The Next Pandemic: SARS-CoV-2/COVID-19

[Magox]

Slow steady decline across the board.

 

looks like about a 20-25% drop in deaths and about a 20% drop in positive test rate.  With slight decline in confirmed positives.  Week over week. 
 

 

[Reality Check]

6 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

...realistically though, aren't science and capitalists the ideal "antis" in something like this?.....scientists seem to be worst case doom and gloom gang whereas capitalists are more optimistic.....if, IF this pandemic is an overreaction, scientists disappear while capitalists thump their chests...in the meantime, we suffer because of warring factions.......I'm concerned about the least addressed of "in betweens".....for example, what are the socioeconomic effects of these shutdowns?....familial financial deterioration (yet the fault of those living paycheck to paycheck?), increases in depression, suicides, spousal violence, et al?.....or how about social skills of children being away from the classroom since March?...is "pressed into service" of home schooling as effective as "live in the classroom instruction"?......just don't see where "all things considered" is actually a "consideration"...

I share all of your concerns. The damage done by this shutdown is profound and still widely unknown. There is no precedent for it. We must soldier on and apply what we learn day to day. Sadly, there is no holistic model currently available to evaluate the damage as of yet. I agree with your premise of "ideal antis". Capitalists who have maintained their ethics tend to be exceedingly pragmatic and effective, especially in emergencies. I maintain hope for effective solutions and accountability.

[Chef Jim]

46 minutes ago, The Poojer said:

I'm guessing that has more to do with you than their safety ?

 

 

 

They have been calling me a virus for a couple years now.  

[GG]

10 minutes ago, Reality Check said:

History is likely to show that they knew exactly what they were doing. They are "experts" of course. Then again when experts are wrong and there are casualties, some will rationalize away the result as merely a "miscalculation".

 

I'll give them the benefit of trying to fight a totally unknown virus and following the process that you thought was proper based on what other countries were doing.  In retrospect it could turn out that the first countries that got hit were wrong, and that set everyone on the wrong path.   

 

It started with healthcare experts downplaying the infection threat in January & February, followed by watching the Italian viral spread though the hospitals and putting all seriously infected cases on ventilators.  I'm guessing that the desire to keep the hospitals as free of disease as possible was the far more fatal path to follow.

[Chef Jim]

16 minutes ago, Magox said:

Slow steady decline across the board.

 

 

Well yes I think it has to do a lot with the amount of posting @Tiberius @Q-baby! @BillStime @SectionC3 on the board.

 

Wait..........what...........??

40 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

ART OF THE DEAL: 

 

U.S. secures 300 million doses, almost a third, of potential AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine.

 

If Trump were a Democrat, we’d be hearing about this everywhere as evidence of his forward-leaning strategy. Since he’s Trump, we probably will barely hear about it at all, unless someone can find out that he has fifty bucks worth of AstraZeneca stock in a mutual fund somewhere and charge him with self-dealing.

 

 

Well no they'll fixate on the word POTENTIAL and call it a waste of money on something that has not been tested blah blah blah blah ORANGE MAN BAD blah blah blah blah. 

 

2 hours ago, shoshin said:

 

Вам не нравятся успешные капиталисты и ученые, komrade. 

 

Donald??  ?

[Buffalo Bills Fan]

2 hours ago, Magox said:

 

 

I am typically not a Monday morning sort of Quarterback sort of analysis sort of guy.

 

But this was entirely avoidable.  Amazing how the media isn't honing in on this.

 

Actually, it's not amazing, it's wholly predictable.

 

 

It's sad what they are doing to older people.  Complete tyranny. 

[Buffalo Bills Fan]

 

[plenzmd1]

2 hours ago, The Poojer said:

I'm guessing that has more to do with you than their safety ?

 

 

Very astute observation young man. 

 

BTW , in an actual inside bar in Morgantown WVA! 

[Magox]

The little told story of #COVID19

 

 

[Reality Check]

1 hour ago, GG said:

 

I'll give them the benefit of trying to fight a totally unknown virus and following the process that you thought was proper based on what other countries were doing.  In retrospect it could turn out that the first countries that got hit were wrong, and that set everyone on the wrong path.   

 

It started with healthcare experts downplaying the infection threat in January & February, followed by watching the Italian viral spread though the hospitals and putting all seriously infected cases on ventilators.  I'm guessing that the desire to keep the hospitals as free of disease as possible was the far more fatal path to follow.

My post was in reference to those four states that forced sick seniors back into these assisted living facilities. It doesn't take a genius to understand that the death counts would dramatically increase as a result, and that is why I won't let them off the hook for that decision. Haven't you noticed the lack of remorse on the subject and the political capital it created in arguing for delays in reopening due to death totals. You may want to consider that some of our leaders have sociopathic tendencies in regards to promoting their agendas. Human life these days is quite fungible. We must not forget that this virus was not an unknown commodity. It was produced in a Wuhan bioweapons lab working on "gain of function" research. Create a problem, profit off of the solution. This is not a new game.

[meazza]

4 hours ago, GG said:

 

I'll give them the benefit of trying to fight a totally unknown virus and following the process that you thought was proper based on what other countries were doing.  In retrospect it could turn out that the first countries that got hit were wrong, and that set everyone on the wrong path.   

