SectionC3 Posted April 30, 2020 Posted April 30, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, snafu said: I’m only replying to you — and this will be the last time I do on this subject. Who are these others? What am I saying to deceive them? Again you misuse the word hoax. Hoax. If you meant only to reply to me, then you should have used a private message function available through this site. The "others" are those who read your post. 25 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: We? Do you have multiple personalities? Are you referring to you and your alt identities? Inquiring minds want to know. I feel it only fair to warn you I am placing you on my list of people who make lists... Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. Edited April 30, 2020 by SectionC3
billsfan1959 Posted April 30, 2020 Posted April 30, 2020 5 minutes ago, SectionC3 said: Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. True, it can be. However, sometimes it can just be a form of mockery. In the end, we all know that, for you, it isn't really about "the truth," but rather "your truth," so, I will let you decide which it was Because I'm good like that... 1
Foxx Posted April 30, 2020 Posted April 30, 2020 Here Is the Bodycount the Imperial College Model Predicted for Non-Lockdown Sweden Next to What Actually Happened The same Imperial College Model which caused the UK and US to lock down I wonder how many people who claim that lockdown is essential to dealing with Covid-19 have actually looked at the original Imperial College report, which sparked the British Government’s decision [and also played a key role in influencing the White House] to shut down much of the economy and place the most draconian measures on the population ever seen. Had they done so, they might have been shocked to find that the modelling they used assumes the measures would be put in place for 5 months: “Suppression strategies are assumed to be in place for 5 months or longer.” (p. 6) “The blue shading shows the 5-month period in which these interventions are assumed to remain in place.” (p. 10) Would those who accepted lockdown as absolutely necessary have been quite so ready to accept it had they known that it would need to be put in place for 5 months? My guess is no, yet that is what “the science” they followed actually calls for. Of course it remains to be seen whether the Government will continue on this course, or whether most of the media and large sections of the public who demanded and welcomed the draconian measures are prepared to continue backing that particular horse, but if they are to be consistent and “led by the science”, as they have so far claimed, they are going to have to insist that lockdown should continue until late August, as the Imperial College model says it should. But as I have said repeatedly, I see no evidence for the necessity of lockdown, for two reasons. Firstly because the case fatality rate of Covid-19 does not warrant it (the evidence points to between 0.1%-0.5%, and a recent study from Stanford University suggests it may be between 0.12% and 0.2%). And secondly, because I have seen no evidence to suggest that a lockdown strategy makes any real difference in reducing cases and deaths. ... 1 4
SectionC3 Posted April 30, 2020 Posted April 30, 2020 51 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: ☝️ Can't dispute a single thing listed -- so doesn't try. Instead falls back on his tired (and unfunny) list schtick because he's a deeply unfunny and misinformed person. You assume the veracity of your theories in the first instance. I'm not sure that it's possible to disprove something that isn't provable. 14 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: True, it can be. However, sometimes it can just be a form of mockery. In the end, we all know that, for you, it isn't really about "the truth," but rather "your truth," so, I will let you decide which it was Because I'm good like that... Copying the libs to own the libs. Nice.
billsfan1959 Posted April 30, 2020 Posted April 30, 2020 3 minutes ago, SectionC3 said: Copying the libs to own the libs. Nice. 4d chess, my friend... 1
B-Man Posted April 30, 2020 Posted April 30, 2020 Nanotechnology may help fight deadly immune response to COVID-19.
