The Next Pandemic: SARS-CoV-2/COVID-19

[Doc Brown]

2 minutes ago, meazza said:

 

Stop being a troll.

 

https://montrealgazette.com/news/local-news/covid-19-is-under-control-in-montreal-health-officials-say

 

Keep in mind Montreal was a hot zone.

 

Were these southern states hit hard already?

I'm only going by hospitalizations and Texas, North Carolina South Carolina, Arkansas, Mississippi, Utah, Arizona, California, and Oregon are reporting some of their highest seven day averages.  So down South and out West.  This virus has a mind of its own.

[meazza]

Just now, Doc Brown said:

I'm only going by hospitalizations and Texas, North Carolina South Carolina, Arkansas, Mississippi, Utah, Arizona, California, and Oregon are reporting some of their highest seven day averages.  So down South and out West.  This virus has a mind of its own.

 

This virus follows the same trend everywhere.  

[Deranged Rhino]

Just now, meazza said:

 

We have the same issue here.  Restaurants should be open soon but no bars or gyms?  Many of these owners have threatened to defy the orders of the government.  

In LA it’s pretty interesting to see/learn who is outraged (and I mean outraged) over places opening, even after the past two weeks of supporting the protests. There’s a stark divide at least among my friends, the outraged ones are the ones still terrified they’ll get it — despite all being under 40 w no underlying conditions. Everyone else busts their balls/lady balls. 
 

The fear hook was sunk deep in some minds. 

[GG]

1 minute ago, Doc Brown said:

I'm only going by hospitalizations and Texas, North Carolina South Carolina, Arkansas, Mississippi, Utah, Arizona, California, and Oregon are reporting some of their highest seven day averages.  So down South and out West.  This virus has a mind of its own.

They're not at the highest 7 day averages.   The hospitalizations ticked up, but are still below March.  ICUs are nowhere near the peak.  

[meazza]

Just now, Deranged Rhino said:

In LA it’s pretty interesting to see/learn who is outraged (and I mean outraged) over places opening, even after the past two weeks of supporting the protests. There’s a stark divide at least among my friends, the outraged ones are the ones still terrified they’ll get it — despite all being under 40 w no underlying conditions. Everyone else busts their balls/lady balls. 
 

The fear hook was sunk deep in some minds. 

 

I'm not sure about LA but the internet skews our perspective of public opinion.  Looking at FB or twitter comments, you'd think everyone was hiding in their basement but in reality, most people had quickly defied the orders a long time ago.  

[Magox]

1 minute ago, meazza said:

 

We have the same issue here.  Restaurants should be open soon but no bars or gyms?  Many of these owners have threatened to defy the orders of the government.  

 

Depends on who you ask, the mass protests coupled with the contradictory statements and actions from the governors and health experts were either the best or worst things that could have happened.   For the weary and skeptics, the debate officially ended.   For those that truly wanted to remain more cautious, their hopes went up in flames.  
 

People are willing to take that tiny risk to get back to normalcy.   There is no going back to full compliance of stringent social distancing.

[meazza]

2 minutes ago, Magox said:

 

Depends on who you ask, the mass protests coupled with the contradictory statements and actions from the governors and health experts were either the best or worst things that could have happened.   For the weary and skeptics, the debate officially ended.   For those that truly wanted to remain more cautious, their hopes went up in flames.  
 

People are willing to take that tiny risk to get back to normalcy.   There is no going back to full compliance of stringent social distancing.

 

I agree. I will remain cautious with my mother and my baby (when he's born) but that's about it.

[Magox]

5 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

I'm only going by hospitalizations and Texas, North Carolina South Carolina, Arkansas, Mississippi, Utah, Arizona, California, and Oregon are reporting some of their highest seven day averages.  So down South and out West.  This virus has a mind of its own.

Arizona hospitalizations are plummeting 

 

Texas ICU admissions is falling drastically, Florida is barely nudging higher from very sustainable levels that are nowhere near at being stressed.   North Carolina is still at a low level.