 

It started with healthcare experts downplaying the infection threat in January & February, followed by watching the Italian viral spread though the hospitals and putting all seriously infected cases on ventilators.  I'm guessing that the desire to keep the hospitals as free of disease as possible was the far more fatal path to follow.

 

Exactly.  Hindsight is 20/20.  I'm old enough to remember when our government completely downplayed this virus in early March while Italy was clearly turning into a nightmare.

 

Policy makers are not deviant sociopaths that can plan the next conspiracy but rather career officials who just keep making bad decisions as they try to look out for their own asses.

[Chef Jim]

3 hours ago, Magox said:

The little told story of #COVID19

 

 

Now that is quite interesting. I had an office  in Walnut Creek for a few years. Beautiful area. Sad story. 

[BillStime]

14 hours ago, Chef Jim said:

 

Well yes I think it has to do a lot with the amount of posting @Tiberius @Q-baby! @BillStime @SectionC3 on the board.

 

[meazza]

3 minutes ago, BillStime said:

Chef Jim is a republican ?

[SoCal Deek]

It’s really close now people! Yesterday only three states reported triple digit deaths: NY (125) NJ and CA (107 each). All other states were well below those figures and if you drill down further into those three states you’ll of course find the vast majority of even those limited deaths are in very small geographic counties, and comprised a very small subset of the elderly population. 

[Chef Jim]

12 minutes ago, BillStime said:

Facts??  No.....

Opinions

Feels

Dumbassery

[GG]

12 hours ago, Reality Check said:

My post was in reference to those four states that forced sick seniors back into these assisted living facilities. It doesn't take a genius to understand that the death counts would dramatically increase as a result, and that is why I won't let them off the hook for that decision. Haven't you noticed the lack of remorse on the subject and the political capital it created in arguing for delays in reopening due to death totals. You may want to consider that some of our leaders have sociopathic tendencies in regards to promoting their agendas. Human life these days is quite fungible. We must not forget that this virus was not an unknown commodity. It was produced in a Wuhan bioweapons lab working on "gain of function" research. Create a problem, profit off of the solution. This is not a new game.

 

I don't believe that the politicians act out of intentional malice.  They follow their instincts and sometimes advice, to enact policy, but being natural narcissists of the highest order, it's impossible for them to admit a mistake.  This is what you are seeing in the NYC metro area, where the early decisions which may have seemed right at the time, proved to be catastrophic and the leaders can't pivot fast enough to reverse course because that would mean admitting to major mistakes.

 

The biggest problem I see in hindsight is fully following Italy's example in treatments, isolation and lockdowns.   You'd figure Italy would be among the last countries you'd want to emulate, but because they got hit so hard so fast, it was universally seen as the model to follow, when it shouldn't have been.   They should have followed the Washington State model instead.

 

If you recall, at the time, the best theory of the Italian spread started in a single hospital in Bergamo, which then infected the entire North.  That's why the precautions were taken to protect hospitals at all costs, because of the risk of spreading the infections from the hospitals to the rest of the population.  In retrospect, that was a grave mistake because nursing homes were ill equipped to take the sick patients, and they became the prime centers of reinfections.   The correct move should have been to transfer all those patients to Javitz or to the ship.  Critical mistake, and Cuomo will face his reckoning over this decision.

[Chef Jim]

11 minutes ago, meazza said:

Chef Jim is a republican ?

They are so clueless. 

[Chef Jim]

11 minutes ago, GG said:

 

I don't believe that the politicians act out of intentional malice.  They follow their instincts and sometimes advice, to enact policy, but being natural narcissists of the highest order, it's impossible for them to admit a mistake.  This is what you are seeing in the NYC metro area, where the early decisions which may have seemed right at the time, proved to be catastrophic and the leaders can't pivot fast enough to reverse course because that would mean admitting to major mistakes.

 

The biggest problem I see in hindsight is fully following Italy's example in treatments, isolation and lockdowns.   You'd figure Italy would be among the last countries you'd want to emulate, but because they got hit so hard so fast, it was universally seen as the model to follow, when it shouldn't have been.   They should have followed the Washington State model instead.

 

If you recall, at the time, the best theory of the Italian spread started in a single hospital in Bergamo, which then infected the entire North.  That's why the precautions were taken to protect hospitals at all costs, because of the risk of spreading the infections from the hospitals to the rest of the population.  In retrospect, that was a grave mistake because nursing homes were ill equipped to take the sick patients, and they became the prime centers of reinfections.   The correct move should have been to transfer all those patients to Javitz or to the ship.  Critical mistake, and Cuomo will face his reckoning over this decision.

Even thought I really can’t stand politicians (they rank a close 3rd behind celebrities and bicyclists) they are really in a tough position here of damned if you do damned if you don’t. Stay home crash the economy open up the cases/deaths may surge.  The only thing is one of those two options is certain hence the word “may” in the second option.  I don’t envy them at all. 

[SoCal Deek]

25 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

Even thought I really can’t stand politicians (they rank a close 3rd behind celebrities and bicyclists) they are really in a tough position here of damned if you do damned if you don’t. Stay home crash the economy open up the cases/deaths may surge.  The only thing is one of those two options is certain hence the word “may” in the second option.  I don’t envy them at all. 

That’s what they want you to think. The choice is not that complicated if you use data instead of emotions. The vast, vast, vast majority of each and every State does not have a problem with the Corona Virus. This now needs to be turned over to county officials, not governors. Just like Trump turned it over to the governors a few weeks ago.