Buffalo_Gal Posted March 13, 2020 Posted March 13, 2020 2 minutes ago, Bob in Mich said: I heard a Water Pik will leave one minty fresh Don't laugh, there is a water bottle attachment. 2
PaoloBillsFanFromItaly Posted March 13, 2020 Posted March 13, 2020 1 minute ago, Foxx said: what i think is that you are being somewhat disingenuous. as well as perhaps being a bit of naive with regard to certain aspects. you say that it is thought that one German guy brought the virus to Italy. while that could be true, discounting the possibility that a Chinese nationalist brought it from a place where it is believed to have originated and many of those Chinese nationalists are from the suspected origin is not being totally honest. yes, i have no idea whether or not the tweet and hence the article is true but it is not just some willy nilly tweet, the guy in question is a 'blue check mark' and based a portion of his article on a Reuters article. as i say though, i really don't know and am just trying to look for truth. Wait, I don't discount the possibility that a Chinese brought the disease in Italy. This unknown, or theese unknown chinese guys coming back from China could have infected someone, but that episodes probably remained confined within the chinese community and they did not spread up. On the other side, a 38 years old italian guy went to a hospital with the virus and spread it in the hospital causing a big disease hotbed. This is well documented, also the personnel in that hospital is under investigation and also the regional governement of Lombardia is under investigation because they are charged not be apply the correct health care protocols. These are facts.
Tiberius Posted March 13, 2020 Posted March 13, 2020 Any word on how Trump is feeling? Any symptoms yet?
billsfan1959 Posted March 13, 2020 Posted March 13, 2020 1 minute ago, PaoloBillsFanFromItaly said: Wait, I don't discount the possibility that a Chinese brought the disease in Italy. This unknown, or theese unknown chinese guys coming back from China could have infected someone, but that episodes probably remained confined within the chinese community and they did not spread up. On the other side, a 38 years old italian guy went to a hospital with the virus and spread it in the hospital causing a big disease hotbed. This is well documented, also the personnel in that hospital is under investigation and also the regional governement of Lombardia is under investigation because they are charged not be apply the correct health care protocols. These are facts. The fact is, you have no idea how many Chinese may have been infected and may have brought the disease to Italy if they never sought medical treatment in Italy. If they did bring the virus with them, to say it would have been contained within the Chinese community and not spread outside of it is naive at best and willfully ignorant at worst. 1
Greybeard Posted March 13, 2020 Posted March 13, 2020 I check the John Hopkin's site to see the daily record of cases and saw something interesting. Iran used to be near the top of the list. Now they aren't even listed. Russia had very few cases a couple of days ago. Now they are unlisted. I suppose there are many possible reasons for this but I wonder how Russia is making out. If this attacks the lungs, what about all the kids that vape? Mostly youth but I think that would hurt their odds if they get it. About 4 weeks ago I read that people who get this and recover, can get this again. The body does not retain its anti-bodies for this. When I read this I was unsure if this was true and thought I might come across another mention of this, but it the last 4 weeks I have not. Has anyone heard anything about this?
Uncle Joe Posted March 13, 2020 Posted March 13, 2020 5 hours ago, PaoloBillsFanFromItaly said: That tweet says things appearing to be obvious, but let me tell me something. <snip> 5) A lot of speculation was made in Italy about the PATIENT ZERO. How the PATIENT ONE got infected, he may have been infected in a chinese "massage" center...maybe during the "happy ending" handjob? Listen, almost all Italian thought about this, but this just crap you say to have some laughs with friends. According to some sources, the person who brought the disease to Europe is a german guy. So now, do you still think that this tweet was so "obvious" ? So we can blame Robert Kraft? j/k
PaoloBillsFanFromItaly Posted March 13, 2020 Posted March 13, 2020 Just now, billsfan1959 said: The fact is, you have no idea how many Chinese may have been infected and may have brought the disease to Italy if they never sought medical treatment in Italy. If they did bring the virus with them, to say it would have been contained within the Chinese community and not spread outside of it is naive at best and willfully ignorant at worst. Ok, but what about the thousands of european and americans that travelled to wuhan in the period of co-vid incubation? Then again, if a chinese has got some flu he could have stayed home and nobody would have noticed. But if this chinese had serious symptoms he HAD to go to hospitals to be treated. And I repeat, not a single chinese tested positive. And again, chinese communities are spread all over the world, why Italy and not France, or Germany ? Because of the textile factory in Prato ? But the big problem occurred in another region... And again, does it matter now ? 1
Foxx Posted March 13, 2020 Posted March 13, 2020 1 minute ago, PaoloBillsFanFromItaly said: Wait, I don't discount the possibility that a Chinese brought the disease in Italy. This unknown, or theese unknown chinese guys coming back from China could have infected someone, but that episodes probably remained confined within the chinese community and they did not spread up. On the other side, a 38 years old italian guy went to a hospital with the virus and spread it in the hospital causing a big disease hotbed. This is well documented, also the personnel in that hospital is under investigation and also the regional governement of Lombardia is under investigation because they are charged not be apply the correct health care protocols. These are facts. Paolo, thank you for your feet on the ground reporting position here, it is nice to have that aspect. i wish we had more from other people around the world doing such, it can only help the community here. with that said, i am going to have to disagree with you a bit further here. i also know others who live in Italy and they are saying things somewhat different that what you are seeing. for example, you say, "This unknown, or theese unknown chinese guys coming back from China could have infected someone, but that episodes probably remained confined within the chinese community and they did not spread up." are/were you aware of the anti-racism Florence campaign/program, 'hug a Chinese'? that was happening just prior to the outbreak. this was posted on Feb 4th, prior to the outbreak. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNMdg4morQs&feature=emb_logo the summation below the video says: Mayor of Florence Dario Nardella has suggested residents hug Chinese people to encourage them in the fight against the novel coronavirus. Meanwhile, a member of Associazione Unione Giovani Italo Cinesi, a Chinese society in Italy aimed at promoting friendship between people in the two countries, called for respect for novel coronavirus patients during a street demonstration. "I'm not a virus. I'm a human. Eradicate the prejudice." again, with all due respect, this seems to contradict what you are saying here.
