The Next Pandemic: SARS-CoV-2/COVID-19

[Kemp]

55 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

MILLIONS WILL DIE!

 

 

 

I think Joe is a random word generator consisting of about 13 words.

[plenzmd1]

19 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

Well helllllo there. ?

 

I aint italian, but i got the rest covered if ya interested!

[Foxx]

3 hours ago, Kemp said:

 

I disagree totally with your opening statement.

 

However, I am unclear why the best solution to the problem might not be to open up society with the proviso that everyone must wear masks when outside of their own private property.

 

The argument that that would remove individual freedom is wrong, because it's the same thing as the notion that you have the right to punch, but that right stops at someone else's face. 

 

People refusing to wear a mask are putting many others at risk and removing their freedom to go outside.

 

Isn't someone who refuses to wear a mask under the current conditions incredibly selfish. It's an attitude of screw you, I am all that matters.

 

Why wouldn't this be a fair compromise that would get the economy moving quickly and helping to keep the vulnerable safe?

 

[plenzmd1]

5 minutes ago, Foxx said:

 

Strangely, I don't have a problem with the masks. If it gets things opened up quicker, I all for it. Not sure of their efficacy, but dont care. 

 

Now, not sure how it gunna work at the bar i plant my fat arse at for 12 hours  next week when we open outside bars in VA...

 

 

[Boatdrinks]

1 hour ago, Kemp said:

 

I know of no right to not wear a mask that would save many lives. I also understand that it is imperative to start the economy.

 

Masks don't stop you from breathing or every surgeon would be dead. 

 

Before we made places handicap-accessible, the same attitude prevailed.

 

Asking people to temporarily wear face masks is not torture and it's certainly not at the level of making people risk their lives for merely going outside.

Forcing someone ( who may not even be infected) to wear a face covering is not comparable to having a handicap accessible ramp added to a physical structure. Where on earth did you get the notion that I implied a mask stops one from breathing ? I merely used the example to illustrate that sitting in an establishment without a mask is not infringing on anyone else’s rights. Then again, you thought Trump asking a question about “ is there any way we can...” was the same as telling people to inject themselves with Lysol. No, wearing a mask isn’t torture, but it’s an infringement of individual rights. You disagree and that’s fine. I won’t convince you and vice versa. 

3 hours ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

MTA to use ultraviolet lights to kill coronavirus on NYC subways, buses
 

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Transit officials Sunday announced plans to use powerful ultraviolet lamps to disinfect the agency’s trains, buses and work areas — a modern upgrade from the bleach and chemical sprays typically used for clean-up.
 

The technology is a part of the Metropolitan Transportation Authority’s beefed-up cleaning efforts during the coronavirus pandemic, and was born out of a partnership with scientists at Columbia University who were previously testing UV lights as a method to quickly kill other diseases in transit systems.
 

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They should have done this earlier. They now have blood on their hands, traceable to DiBlasio and Cuomo. 

[Foxx]

9 hours ago, plenzmd1 said:

Funny, wife and i were talking about this last night. In 2009, the IMHEsaid as many as 3-4M million would die worldwide from swine flu, and it would affect so many young people. Projected to sweep through schools like wildfire. Yet i don't remember any talks of schools being closed, and my kids would have been 10 and 8 at the time. I don't remember any talk of shutting the economy down. Now we have a visus that dispropotionally affects our older citizens, those often at end of life situations , and yet the response and fear seems driven by so much more fear.

 

Now, we had the IMHE model being pushed early, disseminated to vast majority of people via their preferred social  media feed, then their thinking being reaffirmed by whatever TV news they watched..CNN reafirming the worst case, Fox opinion folks denying it was anything at all, People dug in on both sides.

 

I think the big difference was social media. Twitter was in its infancy, barely anyone was using it outside bleeding edge adopters. Facebook was still centered around teenagers and very young adults. In my rather scientific conclusion?..i think it this virus happens before 2015, we would just be going about business. 

 

Some articles about the 2009 Swine Flu projections and such

 

https://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/08/24/us.swine.flu.projections/index.html

 

https://www.cato.org/blog/how-one-model-simulated-22-million-us-deaths-covid-19

let's go back in time a bit to... 1968.