 

It appears you are buying into the panic porn.   It’s always the same grifters attempting to paint a certain narrative

 

 

[Doc Brown]

5 minutes ago, Magox said:

Arizona hospitalizations are plummeting 

 

Texas ICU admissions is falling drastically, Florida is barely nudging higher from very sustainable levels that are nowhere near at being stressed.   North Carolina is still at a low level.

 

It appears you are buying into the panic porn.   It’s always the same grifters attempting to paint a certain narrative

 

 

I guess it's who you follow.  I just assumed by now all states would be on the downside of the curve by now in hospitalizations.

 

 

 

[Chef Jim]

20 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

In LA it’s pretty interesting to see/learn who is outraged (and I mean outraged) over places opening, even after the past two weeks of supporting the protests. There’s a stark divide at least among my friends, the outraged ones are the ones still terrified they’ll get it — despite all being under 40 w no underlying conditions. Everyone else busts their balls/lady balls. 
 

The fear hook was sunk deep in some minds. 

I’ve been pretty much business as usual. Back in the office full time for three weeks. Haircut last weekend.  Dinner reservations Saturday for the wife’s birthday. Come to the light on the other side of the Orange Curtain. 

[Magox]

3 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

I guess it's who you follow.  I just assumed by now all states would be on the downside of the curve by now in hospitalizations.

 

 

 

 

They’re doing just fine.  

[Doc Brown]

Just now, Magox said:

They’re doing just fine.  

Too much data honestly.  Now I know why pff employees are sarcastic pricks.

[Buffalo Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, GG said:

The virus isn't over, but the crisis is.  

 

Still taking pre-cautions. Virus not over but not sure crisis.

 

But people do def have to open up now for work plus other things..

 

Plus people understand how this virus attacks now, blood clots, everything else. Time to open up. People have the knowledge how this virus attacks. Know how as well this virus attacks. 

 

My biggest thing people understand now to help people how this virus attacks people. And how to help people out.

[shoshin]

7 hours ago, GG said:

They're not at the highest 7 day averages.   The hospitalizations ticked up, but are still below March.  ICUs are nowhere near the peak.  

 

"At its peak, Arizona's intensive care unit beds were 78% in use. As of Monday, 76% were occupied. Arizona's Director of Health Services Dr. Cara Christ asked that hospitals "be judicious" in elective surgeries to ensure bed capacity. "

 

And NC has more hospitalization for Covid right now than it ever has. 

 

It's the stat to watch on reopening. Let's not pretend it's going swimmingly. 

Edited June 10, 2020 by shoshin

[Reality Check]

1 hour ago, shoshin said:

 

"At its peak, Arizona's intensive care unit beds were 78% in use. As of Monday, 76% were occupied. Arizona's Director of Health Services Dr. Cara Christ asked that hospitals "be judicious" in elective surgeries to ensure bed capacity. "

 

And NC has more hospitalization for Covid right now than it ever has. 

 

It's the stat to watch on reopening. Let's not pretend it's going swimmingly. 

It's going great. There will not be a second shutdown.

[Taro T]

9 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

I guess it's who you follow.  I just assumed by now all states would be on the downside of the curve by now in hospitalizations.

 

 

 

 

So, Alabama wasn't reporting hospitalizations, but now they are reporting, and the totals didn't quite go up for the south as much as Alabama added, and that's a bad thing?

 

Funny how each of those graphs use a different scale, so it looks like things overall haven't improved much.  But if they were all on the same scale we'd notice that the mid-Atlantic's peak should be 5x that of New England, the mid-West's should be 2x, and the South West's (the one seeing the "large" growth) should be 0.5x.

 

Deaths don't seem to be appreciably rising either (thankfully), so it really does seem they've got a handle on all this.  In the next 3-10 days we should see spikes in positive tests from all the protests; if we don't, guess there's something to the speculation about seasonality, or some assumption(s) about transmittability must have been off.  It will be interesting to see how the protest spikes are handled/addressed.

