Reality Check Posted May 2, 2020 Share Posted May 2, 2020 36 minutes ago, Kemp said: Didn't realize you really thought Bill Gates was engineering the pandemic. I knew some Trumpsters believed it, though. Now you are projecting. Why are you afraid to take the vaccines? At the very least make sure your children get vaccinated. Don't let your own bad decisions hurt your children's future. I personally guarantee that nothing will go wrong.? You lack faith. I will pray for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted May 2, 2020 Share Posted May 2, 2020 24 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said: China did themselves no favors. They could have come out and said "we bad" blamed it on a bat (while the whole world knew they were lying) but taken ownership with a "mistakes happen." Instead of saving face, they look worse than a five year old boy blaming his older sister for breaking the window while a pile of rocks sits at his feet. They may be able to pay the "msm" to lie for them and blame the Wuhan Virus on Canada or the United States, but the whole world knows it was China, and most importantly, the leadership of the countries that were most impacted know it was China. Does that mean China pays a price? We will see. It may just mean they have to pay more payola to world leaders and "msm." Or, it means they really will pay an economic price. Certainly no one in their right mind could ever believe another word that comes out of Beijing (if they ever did to being with). We talking Trump or China? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted May 2, 2020 Share Posted May 2, 2020 1 minute ago, shoshin said: For some of those (heart attacks and strokes), they are brought on by activity and stress. Other things too. Those are the deaths that have been decreasing. You don't think there is an increase in stress on millions of Americans who are on lockdown, being told everyday that they could die from this virus, or who lost their jobs and are in trouble, financially? I'm sorry, this idea that Covid deaths are being under reported isn't supported by the numbers or by official statements of how they are being counted. 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted May 2, 2020 Share Posted May 2, 2020 3 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said: We talking Trump or China? Huh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedge Posted May 2, 2020 Author Share Posted May 2, 2020 35 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: So we've moved from the virus started in: Bats to Wet markets to Europe... Don’t forget the pangolins. They would never forget you. So sad ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted May 2, 2020 Share Posted May 2, 2020 1 minute ago, Buffalo_Gal said: Huh? Right out of Trumps playbook to never take responsibility or admit any kind of mistake. China just followed his lead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted May 2, 2020 Share Posted May 2, 2020 1 minute ago, plenzmd1 said: Right out of Trumps playbook to never take responsibility or admit any kind of mistake. China just followed his lead. Don't make me hate you. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted May 2, 2020 Share Posted May 2, 2020 1 minute ago, Buffalo_Gal said: Don't make me hate you. Just read that post of yours, substitute Trump for China... tell me where I am wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoshin Posted May 2, 2020 Share Posted May 2, 2020 13 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: You don't think there is an increase in stress on millions of Americans who are on lockdown, being told everyday that they could die from this virus, or who lost their jobs and are in trouble, financially? I'm sorry, this idea that Covid deaths are being under reported isn't supported by the numbers or by official statements of how they are being counted. Physical stress, as I'm sure you understood, is often the immediate predecessor to a heart attack. Read my post, the article in the link, or the paper within the article for info on the Covid undercounting problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kemp Posted May 2, 2020 Share Posted May 2, 2020 15 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: You don't think there is an increase in stress on millions of Americans who are on lockdown, being told everyday that they could die from this virus, or who lost their jobs and are in trouble, financially? I'm sorry, this idea that Covid deaths are being under reported isn't supported by the numbers or by official statements of how they are being counted. Some people have not a clue. They make things up, just like their master. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted May 2, 2020 Share Posted May 2, 2020 32 minutes ago, shoshin said: No. Hospitals are seeing much fewer deaths from heart disease complications and strokes while people sit at home. I have not seen the same evidence from cancer deaths decreasing. Yea, I am not buying that at all. But even if that is true, stands to reason those folks will be dropping like flies after sting on their ass eating takout and drinking a twelve pack everyday for 2 months 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted May 2, 2020 Share Posted May 2, 2020 2 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said: Yea, I am not buying that at all. But even if that is true, stands to reason those folks will be dropping like flies after sting on their ass eating takout and drinking a twelve pack everyday for 2 months I believe we need clinical trials to study that. 1 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted May 2, 2020 Share Posted May 2, 2020 3 minutes ago, Kemp said: Some people have not a clue. They make things up, just like their master. The irony in this statement is so high it broke the internet. 