GG Posted June 12, 2020 Posted June 12, 2020 1 minute ago, SoCal Deek said: So you're saying we need to move those two ships again? Not again? I could barely stomach the non-stop coverage of the one slowly creeping into New York harbor. And the inevitable rush to the berths to see the ships docking in the middle of a pandemic!
SoCal Deek Posted June 12, 2020 Posted June 12, 2020 1 minute ago, GG said: And the inevitable rush to the berths to see the ships docking in the middle of a pandemic! Does Arizona have a port? This could get interesting! 1
Big Blitz Posted June 12, 2020 Posted June 12, 2020 All that has happened is States that have never peaked are peaking and replacing the States that did peak. That's why total cases are flat. But from 6 weeks ago percent positives overall is way down and most importantly so are deaths. Because it wasn't as deadly as they feared. No one has been "sheltering in place since Easter. That was April 6. 2 plus months ago. No surge. No overwhelmed hospitals. The kids are out of school.....we need to be fully open understanding the "risks" right now giving everyone the choice. Unemployment runs out in July. Time to get back to work. 1
shoshin Posted June 12, 2020 Posted June 12, 2020 (edited) Tests surge and drop all the time but to hit almost 600K is incredible. I didn’t dive in on states but I do know that tests in PA today were a record high by 20%, which could be post Covid surge of tests taken and also some protest-delayed results (testing slowed during the protests because some places were shut down or not getting samples out as fast). Edited June 12, 2020 by shoshin 1
Koko78 Posted June 12, 2020 Posted June 12, 2020 2 hours ago, Buffalo_Gal said: I thought the whole idea was more testing, which would discover more cases as we move toward herd immunity? I thought overwhelming the hospitals is what would be bad, not necessarily testing positive for COVID-19/antibodies (unless it landed you in the hospital)? The goalposts to end this crisis change based upon political expediency. 1
shoshin Posted June 12, 2020 Posted June 12, 2020 8 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: Critical thinking is called for here. You don't go from 40-50 new hospitalizations a day for 3 months to suddenly one in one day. What happens in AZ is probably what happens in PA, and that is that the hospitalization data trails. You can't look at PA hospitalizations within the last 7 days--it's always very low, but gets filled in later. Just an FYI. That's a bunk number from someone not giving it a lot of thought.
shoshin Posted June 12, 2020 Posted June 12, 2020 Just stuff to watch. "Texas previously saw record levels of COVID-19 hospitalizations this week, with 1,935 patients on Monday, 2,056 on Tuesday and 2,153 patients on Wednesday. On Wednesday, John Wittman, a spokesman for Gov. Greg Abbott, wrote in email that “every Texan who needs access to a hospital bed will have access to a hospital bed.” ...Friday, DSHS reported roughly 14,000 available hospital beds, about 1,500 intensive care unit beds and more than 5,800 available ventilators. Hospitalizations have been trending upward since late May, and have increased by 43.3% since the 1,511 patients hospitalized on Memorial Day. Before this week, the previous record for hospitalizations was on May 5 when 1,888 patients were hospitalized." It sounds there like there's a massive capacity for the governor to being considering putting off voluntary surgeries (again), this is getting attention for a reason. Sharp rises will open anyone's eyes. Hopefully this will level off but those severe spikes are reminiscent of the ones we saw in the northeast in April.
Reality Check Posted June 13, 2020 Posted June 13, 2020 https://www.zerohedge.com/health/colorado-bill-requires-re-education-parents-who-refuse-covid-19-vaccine More good news.
RiotAct Posted June 13, 2020 Posted June 13, 2020 42 minutes ago, Reality Check said: https://www.zerohedge.com/health/colorado-bill-requires-re-education-parents-who-refuse-covid-19-vaccine More good news. Delightful. 1
Gene Frenkle Posted June 13, 2020 Posted June 13, 2020 On 6/11/2020 at 9:39 AM, SoCal Deek said: Come on Warren. You have to look at the markets with a wider lens. A day? A week? A month? Seriously? You should consider granting this virus the same lens.