 

2 hours ago, shoshin said:

 

"At its peak, Arizona's intensive care unit beds were 78% in use. As of Monday, 76% were occupied. Arizona's Director of Health Services Dr. Cara Christ asked that hospitals "be judicious" in elective surgeries to ensure bed capacity. "

 

And NC has more hospitalization for Covid right now than it ever has. 

 

It's the stat to watch on reopening. Let's not pretend it's going swimmingly. 

 

But how many of those ICU beds are being used by people that put off surgeries & from other maladies besides COVID-19?  Procedures can only be put off for so long unless they are truly elective.

 

And NC's "spike" in hospitalizations (774) needs to increase by nearly 33% to simply reach 1,000 statewide.  It stinks that there's any, but fairly certain with the additional knowledge they have now that wasn't available in March that they could handle 1,000 cases without overly taxing the system.  Which was the point of the lockdowns in the 1st place.

Edited June 10, 2020 by Taro T

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

9 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said:

In LA it’s pretty interesting to see/learn who is outraged (and I mean outraged) over places opening, even after the past two weeks of supporting the protests. There’s a stark divide at least among my friends, the outraged ones are the ones still terrified they’ll get it — despite all being under 40 w no underlying conditions. Everyone else busts their balls/lady balls. 
 

The fear hook was sunk deep in some minds. 

With due respect go your friends, they are a massive part of the problem. The virus has to be dealt with, and if they believe what they do, their support of protests will lead to disaster.  Supporting the strain on hospitals, deaths of hundreds of thousands of protestors and and those they know beyond the protest zone is absurd given their perspective.  
 

It’s not even balls or lack thereof, it’s lack of any semblance of reason and a surreal willingness to lie in subservience at the feet of government types who clearly feel politics trump the safety of citizens. 

9 hours ago, Chef Jim said:

I’ve been pretty much business as usual. Back in the office full time for three weeks. Haircut last weekend.  Dinner reservations Saturday for the wife’s birthday. Come to the light on the other side of the Orange Curtain. 

So Cal Chik-fil-a takes reservations ya romantic bastard? 

[SoCal Deek]

Another day without a single state in triple digit deaths. Those that said the low numbers were due to the typical weekend hangover in reporting (including me) were clearly wrong. The virus is chugging along at a steady but very low pace. It appears to have sought its own level, like water, and is now just one of a number of things that our elderly population is at risk of dying from. We can continue to count the results, and I will for the foreseeable future, but.....This story is over! 

Edited June 10, 2020 by SoCal Deek

[Orlando Buffalo]

2 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Another day without a single state in triple digit deaths. Those that said the low numbers were due to the typical weekend hangover in reporting (including me) were clearly wrong. The virus is chugging along at a steady but very low pace. It appears to have sought its own level, like water, and is now just one of a number of things that our elderly population is at risk of dying from. We can continue to count the results, and I will for the foreseeable future, but.....This story is over! 

I think the next two weeks are going to be very informative. With all the protest if the Covid numbers do not jump it is time to reopen everyrhing. A stadium is less packed then those protests and with widespread nature of the protest this is the petri dish I did not think we would have 

[GG]

I continue to be amazed at immediate condemnations of any positive observations of the Wuhan virus by the officials. 

 

HCQ?  Trump talking point, it can't work.

Infections dropping significantly?  Wait until the second wave.

Hospitalizations falling? Yeah, but what about this county in NW Iowa?

ICU capacity at all time low in the pandemic? Nothing to see here.

Deaths falling? Are you cheering that grandma died?

Asymptomatic transmissions are rare?  Because no one has bothered to formally study the obvious observation, it can't be true.

Viral loads have weakened? Because no one has bothered to formally study the obvious observation, it can't be true.

Virtually no evidence of outdoor transmissions? Stay away from the beach.  Do you want to kill grandma?

 

PS - Now I see the media cheering that there were a handful of positive cases at Tesla's factory.  No mention whether they were symptomatic or how serious the cases were.   

Edited June 10, 2020 by GG