Reality Check Posted May 2, 2020 Posted May 2, 2020 4 minutes ago, BillStime said: Sugar coat it any way you like... https://youtu.be/pg1gIHem758 1
Chef Jim Posted May 2, 2020 Posted May 2, 2020 23 minutes ago, BillStime said: More economic hits expected as 1 in 4 in Buffalo Niagara is unemployed MAGA!!! YAY!!! BEST NEWS EVER!! By the way. Please explain what this article has do so with MAGA. 15 minutes ago, meazza said: According to the article, before covid that area was booming. Sounds like an extremely poor, if not the poorest area. @Chef Jim thoughts ? ? ? ? I can never go back to the 716 now. That poor stank will follow me home. 2
GG Posted May 2, 2020 Posted May 2, 2020 57 minutes ago, shoshin said: Not surprising to most. The nearly nationwide shutdown had almost no effect on total deaths. You would expect a shutdown this dramatic to have a big effect on total deaths. That supports what other studies have been saying: We are massively undercounting Covid deaths. It’s probably the opposite in areas outside NYC. The chart above is inconclusive because there’s a huge lag in getting the right statistics to the NCHS. But the early April data suggests Wuhan deaths were running much higher than ordinary flu, pneumonia etc. It also shows that we hit a peak around Easter. The curve has been flattened, warmer weather is coming. Time to open up and build up the immunity. 1
3rdnlng Posted May 2, 2020 Posted May 2, 2020 26 minutes ago, Kemp said: What math do you use to determine the total deaths of something that didn't occur? How can one determine what would have been if no shutdown had been in place? Obama has the formula to use. We just need to get it from him. If I remember correctly it calculated "jobs saved".
Kemp Posted May 2, 2020 Posted May 2, 2020 You sure you didn't mean Vince Foster? 2 hours ago, Reality Check said: What sarcasm? Didn't realize you really thought Bill Gates was engineering the pandemic. I knew some Trumpsters believed it, though.
Deranged Rhino Posted May 2, 2020 Posted May 2, 2020 1 minute ago, Kemp said: You sure you didn't mean Vince Foster? What nonsense is this?
meazza Posted May 2, 2020 Posted May 2, 2020 33 minutes ago, BillStime said: Sugar coat it any way you like... Sugar coat what? You’re gloating because people are unemployed. Do you realize that this has happened everywhere in the world in the same manner? 1
Deranged Rhino Posted May 2, 2020 Posted May 2, 2020 1 minute ago, meazza said: Sugar coat what? You’re gloating because people are unemployed. Do you realize that this has happened everywhere in the world in the same manner? That would require him to have a fully functioning frontal lobe. Evidence points to the reality that he does not. 1
meazza Posted May 2, 2020 Posted May 2, 2020 Just now, Deranged Rhino said: That would require him to have a fully functioning frontal lobe. Evidence points to the reality that he does not. I thought he was a she.
