Deranged Rhino Posted May 6, 2020 Posted May 6, 2020 Just now, meazza said: Some are. I've yet to see anyone argue the virus isn't real. Or that people haven't died. I've seen plenty of people reasonably question the actual lethality of it and the way data has been collected in the moment. 3
GG Posted May 6, 2020 Posted May 6, 2020 5 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: Spin: "DON'T GO OUTSIDE! YOU'LL DIE!" Reality: Sunshine is the best disinfectant. Unfortunately, Seattle has seen more sunshine than NYC this spring That's why everyone rushed to the parks this weekend for the first sunny & warm day in weeks. 1 2
Deranged Rhino Posted May 6, 2020 Posted May 6, 2020 1 minute ago, Motorin' said: If anyone is whistling past the graveyard, it's the people who refuse to look at the overall rise in death rates while still calming CV19 is no more deadly than the flu. You're still ignoring the fact that the media is lying to you. 24/7. Not to keep you informed, but to keep you controlled. What controls people better than fear? Nothing. It's their oldest trick, which is why they keep using it. Questioning this, pointing this out, is our job as free people. Ignoring it, as you are, is how they keep you under their thumb.
Motorin' Posted May 6, 2020 Posted May 6, 2020 1 minute ago, Deranged Rhino said: You're still ignoring the fact that the media is lying to you. 24/7. Not to keep you informed, but to keep you controlled. What controls people better than fear? Nothing. It's their oldest trick, which is why they keep using it. Questioning this, pointing this out, is our job as free people. Ignoring it, as you are, is how they keep you under their thumb. Sorry bro. The media does not control me. You're talking to a fictitious character you've built up in your head. 1
Deranged Rhino Posted May 6, 2020 Posted May 6, 2020 Just now, Motorin' said: Sorry bro. The media does not control me. You're talking to a fictitious character you've built up in your head. Yet, you haven't addressed it other than to scoff at it. I'm thinking you're not as awake as you think you are.
meazza Posted May 6, 2020 Posted May 6, 2020 3 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: I've yet to see anyone argue the virus isn't real. Or that people haven't died. I've seen plenty of people reasonably question the actual lethality of it and the way data has been collected in the moment. Dante. 1 1
Motorin' Posted May 6, 2020 Posted May 6, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: Yet, you haven't addressed it other than to scoff at it. I'm thinking you're not as awake as you think you are. When I was about 12, out trick or treating on Halloween, a local news crew was setup at my neighbor's house. They held us back and then cued us to run to the door and ring the bell. They told us to watch the news at 11pm. When we watched the segment, they reported "Live from ...". All my illusions that the media exists as a truth telling institutions were shattered right then and there. I guess I'd be more concerned with the media's portrayal of the virus if there weren't armed men flying confederate flags occupying state capitals comparing stay at home orders to the Final Solution. The virus is real. Rational people can disagree about the what they think the best course of action is. But there's a whole lot of irrationality at play, and dangerous people screaming about civil war. Edited May 6, 2020 by Motorin' 2
Tiberius Posted May 6, 2020 Posted May 6, 2020 26 minutes ago, Gary M said: Did we flatten the curve? Then Mission accomplished WH wants everyone to think so. They want the people to get out there and man up against the pandemic
Deranged Rhino Posted May 6, 2020 Posted May 6, 2020 Just now, Motorin' said: When I was about 12, out trick or treating on Halloween, a local news crew was setup at my neighbor's house. They held us back and then cued us to run to the door and ring the bell. They told us to watch the news at 11pm. When we watched the segment, they reported "Live from ...". All my illusions that the media exists as a truth telling institutions were shattered right then and there. I guess I'd be more concerned with the media's portrayal of the virus if there weren't armed men flying confederate flags. occupying state capitals comparing stay at home orders to the Final Solution. Thank you for proving my point. Go back to sleep now. 1
Motorin' Posted May 6, 2020 Posted May 6, 2020 1 minute ago, Deranged Rhino said: Thank you for proving my point. Go back to sleep now. The virus is real. Rational people can disagree about the what they think the best course of action is. But there's a whole lot of irrationality at play, and dangerous people screaming about civil war. 1
Deranged Rhino Posted May 6, 2020 Posted May 6, 2020 (edited) 1 minute ago, Motorin' said: The virus is real. Rational people can disagree about the what they think the best course of action is. But there's a whole lot of irrationality at play, and dangerous people screaming about civil war. You literally are citing fake/sensationalized media coverage which is designed to create division, fear, and panic -- as proof that you are fully awake and not under the media's spell. You proved my point. And still are with the more you pull out batshit crazy media theories as if they were fact. Edited May 6, 2020 by Deranged Rhino 2