Koko78 Posted April 30, 2020 Posted April 30, 2020 2 hours ago, \GoBillsInDallas/ said: https://nypost.com/2020/04/30/woman-falls-to-death-while-shooting-selfie-to-celebrate-end-of-lockdown/ I think the Darwin Awards selection committee will have their hands full this year. 2
Boatdrinks Posted April 30, 2020 Posted April 30, 2020 11 minutes ago, Foxx said: Here Is the Bodycount the Imperial College Model Predicted for Non-Lockdown Sweden Next to What Actually Happened The same Imperial College Model which caused the UK and US to lock down I wonder how many people who claim that lockdown is essential to dealing with Covid-19 have actually looked at the original Imperial College report, which sparked the British Government’s decision [and also played a key role in influencing the White House] to shut down much of the economy and place the most draconian measures on the population ever seen. Had they done so, they might have been shocked to find that the modelling they used assumes the measures would be put in place for 5 months: “Suppression strategies are assumed to be in place for 5 months or longer.” (p. 6) “The blue shading shows the 5-month period in which these interventions are assumed to remain in place.” (p. 10) Would those who accepted lockdown as absolutely necessary have been quite so ready to accept it had they known that it would need to be put in place for 5 months? My guess is no, yet that is what “the science” they followed actually calls for. Of course it remains to be seen whether the Government will continue on this course, or whether most of the media and large sections of the public who demanded and welcomed the draconian measures are prepared to continue backing that particular horse, but if they are to be consistent and “led by the science”, as they have so far claimed, they are going to have to insist that lockdown should continue until late August, as the Imperial College model says it should. But as I have said repeatedly, I see no evidence for the necessity of lockdown, for two reasons. Firstly because the case fatality rate of Covid-19 does not warrant it (the evidence points to between 0.1%-0.5%, and a recent study from Stanford University suggests it may be between 0.12% and 0.2%). And secondly, because I have seen no evidence to suggest that a lockdown strategy makes any real difference in reducing cases and deaths. ... These are the numbers we need to be looking at and then move forward. The lockdowns are ridiculous. In NY or example Cuomo was talking about contact tracing today. He stated that some 4,600 people tested positive yesterday. He wants to contact trace those peoples contacts for the past 14 days , then the next batch and so on. He calls this NYs “ best chance” and reopening. Did he say “ chance”? Ridiculous. Does tracing on that scale ( after the cat has been let out of the bag) sound even remotely possible to pull off ? Cuomo has gone off the edge. 3
snafu Posted April 30, 2020 Posted April 30, 2020 (edited) 55 minutes ago, SectionC3 said: Hoax. If you meant only to reply to me, then you should have used a private message function available through this site. The "others" are those who read your post. You’re really not able to tell me what my intention is when I’m communicating with you by replying to your posts. You’re projecting. That’s a bad look. I don’t care to use a private message with you. I also don’t care who else reads this. I’m not speaking to an audience, I’m responding to you. If I meant to direct my comments (meant for you) to the entire board, I would have used words like: “hey everyone”, or I would have commented about you to some other person. And again, I’m not trying to deceive you, so this isn’t a hoax. You keep using that word; I think it does not mean what you think that it means. Edited April 30, 2020 by snafu 1 1
Gary M Posted April 30, 2020 Posted April 30, 2020 1 hour ago, Tiberius said: Trump was given the intelligence briefings and still said it was no big deal, and Fauci contradicted the president, not agreed with him. Still haven't gotten a single answer from any of you guys that know so much!!! please explain in regards to the Kung Flu (aka Covid-19) 1: what actions POTUS should have taken 2: when he should have implemented each action, exact dates please 3: and what the key factor that would have triggered each action. Fauci did not contradict Trump, as a matter of fact he said it was no big deal. January - Watch Dr. Fauci Say Don't Worry About Coronavirus 1
Doc Brown Posted April 30, 2020 Posted April 30, 2020 2 hours ago, IDBillzFan said: I agree with this completely. An unfortunate truth about politics is while there are clear delineations between the right and left in this country, one very clear difference is that virtually ALL left-leaning women are butt-effin' ugly and right-leaning women are not. Where the right goes wrong is when they find a good-looking right-leaning woman who can speak effectively and passionately. They gather a decent audience, and the next thing you know, they're aligned with a group and making tours and speeches, even a Fox News segment, but without having been fully vetted. Candace Owens, Tomi Lahren and Kaitlen Bennett are perfect examples of this. They're cute and they're fun, but, y'know, their content is typically lacking once you scratch the surface. LOL. I never thought of it like that but you're right for the most part as far as media types go. I'd say that's by design as more males are Republicans. Krystal Ball and Alecia Menendez are the exceptions to that rule off the top of my head. 5 hours ago, meazza said: Yes Candace isn’t very good at all. I lost interest after listening to her on Rogan. I don’t think she’s into DMT. Tom Hanks virus. That’s awesome. I figure it's the least offensive name I could think of and nobody really took it seriously until he got it.