Deranged Rhino Posted May 2, 2020 Posted May 2, 2020 Just now, meazza said: I thought he was a she. Perhaps? I think it's an old friend with a new name. One who used to name his handle after various founding fathers. 1
Buffalo_Gal Posted May 2, 2020 Posted May 2, 2020 8 hours ago, Hedge said: Updated numbers as of 05/01/20: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm Erm. This cannot be shown enough. 2
Deranged Rhino Posted May 2, 2020 Posted May 2, 2020 ************************************ Gee: So we've moved from the virus started in: Bats to Wet markets to Europe... Now back to the only place that ever made sense. Imagine how much ahead of the news cycle you can be when you think for yourself. 5 1
Buffalo_Gal Posted May 2, 2020 Posted May 2, 2020 1 minute ago, Deranged Rhino said: ************************************ Gee: So we've moved from the virus started in: Bats to Wet markets to Europe... Now back to the only place that ever made sense. Imagine how much ahead of the news cycle you can be when you think for yourself. China did themselves no favors. They could have come out and said "we bad" blamed it on a bat (while the whole world knew they were lying) but taken ownership with a "mistakes happen." Instead of saving face, they look worse than a five year old boy blaming his older sister for breaking the window while a pile of rocks sits at his feet. They may be able to pay the "msm" to lie for them and blame the Wuhan Virus on Canada or the United States, but the whole world knows it was China, and most importantly, the leadership of the countries that were most impacted know it was China. Does that mean China pays a price? We will see. It may just mean they have to pay more payola to world leaders and "msm." Or, it means they really will pay an economic price. Certainly no one in their right mind could ever believe another word that comes out of Beijing (if they ever did to being with). 3
shoshin Posted May 2, 2020 Posted May 2, 2020 7 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said: Erm. This cannot be shown enough. It shows the severity of the Covid impact on deaths. When you shut down the country, deaths should drop off a cliff. In this case, they didn't. We know heart disease, stroke, and other deaths are down...yet total deaths are level. That shows the brutal impact of Covid and why Trump says he did the right thing shutting down the country. GG is right that it's time to reopen, but whether the change in weather that should suppress spread offsets the increased transmission from more contacts remains to be seen. 1
Deranged Rhino Posted May 2, 2020 Posted May 2, 2020 2 minutes ago, shoshin said: It shows the severity of the Covid impact on deaths. When you shut down the country, deaths should drop off a cliff. In this case, they didn't. We know heart disease, stroke, and other deaths are down...yet total deaths are level. That shows the brutal impact of Covid and why Trump says he did the right thing shutting down the country. GG is right that it's time to reopen, but whether the change in weather that should suppress spread offsets the increased transmission from more contacts remains to be seen. Do we really though? 2 5
plenzmd1 Posted May 2, 2020 Posted May 2, 2020 1 minute ago, shoshin said: It shows the severity of the Covid impact on deaths. When you shut down the country, deaths should drop off a cliff. In this case, they didn't. We know heart disease, stroke, and other deaths are down...yet total deaths are level. That shows the brutal impact of Covid and why Trump says he did the right thing shutting down the country. GG is right that it's time to reopen, but whether the change in weather that should suppress spread offsets the increased transmission from more contacts remains to be seen. Wait, are you saying heart disease went away? I can see deaths by accident way down. But you think other non contagious illness like heart disease and cancer went away? 4 2
shoshin Posted May 2, 2020 Posted May 2, 2020 2 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said: Wait, are you saying heart disease went away? I can see deaths by accident way down. But you think other non contagious illness like heart disease and cancer went away? No. Hospitals are seeing much fewer deaths from heart disease complications and strokes while people sit at home. I have not seen the same evidence from cancer deaths decreasing.
billsfan1959 Posted May 2, 2020 Posted May 2, 2020 4 minutes ago, shoshin said: It shows the severity of the Covid impact on deaths. When you shut down the country, deaths should drop off a cliff. In this case, they didn't. We know heart disease, stroke, and other deaths are down...yet total deaths are level. That shows the brutal impact of Covid and why Trump says he did the right thing shutting down the country. GG is right that it's time to reopen, but whether the change in weather that should suppress spread offsets the increased transmission from more contacts remains to be seen. How in the world does a lockdown end deaths from cancer, heart attacks, strokes, suicides, vascular dementia, diabetes, etc.? The reason any of those would be down is if they are being counted as Covid deaths 5 2
shoshin Posted May 2, 2020 Posted May 2, 2020 5 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: How in the world does a lockdown end deaths from cancer, heart attacks, strokes, suicides, vascular dementia, diabetes, etc.? The reason any of those would be down is if they are being counted as Covid deaths For some of those (heart attacks and strokes), they are brought on by activity and stress. Other things too. Those are the deaths that have been decreasing. And then there's this: Not to mention the NYC morgue and burial/cremation issues in the place where it spread the most (as much as 20%). Should this spread to 20% elsewhere from the 1-3% it may be now, expect those areas to follow.
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