 

in '68 we lived through what became known as the Hong Kong Flu Pandemic, or H₃N₂. it originated in China (Wuhan coincidentally enough) and lasted until '69/'70. during that time, 1mm people worldwide died, with 100,00 of them in the US. 

 

back then we didn't close schools, shutter people to their homes, ruin the economy and just generally induce a fear in the populace. hell, we had what can be considered the greatest get together of all time - Woodstock. back then men were men, women were women and sheep were sheep and we knew the difference. today, the snowflake gene has taken over, not just here in the states but across the globe. you have people clamoring with a, 'wear your face mask to protect me from you', 'we must track all people, all of the time' and, 'we can't open society, we will go extinct if we do' mindsets, with little evidence to support that mantra. we are still learning what exactly this thing is and probably will for some time.

 

there are many metaphors to describe what we are doing but two that come to mind are,  'shooting oneself in the foot' and 'cutting off your nose to spite your face'. time is going to tell just how disastrous the preventative cure (ruining the economy (where potentially millions are going to die because of)) will have been.

Edited May 6, 2020 by Foxx

[Buffalo_Gal]

2 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

They should have done this earlier. They now have blood on their hands, traceable to DiBlasio and Cuomo. 

It was only last week they stopped the 24 hour subway trains in order to clean the subway. 

[Boatdrinks]

23 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said:

Strangely, I don't have a problem with the masks. If it gets things opened up quicker, I all for it. Not sure of their efficacy, but dont care. 

 

Now, not sure how it gunna work at the bar i plant my fat arse at for 12 hours  next week when we open outside bars in VA...

 

 

It cannot and will not work at bars or restaurants. Just no way to not interfere completely with the experience, and people will not go. Many of these businesses will go under as it is; they won’t make it if customers are forced to wear masks. Perhaps people can sign a waiver to go in a sit down restaurant or a bar. 

[Foxx]

 

1 minute ago, Boatdrinks said:

It cannot and will not work at bars or restaurants. Just no way to not interfere completely with the experience, and people will not go. Many of these businesses will go under as it is; they won’t make it if customers are forced to wear masks. Perhaps people can sign a waiver to go in a sit down restaurant or a bar. 

people are going to people. the masks will fall to the wayside.

[Boatdrinks]

2 minutes ago, Foxx said:

 

people are going to people. the masks will fall to the wayside.

I sure hope you are right. Imo the masks are just the first step on the road to communism and tyrannical rule. 

[keepthefaith]

14 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

 

They should have done this earlier. They now have blood on their hands, traceable to DiBlasio and Cuomo. 

 

Yes.  Can you imagine if the fed gov had jurisdiction over subways what the media would be reporting? 

[Foxx]

was the 2003 episode of, The Dead Zone prophetic?

 

edited to capture the high points.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jY6-HvE5YdU&feature=emb_logo

 

Edited May 5, 2020 by Foxx

[Buffalo_Gal]

Trump on ABC (from Phoenix, this is not live):

70K deaths attributed to coronavirus
2K overnight
38 states opening

Muir: Biggest decision is reopening the country... How do you save livelihoods without losing lives?
Trump: Closing was my biggest decision.
Muir: Asked about Fauci, will lives be lost?
Trump: It is possible, but we will be social distancing, washing hands. People are dying the other way too.

Muir: Testing... should Americans who want to go back to work, should they be allowed to have a test?
Trump: Test if they want.

Muir: They can have a test?
Trump: They should have no problem getting a test.

Muir: What did you do to restock the cupboards that you said were bare?
Trump: We had things going on... Russia! Russia! Russia! then Ukraine! Ukraine! Then they impeached the President.

Muir: Cuomo says how much is a human life worth?
Trump: I'd have to see his full statement.
Muir: Cuomo said you have to be ready to turn the valve off.
Trump: We have to reopen, some people will not stand for this. We need to put out the embers.

Muir: John Hopkins said the death rate could double, UofWashington, said 135K... what do you make of this?
Trump: The models have been so far off...