B-Man Posted April 30, 2020 Posted April 30, 2020 Despite Scare Tactics, No Wuhan Virus Spike After Wisconsin Election. “It seems at this point that the safest place to be is somewhere warm, or not-too densely populated, or not completely reliant on mass transportation. The worst place to be is any city governed by populist blowhard Bill de Blasio.” . 1 1
SectionC3 Posted April 30, 2020 Posted April 30, 2020 (edited) 42 minutes ago, snafu said: You’re really not able to tell me what my intention is when I’m communicating with you by replying to your posts. You’re projecting. That’s a bad look. I don’t care to use a private message with you. I also don’t care who else reads this. I’m not speaking to an audience, I’m responding to you. If I meant to direct my comments (meant for you) to the entire board, I would have used words like: “hey everyone”, or I would have commented about you to some other person. And again, I’m not trying to deceive you, so this isn’t a hoax. You keep using that word; I think it does not mean what you think that it means. Fake logic. If you meant to speak only to me, you would have private messaged me. Instead you published your comments to -- and therefore spoke to -- the "public." I appreciate you acknowledging your familiarity with the private message function; your knowledge of that tool further suggests that your refusal to use it in this context was intentional. Carry on. Edited April 30, 2020 by SectionC3
Doc Brown Posted April 30, 2020 Posted April 30, 2020 5 hours ago, plenzmd1 said: Doc, the problem as I see it is deaths attributed to the Flu have disappeared. A few days ago I posted the weekly influenza report from VA, where I live. Deaths were steadily rising through February and March, and hit 166 statewide deaths on March 23rd. Since that date, not one death has been attributed to influenza. as I mentioned in that post, I am not sure what that could imply or point to, but I am pretty sure the flu did not just go away on March 23rd. in that report as well, the number of influenza and Covid cases were each at just about 13k, 460 (appx) deaths Covid , 2500 flu, granted in much smaller time for Covid. What do this numbers tell us? I am not quite sure , which someone smarter than me could explain it. Here is the report https://www.vdh.virginia.gov/content/uploads/sites/3/2019/12/Weekly-Influenza-Activity-Report.pdf If you look at the trends from previous years and this year you'll notice a significant reduction in number of medical visits around the 13th to 15th week of the year for influenza. The chart is hard to read because it doesn't give you the date but just the number of weeks. It looks like on the report for March 28th there were around 123 or so flu deaths reported, April 4th there were about 130?, April 11th about 120?, and then it shot down to around 5 on April 18th as the weather got warmer. That's at least how I read it if I'm looking at the right graph. The graphs are poorly done if I'm looking at the correct one's. I'm sure some people who died from covid would also have died from catching the flu but that report doesn't tell me much to be honest. 1
plenzmd1 Posted April 30, 2020 Posted April 30, 2020 3 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: If you look at the trends from previous years and this year you'll notice a significant reduction in number of medical visits around the 13th to 15th week of the year for influenza. The chart is hard to read because it doesn't give you the date but just the number of weeks. It looks like on the report for March 28th there were around 123 or so flu deaths reported, April 4th there were about 130?, April 11th about 120?, and then it shot down to around 5 on April 18th as the weather got warmer. That's at least how I read it if I'm looking at the right graph. The graphs are poorly done if I'm looking at the correct one's. I'm sure some people who died from covid would also have died from catching the flu but that report doesn't tell me much to be honest. Great point on previous years. And i was reading the chart as straight down..which very well may be wrong and your intreptaion correct. Will keep digging a bit as I am bored ! Agree the graphs are very tough to read. 2
Doc Brown Posted April 30, 2020 Posted April 30, 2020 6 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said: Great point on previous years. And i was reading the chart as straight down..which very well may be wrong and your intreptaion correct. Will keep digging a bit as I am bored ! Agree the graphs are very tough to read. It will be interesting to see the national cdc flu reports this flu seasons though and compare it with the average. How many people that died from covid would've died from the flu anyways?