Magox Posted June 13, 2020 Posted June 13, 2020 (edited) 27 minutes ago, Gene Frenkle said: You should consider granting this virus the same lens. Why? 50-60k people die each year of the flu and no one bats an eye. So now we have a virus that may kill 200k and you know what? It sucks. But we have a virus that came from China in which they covered it up which really screwed everyone and now we are where we are. We just have to deal with it the best we can while returning to normalcy. We know that the virus is on par as the regular flu for people under age 60 and slightly more dangerous for those between 60-80 and considerably more for those over 80. We aren’t going to do another shut down or stringent measures any longer, that ship has sailed for a myriad of reasons. That is over. And if so it will be on a county by county basis. Unless it’s by some paternalistic governor from a blue state. Even then compliance will suck. Now we move forward while taking precautions for those that are most vulnerable while everyone else practicing common sense measures. There is no looking back. Edited June 13, 2020 by Magox 8
FireChans Posted June 13, 2020 Posted June 13, 2020 55 minutes ago, Magox said: Why? 50-60k people die each year of the flu and no one bats an eye. So now we have a virus that may kill 200k and you know what? It sucks. But we have a virus that came from China in which they covered it up which really screwed everyone and now we are where we are. We just have to deal with it the best we can while returning to normalcy. We know that the virus is on par as the regular flu for people under age 60 and slightly more dangerous for those between 60-80 and considerably more for those over 80. We aren’t going to do another shut down or stringent measures any longer, that ship has sailed for a myriad of reasons. That is over. And if so it will be on a county by county basis. Unless it’s by some paternalistic governor from a blue state. Even then compliance will suck. Now we move forward while taking precautions for those that are most vulnerable while everyone else practicing common sense measures. There is no looking back. Well said.
BillStime Posted June 13, 2020 Posted June 13, 2020 1 hour ago, Magox said: Why? 50-60k people die each year of the flu and no one bats an eye. So now we have a virus that may kill 200k and you know what? It sucks. But we have a virus that came from China in which they covered it up which really screwed everyone and now we are where we are. We just have to deal with it the best we can while returning to normalcy. We know that the virus is on par as the regular flu for people under age 60 and slightly more dangerous for those between 60-80 and considerably more for those over 80. We aren’t going to do another shut down or stringent measures any longer, that ship has sailed for a myriad of reasons. That is over. And if so it will be on a county by county basis. Unless it’s by some paternalistic governor from a blue state. Even then compliance will suck. Now we move forward while taking precautions for those that are most vulnerable while everyone else practicing common sense measures. There is no looking back. If only Trump didn’t absolutely destroy our pandemic infrastructure. If only Trump didn’t ignore his own intelligence in November 2019. Thanks Trump voters
Chef Jim Posted June 13, 2020 Posted June 13, 2020 1 hour ago, Gene Frenkle said: You should consider granting this virus the same lens. One has a relatively predictable history the other has no history at all. 2 minutes ago, BillStime said: If only Trump didn’t absolutely destroy our pandemic infrastructure. If only Trump didn’t ignore his own intelligence in November 2019. Thanks Trump voters What do your models show regarding the number of COVID deaths do date had we not all voted for Trump?
snafu Posted June 13, 2020 Posted June 13, 2020 19 minutes ago, BillStime said: If only Trump didn’t ignore his own intelligence in November 2019. I’ve never seen this assertion shown to be accurate. Do you have a link to something that backs up your claim? I’ve looked. There’s only an un-attributed ABC news story. Do you have anything else?
BillStime Posted June 13, 2020 Posted June 13, 2020 16 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: One has a relatively predictable history the other has no history at all. What do your models show regarding the number of COVID deaths do date had we not all voted for Trump? A picture tells a thousand words - 3 countries run by authoritarian strongmen - US, Russia and Brazil - 3 democracies run by women leaders- Germany, New Zealand and Iceland Draw your own conclusions
BillStime Posted June 13, 2020 Posted June 13, 2020 9 minutes ago, snafu said: I’ve never seen this assertion shown to be accurate. Do you have a link to something that backs up your claim? I’ve looked. There’s only an un-attributed ABC news story. Do you have anything else? We were warned five years ago... but Google it - do some research. I have also posted several links in the past; including today.
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