Koko78 Posted March 13, 2020 Posted March 13, 2020 44 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said: So, on a completely related note, I was considering investing heavily into bottled water/bottled water company stocks, then spreading a rumor that water supplies were infected with COVID-19. Anyone with me on this? I'm sure we can make enough money before being sent to federal pound-us-in-the-ass prison to make the bid worthwhile.
billsfan1959 Posted March 13, 2020 Posted March 13, 2020 1 minute ago, Tiberius said: Any word on how Trump is feeling? Any symptoms yet? Your next big hope for Trump to be removed from office. It must be awful to be so terrified of a Trump reelection... 1
PaoloBillsFanFromItaly Posted March 13, 2020 Posted March 13, 2020 2 minutes ago, Uncle Joe said: So we can blame Robert Kraft? j/k
Tiberius Posted March 13, 2020 Posted March 13, 2020 Just now, billsfan1959 said: Your next big hope for Trump to be removed from office. It must be awful to be so terrified of a Trump reelection... Trump reelection?
4merper4mer Posted March 13, 2020 Posted March 13, 2020 (edited) 26 minutes ago, Bob in Mich said: I heard a Water Pik will leave one minty fresh Steer clear. I don't trust my own aim with one of those things and I'm never even stoned. Hold it at the wrong angle and all hell could break loose. Edited March 13, 2020 by 4merper4mer 2
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted March 13, 2020 Posted March 13, 2020 26 minutes ago, dubs said: buy a bidet, next level thinking! 6
billsfan1959 Posted March 13, 2020 Posted March 13, 2020 1 minute ago, PaoloBillsFanFromItaly said: Ok, but what about the thousands of european and americans that travelled to wuhan in the period of co-vid incubation? Then again, if a chinese has got some flu he could have stayed home and nobody would have noticed. But if this chinese had serious symptoms he HAD to go to hospitals to be treated. And I repeat, not a single chinese tested positive. And again, chinese communities are spread all over the world, why Italy and not France, or Germany ? Because of the textile factory in Prato ? But the big problem occurred in another region... And again, does it matter now ? And I repeat, you have no idea how many of the Chinese in your country are positive for the disease. 80% who get it have mild symptoms. If they do not go to the hospital and do not get tested you will never know.
Foxx Posted March 13, 2020 Posted March 13, 2020 4 minutes ago, Greybeard said: ... About 4 weeks ago I read that people who get this and recover, can get this again. The body does not retain its anti-bodies for this. When I read this I was unsure if this was true and thought I might come across another mention of this, but it the last 4 weeks I have not. Has anyone heard anything about this? Japan confirms first case of person re-infected with coronavirus 1
billsfan1959 Posted March 13, 2020 Posted March 13, 2020 1 minute ago, Tiberius said: Trump reelection? You can lie to us; however, don't lie to yourself. Very unhealthy... 1
GG Posted March 13, 2020 Posted March 13, 2020 4 minutes ago, PaoloBillsFanFromItaly said: Ok, but what about the thousands of european and americans that travelled to wuhan in the period of co-vid incubation? Then again, if a chinese has got some flu he could have stayed home and nobody would have noticed. But if this chinese had serious symptoms he HAD to go to hospitals to be treated. And I repeat, not a single chinese tested positive. And again, chinese communities are spread all over the world, why Italy and not France, or Germany ? Because of the textile factory in Prato ? But the big problem occurred in another region... And again, does it matter now ? Of course it matters because you always want to investigate the root causes, so that you can be better prepared for the next one. As I said before, it's far worse for Italy if the German tourist is patient zero. In that instance, a man with no symptoms and no disease infects a 38-yr old who gets treated in a hospital, and then the hospital's improper hygiene proceeds to shut down an entire country? That is not good news at all. For your country's sake, you hope that this is not the prime case.
Foxx Posted March 13, 2020 Posted March 13, 2020 (edited) seems many of the worlds elite are not immune, the latest. Spain minister tests positive for virus Madrid,Spain: Spain's equality minister has tested positive for coronavirus and has been quarantined with her partner, deputy prime minister and Podemos leader Pablo Iglesias, a government statement said on Thursday. "The minister (Irene Montero) is in a good condition and second deputy prime minister Pablo Iglesias is also in quarantine due to the situation," the statement said. ... Edited March 13, 2020 by Foxx 1
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