Big Gun Posted April 30, 2020 Posted April 30, 2020 Found this in my email today, interesting read. (This was forwarded from someone who lives in Alabama. It’s an expose’ from a group of fed-up doctors on the front line in West Alabama, including Dr. Dale Christensen and Dr. David Williams—it has incredible info regarding Covid-19 for all of us!) The Truth (And Lies)About Coronavirus This is being written on April 19, 2020. Although there is a central author, it's being written on behalf of multiple physicians in West Alabama and will be distributed through multiple medical offices. Between us we have well over a hundred years of practice and have treated hundreds of thousands of patients suffering infectious diseases. Including mission trips, we've treated patients on five continents. We planned this date for several reasons. First, most of our patients now realize there is something “funny” about the coverage and handling of this disease. Secondly, if it wasn’t being handled differently by April 19, we knew it would take action from us and our patients to change that handling. Finally, we were told in March by our state officials that experts predicted New York, Florida, Texas, and Alabama were projected to have the median most fatalities from the COVID-19 outbreak with the peak in Alabama expected to be April 19. On this date, Alabama was supposed to be on pace for 5,516 deaths and be short over 21,000 hospital beds. The information just listed, and every piece of information discussed below, can be verified with a quick Internet search. Many of the sources will be directly referenced. So here goes: TRUTH: COVID-19 is an actual medical disease that will lead to tragic deaths. Although this seems obvious, it should be clear that no one involved wishes to express anything but sympathy to those affected and their families. Respiratory failure is a terrible way to die. That’s true whether the death is due to asthma, COPD, pneumonia, influenza, smoke inhalation, cystic fibrosis, ALS, or COVID-19. LIE: “We don’t know much about coronavirus.” This is one of the media’s favorite lies. It’s much scarier if it is unknown. We know that coronavirus is a zoonotic disease. In other words, it’s natural hosts are birds and animalsas opposed to humans. We vaccinate domestic animals for them. We know that four forms cause colds every year. We know it mutates and evolves just like the flu. We know it sometimes becomes deadly as it has in SARS and MERS. We’ve done medical studies on coronavirus as a coexisting illness in patients in the past. LIE: “COVID-19 is more infectious than influenza.” This is one of two lies most often quoted by the millions who call national radio programs or post on social media. It’s amazing how many people with absolutely no medical training somehow feel qualified to comment on this disease. Now, we want to be more fair than the national media so we are obligated to report there will never be a study where 1,000 people eat after people with the flu and 1,000 others eat after people with COVID-19 to see which one is more infectious. But the evidence is overwhelming. COVID-19 was first identified late December/early January. A little over three-and-a-half months in, we have slightly over 2 million confirmed cases globally. By comparison, according to the National Center for Biotechnology Information (Google Influenza Update- NCBI), influenza is responsible for up to a billion infections annually. Flu season is basically from the start of October until April. At the flu’s three and a half month mark, that works out to 583 million cases globally. Even accounting for the fact COVID-19 is under-reported that is a HUGE difference . However, there is even further evidence influenza is more infectious. Drawing from our own (meaning everyone reading this) experiences, when influenza gets started in a daycare or elementary school, they often have to be closed for a short time because otherwise everyone gets it. All the kids, workers, teachers, and parents. The most students in one class we could remember was 23 of 25 out at the same time with the flu. Certainly, daycare classes in both Tuscaloosa and Jefferson counties have been closed this year. Contrast that to what you know about coronavirus. The NBA tested hundreds of players, staff, and media to come up with 14 cases. The vast majority did not contract the virus at all. The most extreme case in terms of possible COVID-19 exposure we could find was the aircraft carrier USS Theodore Roosevelt. If you have never toured a military ship, space is at a premium. Very tight and crowded conditions. Secondary to this, hundreds of crew would become infected. So 4,800 men and women were exposed to multiple individuals with the virus several times a day, day after day. Despite that constant exposure, 4,140 (or over 86%) of those sailors would never even contract the disease. To address the possible rebuttals, it is absolutely true we don’t know the true number of COVID-19 cases. It doesn’t make the average person under 60 sick so we will never account for all of those. However, it doesn’t even infect the average person with a healthy immune system who comes in contact with it, so the number can only be so high. It’s true that testing has not been available