Muir: Your own numbers have shifted.
Trump: They have.
Muir: What should Americans be prepared for as we head into the fall and could see a second wave?
Trump: It may be higher than 70K

Muir: Are you convinced we will have a vaccine by the end of the year?
Trump: I cannot be convinced of anything. I get reports daily. These companies are really working...

Muir: Unemployment question how bad will this get?
Trump: It is what it is. Even the Democrats are not blaming me for that, we had to close up the economy.

Muir: These families cannot afford to wait for the next quarter.
Trump: We have done a lot for that, PPP, stimulus, etc. We will probably do more.

Muir: People will look back and wonder what you knew, and when you knew it.  He asked him about the statement at the end of February (after saying he wasn't going to look back)
Trump: We have more cases because we have the most testing. (He is showing charts on how many people have been tested.) If we only tested 1M people, we would have less confirmed cases.
Muir: Was it an intelligence failure?
Trump:  I shut the border with China, and had to let 40K American citizen citizens back. I went against a lot of people, including Fauci, Birx, and closed the border. I do not want to be all doom and gloom. I want to be a cheerleader for our country.

Muir: About the 70K people who we have lost. He did the stupid Vietnam war analogy.
Trump:  Chatter about we love you... no matter how well we do next year, those people can never replace someone they love. I can't sleep at night thinking about it. But, we have to get the country reopened.

Nightline will have the extended interview.

 

Edited May 5, 2020 by Buffalo_Gal

[Foxx]

from the, 'in case you didn't know' file, comes the following...

 

Knock, Knock. We’re from the Government, and We Want Your Family’s Blood

Talk about creepy. The Georgia Department of Public Health has announced that it, the United Sates Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), and county health boards are together sending teams of government agents to randomly selected homes in two Georgia counties. These teams of government agents are charged with asking questions, including about household members’ health, and extracting blood from all the people living in the homes. The reason given for the home visits is — you may have guessed it — coronavirus.

J. Scott Trubey writes at the Atlanta Journal-Constitution that the government agencies are seeking the blood to test for “antibodies to the novel coronavirus to pinpoint who might have had COVID-19 and estimate how widely the virus has traveled.”

People who live at the 420 randomly selected homes are free, Trubey writes, to refuse the questioning and blood drawing by the government inquisition and phlebotomy teams that show up at their front doors. But, in reality, people often find it hard to muster the courage to say “no” to government agents who accost them in person “asking” them to comply. People are intimidated. They think that even if they say “no” the requested action will still be taken anyway plus they will suffer additional consequences for resisting. That aids police efforts both to get people to say incriminating things and to obtain “permission” to search people and property, even from people who know evidence of a crime is likely to be found.

A CNN report by Dakin Andone shows that the government teams knocking on doors are employing some of the look of cops in their effort to obtain maximum voluntary compliance. Uniforms, government badges, official letters are all part of the process, just like when cops show up for a home search holding a warrant. Andone writes: “Health workers conducting the survey have CDC vests and badges, the news release said, and are carrying a letter from the CDC and the Georgia Department of Public Health.”  ...

Edited May 5, 2020 by Foxx

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

3 minutes ago, Foxx said:

from the, 'in case you didn't know file' comes the following...

 

Knock, Knock. We’re from the Government, and We Want Your Family’s Blood

Talk about creepy. The Georgia Department of Public Health has announced that it, the United Sates Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), and county health boards are together sending teams of government agents to randomly selected homes in two Georgia counties. These teams of government agents are charged with asking questions, including about household members’ health, and extracting blood from all the people living in the homes. The reason given for the home visits is — you may have guessed it — coronavirus.

J. Scott Trubey writes at the Atlanta Journal-Constitution that the government agencies are seeking the blood to test for “antibodies to the novel coronavirus to pinpoint who might have had COVID-19 and estimate how widely the virus has traveled.”

People who live at the 420 randomly selected homes are free, Trubey writes, to refuse the questioning and blood drawing by the government inquisition and phlebotomy teams that show up at their front doors. But, in reality, people often find it hard to muster the courage to say “no” to government agents who accost them in person “asking” them to comply. People are intimidated. They think that even if they say “no” the requested action will still be taken anyway plus they will suffer additional consequences for resisting. That aids police efforts both to get people to say incriminating things and to obtain “permission” to search people and property, even from people who know evidence of a crime is likely to be found.