5 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted May 2, 2020 Share Posted May 2, 2020 (edited) 17 minutes ago, shoshin said: Physical stress, as I'm sure you understood, is often the immediate predecessor to a heart attack. Read my post, the article in the link, or the paper within the article for info on the Covid undercounting problem. I have read plenty of articles and I have listened to experts. If you want to believe that the absence of a decrease in all other deaths because of a lockdown means Covid deaths are being underreported, be my guest. The overwhelming majority of information does not support that conclusion. 16 minutes ago, Kemp said: Some people have not a clue. They make things up, just like their master. Edited May 2, 2020 by billsfan1959 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted May 2, 2020 Share Posted May 2, 2020 So heart attacks and stroke deaths have gone down dramatically because folks are sitting on their collective arse? Who knew? Car crashes have probably gone down precipitously as well. Wouldn’t have thought that sloth and being shut in all day were great for heart disease, but maybe we’re onto something with the lockdowns. If they were continued for a year, think of how many lives could be saved ! An area in South Florida reported they had no murders over a 15 day period , so we can reduce crime too. Seriously, though who in their right mind thinks that Covid 19 deaths are being undercounted ? Sound like leftist drivel, kind of like their Corona models that didn’t materialize. Meanwhile, in NY the Covid body count multiplies - Medicaid pays hospitals over twice the rate for Covid deaths as it does for any other cause. Something doesn’t quite add up, but we’re not undercounting Covid deaths. Doesn’t the left argue that the US has the worst numbers in the world with regards to the Wuhan virus ? Now the numbers don’t support continuing lockdowns, so we must be undercounting the death rate; ridiculous. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted May 2, 2020 Share Posted May 2, 2020 1 minute ago, Boatdrinks said: So heart attacks and stroke deaths have gone down dramatically because folks are sitting on their collective arse? Who knew? Car crashes have probably gone down precipitously as well. Wouldn’t have thought that sloth and being shut in all day were great for heart disease, but maybe we’re onto something with the lockdowns. If they were continued for a year, think of how many lives could be saved ! An area in South Florida reported they had no murders over a 15 day period , so we can reduce crime too. Seriously, though who in their right mind thinks that Covid 19 deaths are being undercounted ? Sound like leftist drivel, kind of like their Corona models that didn’t materialize. Meanwhile, in NY the Covid body count multiplies - Medicaid pays hospitals over twice the rate for Covid deaths as it does for any other cause. Something doesn’t quite add up, but we’re not undercounting Covid deaths. Doesn’t the left argue that the US has the worst numbers in the world with regards to the Wuhan virus ? Now the numbers don’t support continuing lockdowns, so we must be undercounting the death rate; ridiculous. We're all gonna die from the Wuhan Virus. Trust me. It may take eighty or ninety years, but the cause of death will be Wuhan Virus, or Wuhan Virus-related. 1 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoshin Posted May 2, 2020 Share Posted May 2, 2020 18 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: So heart attacks and stroke deaths have gone down dramatically because folks are sitting on their collective arse? Who knew? Car crashes have probably gone down precipitously as well. Wouldn’t have thought that sloth and being shut in all day were great for heart disease, but maybe we’re onto something with the lockdowns. If they were continued for a year, think of how many lives could be saved ! An area in South Florida reported they had no murders over a 15 day period , so we can reduce crime too. Seriously, though who in their right mind thinks that Covid 19 deaths are being undercounted ? Sound like leftist drivel, kind of like their Corona models that didn’t materialize. Meanwhile, in NY the Covid body count multiplies - Medicaid pays hospitals over twice the rate for Covid deaths as it does for any other cause. Something doesn’t quite add up, but we’re not undercounting Covid deaths. Doesn’t the left argue that the US has the worst numbers in the world with regards to the Wuhan virus ? Now the numbers don’t support continuing lockdowns, so we must be undercounting the death rate; ridiculous. You're missing the point. Reopening has to happen, and quickly, but the virus will be there and case counts will go up along with deaths when we do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted May 2, 2020 Share Posted May 2, 2020 The hospitals are hurting for money due to the shutdown of elective surgeries. After all, that is their money tree that supports the normal Medicare/Medicaid patients that they don't make a profit on. With the feds giving out a standard $13,000 for each Covid-19 death and a cool $39,000 if they were on a ventilator I can see where the cause of death is fudged. As it stands, every possible death that can be attributed to the virus is going to be done so. Therefore the death totals for Covid-19 are going to be magnified. 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kemp Posted May 2, 2020 Share Posted May 2, 2020 9 minutes ago, shoshin said: You're missing the point. Reopening has to happen, and quickly, but the virus will be there and case counts will go up along with deaths when we do. That's logic. Logic is frowned upon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted May 2, 2020 Share Posted May 2, 2020 7 minutes ago, shoshin said: You're missing the point. Reopening has to happen, and quickly, but the virus will be there and case counts will go up along with deaths when we do. I am in complete agreement that the virus will continue to be present and would expect case counts to go up. 1 minute ago, Kemp said: That's logic. Logic is frowned upon. It actually what many of us have been saying all along.... you must’ve missed it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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