCityRoller 3 1 3
plenzmd1 Posted June 17, 2020 Posted June 17, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Magox said: Well there it is. Don’t expect the panic porn crowd to stop though Summary. Average age of COVID confirmed infection only 37. Meaning they are at very low risk. Lots less people are in ICU and on ventilators than before. Hospital capacity is nowhere near even in the ball park of being stressed And stop panicking! ya know, i have not watched the clip yet. Having said that, this guy i thought was 1) Floridiot, 2) Covidiot. Now, i want him as my President. Funny what 3 months can do BTW, i am 57 and have wanderlust...no desire to go to India. I know prolly zenophobic, just no desire Edited June 17, 2020 by plenzmd1 1
Nanker Posted June 17, 2020 Posted June 17, 2020 Face it. We’re all dead. We just haven’t accepted it yet. 3 1
Koko78 Posted June 18, 2020 Posted June 18, 2020 37 minutes ago, Nanker said: Face it. We’re all dead. We just haven’t accepted it yet. Eh, I'm sure we all died in 2012, the matrix just hasn't updated yet. 2
shoshin Posted June 18, 2020 Posted June 18, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, RocCityRoller said: India is not homogenous at all. Whoever said that earlier in this thread is ignorant. India has its strengths and weaknesses. Every country I have been to does. I think a lot of American folks throwing garbage on the USA should try to travel some and see the world. They may discover that we as people all share the same foibles, and that as imperfect as it is, the USA is pretty great. Only 4 of us were talking about India. None of us said it was homogenous. I’ve always said Indians must have a good guffaw at America calling itself a melting pot. During one 4 year stretch From 2013 to 2017, I went to India 17 times, no trip shorter than 2 weeks. I made some of the best friends I’ve got in that time. Sadly I haven’t been there in a couple years. Was supposed to go in May but Covid ***** it up. The work was super intense and rewarding but the people are just incredible. The home dinners, weekends with friends, late night deep conversations, trips to temples of several faiths...it’s a special place. It’s a bit of a mess too, but I love it. 1 hour ago, plenzmd1 said: ya BTW, i am 57 and have wanderlust...no desire to go to India. I know prolly zenophobic, just no desire Different strokes for different folks. My wife is dying to go to Australia. Her top choice for our next trip. It’s about 25 on mine. I’d rather return to many places I’ve been before than go there. Not against it, just not that interested. Edited June 18, 2020 by shoshin 1
RocCityRoller Posted June 18, 2020 Posted June 18, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, shoshin said: Only 4 of us were talking about India. None of us said it was homogenous. I’ve always said Indians must have a good guffaw at America calling itself a melting pot. ......... I must have misinterpreted this I discounted the homogeneity and top-down belief 6 hours ago, GG said: Let's compare smaller largely homogeneous, top down state controlled countries with the US. Great correlation! Edited June 18, 2020 by RocCityRoller
Buffalo Bills Fan Posted June 18, 2020 Posted June 18, 2020 4 hours ago, Nanker said: Face it. We’re all dead. We just haven’t accepted it yet. Hopefully not anytime soon or not by covid19 (covid go to hell) But someday we all will be when we are old and discussing on here when we all are 80S in age LOL 1
SoCal Deek Posted June 18, 2020 Posted June 18, 2020 Yesterday, Thursday, we saw only four states with death counts in excess of 50. Once again no states were in triple digits and 30 states were either in single digits or had zero Covid 19 deaths. The death toll has definitely leveled off nationwide with essentially no midweek rise to speak of. 1
shoshin Posted June 18, 2020 Posted June 18, 2020 (edited) 18 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: Yesterday, Thursday, we saw only four states with death counts in excess of 50. Once again no states were in triple digits and 30 states were either in single digits or had zero Covid 19 deaths. The death toll has definitely leveled off nationwide with essentially no midweek rise to speak of. The midweek rise happened if you're comparing it to the weekend. 2x the deaths. And deaths aren't leveling, they are falling noticeably. Unless something happens today where where get an out of character jump on a Thursday, we will finish the week with zero days over 1000 deaths for the first time in 11 weeks. 1000 is just an arbitrary number but it is nice to say. Good deaths/million-pop graph. Edited June 18, 2020 by shoshin
SoCal Deek Posted June 18, 2020 Posted June 18, 2020 1 minute ago, shoshin said: The midweek rise happened if you're comparing it to the weekend. 2x the deaths. And deaths aren't leveling, they are falling noticeably. Unless something happens today where where get an out of character jump on a Thursday, we will finish the week with zero days over 1000 deaths for the first time in 11 weeks. 1000 is just an arbitrary number but it is nice to say. I agree. My midweek rise comment is become have said, and rightfully so, that there’s a lag in reporting over the weekend. That’s not because of the virus, but because apparently the coroners get to have weekends off too. This week however I kept waiting for the post weekend spike and never happened.
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