A CNN report by Dakin Andone shows that the government teams knocking on doors are employing some of the look of cops in their effort to obtain maximum voluntary compliance. Uniforms, government badges, official letters are all part of the process, just like when cops show up for a home search holding a warrant. Andone writes: “Health workers conducting the survey have CDC vests and badges, the news release said, and are carrying a letter from the CDC and the Georgia Department of Public Health.”  ...

 

Oh ***** no. Good luck trying that in my house.

[Kemp]

15 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

I merely used the example to illustrate that sitting in an establishment without a mask is not infringing on anyone else’s rights. Then again, you thought Trump asking a question about “ is there any way we can...” was the same as telling people to inject themselves with Lysol. No, wearing a mask isn’t torture, but it’s an infringement of individual rights. You disagree and that’s fine. I won’t convince you and vice versa. 

 

1. In an establishment it's fine not to wear a mask. I am talking about while walking around.

 

2. I never said or hinted that Trump told people to inject themselves. I said he wondered about whether it might be a strategy. The dispute comes as to how that unfolded.

 

Trump clearly turned to Dr. Birx to ask the question. He claimed he was being sarcastic and claimed he was talking to a reporter. Both parts of what he said were outright lies. Correct?

 

That an adult would even wonder if injecting bleach might clean the lungs is evidence that he is an idiot. Correct?

 

Yet, there will be no shortage of morons here who will say they believe his version because they will never admit he lies or that he is a dolt.

 

I asked this earlier. If you went to a doctor and he wondered about injecting poison in your body to clean your lungs, what would be your opinion of that doctor and would you ever go to him again?

[Albwan]

3 minutes ago, Kemp said:

 

1. In an establishment it's fine not to wear a mask. I am talking about while walking around.

 

2. I never said or hinted that Trump told people to inject themselves. I said he wondered about whether it might be a strategy. The dispute comes as to how that unfolded.

 

Trump clearly turned to Dr. Birx to ask the question. He claimed he was being sarcastic and claimed he was talking to a reporter. Both parts of what he said were outright lies. Correct?

 

That an adult would even wonder if injecting bleach might clean the lungs is evidence that he is an idiot. Correct?

 

Yet, there will be no shortage of morons here who will say they believe his version because they will never admit he lies or that he is a dolt.

 

I asked this earlier. If you went to a doctor and he wondered about injecting poison in your body to clean your lungs, what would be your opinion of that doctor and would you ever go to him again?

Did you happen to inject bleach? you seem to be stuck on two week old dnc talking points.

[plenzmd1]

32 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

It cannot and will not work at bars or restaurants. Just no way to not interfere completely with the experience, and people will not go. Many of these businesses will go under as it is; they won’t make it if customers are forced to wear masks. Perhaps people can sign a waiver to go in a sit down restaurant or a bar. 

agree, people will either chose to go to a restaurant or not, but i will not be wearing a mask at one. I will wear in the grocery or hardware store just to make other people feel comfortable.

[SoCal Deek]

17 minutes ago, Albwan said:

Did you happen to inject bleach? you seem to be stuck on two week old dnc talking points.

Hey! Where’s the daily running total death count for all that bleach injection we were told was going to occur? It should be in the MILLIONS by now...right? 

[shoshin]

4 hours ago, Reality Check said:

These viruses are RNA only not DNA. Your comparison is ridiculous. Learn the difference between RNA and DNA, then reevaluate your reasoning from scratch. Then we can take this conversation to another level.

That’s why I said DNA Specifically in my post talking about mammals and a bird. I was simplifying the analogy. 20% difference in a genome is huge (and I haven’t verified your 20% number because your argument is weak already). 
 

And you ignored the entire second half of my post where I pointed out the past promise and then failure of chloroquine vs other viruses, which Fauci would be well aware of and which Trump who thinks injecting surface disinfectants into people should be looked into because science may have overlooked it, would be ignorant of. 

Edited May 6, 2020 by shoshin