Albwan Posted May 6, 2020 Posted May 6, 2020 2 minutes ago, Motorin' said: The virus is real. Rational people can disagree about the what they think the best course of action is. But there's a whole lot of irrationality at play, and dangerous people screaming about civil war. Here's some of your rational people...thugs with tanks and guns drawn because of an open bar. 1
Buffalo_Gal Posted May 6, 2020 Posted May 6, 2020 20 minutes ago, Motorin' said: And I could see hospitals attributing deaths to covid 19 when it wasn't the cause too. There are tools to reality check, as it were. The daily death rate in NYC is 300% more than normal. And in many parts of the country, the daily death rate is 30%-60% higher than normal. I mean, maybe it's all part of the globalist, Bill Gates / George Soros grand jewish conspiracy... But the truth is probably that NYC has the highest death rate because it had the highest infection rate, and it had the highest infection rate because more infected people traveld there sooner than any other place in the country. The math says that it takes the same amount of time for 1 infected person to infect 1,000 people as it takes 1,000 people to infect 100,000 people. And as much time for 100,000 people to infect 100,000,000 people as it take 1 person to infect 1,000 people... The lockdown went into effect around the same time in many places, and a lot of those regions were a month behind the total # of infections that NYC had. And there's a lot of people who won't believe something is real until it effects them personally. I don't get my news from CBS. And if CBS and CNN have agendas and turn out BS journalism, it doesn't prove that coronavirus is BS too. Two things can be true at the same time. CBS and CNN can lie for their own purposes, and corona virus can be a real pandemic. It's not mutually exclusive. You know, that is some extrapolation. No one is saying people have not died of COVID-19. Pretty sure they have. People are saying that of the 70K listed as dying from COVID-19, it is possible that is not the correct number. The reason for this is the states (and Dr Birx confirmed this) have been listing people as having (with) COVID-19 as dying from COVID-19. Which could lead to erroneous numbers attributed to COVID-19. 20 minutes ago, meazza said: Staying inside is one method but were these people washing their hands and being cautious when coming into contact with relatives who haven't been home? What we are doing to our immune systems being locked down ... SMH. 2 2
Deranged Rhino Posted May 6, 2020 Posted May 6, 2020 15 minutes ago, meazza said: Dante. I missed that.
meazza Posted May 6, 2020 Posted May 6, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said: What we are doing to our immune systems being locked down ... SMH. Take vitamin D. Edited May 6, 2020 by meazza
Buffalo Bills Fan Posted May 6, 2020 Posted May 6, 2020 7 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said: You know, that is some extrapolation. No one is saying people have not died of COVID-19. Pretty sure they have. People are saying that of the 70K listed as dying from COVID-19, it is possible that is not the correct number. The reason for this is the states (and Dr Birx confirmed this) have been listing people as having (with) COVID-19 as dying from COVID-19. Which could lead to erroneous numbers attributed to COVID-19. What we are doing to our immune systems being locked down ... SMH. Sunshine is really helpful with this virus. vit D3 (from sun) really helps our immune system. 1
Motorin' Posted May 6, 2020 Posted May 6, 2020 5 minutes ago, Albwan said: Here's some of your rational people...thugs with tanks and guns drawn because of an open bar. Right, because militarizing the police force has been a wonderful idea! The party of law and order (as as long as it only applies to those people.)
Deranged Rhino Posted May 6, 2020 Posted May 6, 2020 Just now, Motorin' said: Right, because militarizing the police force has been a wonderful idea! The party of law and order (as as long as it only applies to those people.) The militarization of the police was a bi-partisan effort. But, details. 2
shoshin Posted May 6, 2020 Posted May 6, 2020 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Motorin' said: The virus is real. Rational people can disagree about the what they think the best course of action is. But there's a whole lot of irrationality at play, and dangerous people screaming about civil war. I don't trust anyone screaming right now, though they are the ones making the most noise. The majority of people fall into two reasonable groups, whose positions I can sympathize with. One group looking to delay opening up quickly because they want more assurance that this has passed and can still be controlled, or they want to make sure this shutdown is a one-time thing. And there is a group that wants to open faster and trust people to social distance as best they can because they are worried about the long-term consequences of tanking the economy being worse than continued shutdown. Both of the above seem reasonable and reasonable people can differ on how to enact policies to achieve them. Then there are people who think masks and closures are a slippery slope to a dream of Big Brother utopia. And there are people who think that one death is too many because reopening is driven by corp greed/Trump re-election. Those two positions take the oxygen out of this thread. Edited May 6, 2020 by shoshin 2 1 1
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