everywhere the entire three-and-a-half months but we are making up for that by testing generously now. Locally, DCH had tested 3,105 by April 17, 2,958 of which were negative. LIE: “COVID-19 is more dangerous than influenza.” The second lie of the medically uninformed. Even among those who do contract COVID-19, most under 60, including virtually everyone under 21, will never know they had it. On the USS Theodore Roosevelt, 60% were asymptomatic (showing no symptoms). Of the 2 million people who have tested positive for COVID-19 globally, most have had mild to no symptoms. By the three-and-half month mark of flu season, the flu had resulted in over 2 million severe cases requiring hospitalization. Influenza results in 290,000 to 670,000 deaths annually. COVID-19 deaths will be discussed below. LIE: “The fact one doesn’t know he or she has COVID-19 makes it more dangerous.” All viruses shed and are primarily spread while the infected host is asymptomatic. Repeat, all viruses do this. We use the term virulence to describe how dangerous a virus is. The more virulent, the more likely to cause infection or more severe symptoms . One’s chance of becoming infected with anything is multi-factorial. In other words, lots of things come into play. The infectiousness and quantity of the pathogen comes into play. Your level of rest, nutrition, stress, age, and general health come into play as well. In the case of influenza, if you contract it you are going to get sick. There will never be a time where the NBA tests hundreds of players and staff to find 14 cases of influenza – two with mild symptoms and twelve with no symptoms. If you get influenza, even if you are Michael Jordan (who had perhaps the most famous flu game of all time), you are going to know. That’s because the flu is so virulent that in 24 to 48 hours it overwhelms even the immune system of a healthy adult and you develop symptoms. But in that 24 hours it is multiplying, everyone around you is at risk. Depending on the exact exposure, the risk goes from high probability to certainty of contracting. For instance, if a high school student kisses their boyfriend or girlfriend during that day, they are getting the flu, period. But COVID-19 is so much less virulent it usually never overcomes the immune system of a healthy adult. Yes, they will spread this virus for up to 2 weeks, but most people around them still won’t get it. TRUTH: “COVID-19 is more dangerous to the elderly and immunocompromised.” That truth really doesn’t mean anything in and of itself because everything is more dangerous to those unfortunate individuals. It does mean we should try to protect those individuals from infections in general. TRUTH: “It’s now almost impossible for anyone in the general public or general medical community to know the actual number of deaths from COVID-19.” That is because sometime in March US hospitals started testing all ER patients and every patient who died, regardless of cause of death, for COVID-19. Those patients are being included by the media in COVID-19 death tolls. Yes, a victim of a car accident brought to a US ER who passes away will be tested for COVID-19. Two of the most egregious examples of misrepresentation involve infants. One of the fascinating things about coronaviruses from a medical standpoint is children are almost universally immune to deleterious effects. A study from back in 2004-2005 was conducted in which swabs were done in both controls and children hospitalized for respiratory illness. The incidence of coronavirus was the same for controls and hospitalized children and the conclusion was HCoV (coronavirus) infection was not associated with hospitalization or with increased severity of illness in those hospitalized due to other infections. (Search NIH if you want to review these findings.) Obviously, COVID-19 is not included in that study since it was first identified recently. However, COVID-19 has not been associated with pediatric illness anywhere. Not China, South Korea, Italy, or Spain. So on March 29 when BuzzFeed.News and an Illinois paper, The Guardian, led with the headline “The First Infant Has Died In The US After Testing Positive For The Coronavirus,” it caught our attention. The article goes on to say the infant’s death was announced by Governor JB Pritzker and, depending on which article you read, either Pritzker, or Dr. Ngozi Ezike, director of the Illinois Department of Public Health, said: “If you haven’t been paying attention (to COVID-19), maybe this is your wake-up call.” On April 2, CBS News reported Connecticut Governor Ned Lamont had announced “It is with heartbreaking sadness today that we can confirm the first pediatric fatality in Connecticut linked to COVID-19.” He went on to say it was likely one of the youngest deaths from the disease “anywhere.” The problem is neither death has actually been attributed to COVID-19. On April 3, the Hartford Courant correctly clarified that all patients who die in Connecticut hospitals were being tested for the virus, regardless of manner of death, and that Connecticut’s Chief Medical Examiner had not ruled COVID-19 to be the infant’s cause of death. Just yesterday, April 18, NBC 5 Chicago reported Chicago Department of Public Health Commissioner Dr. Allison Arwady said it is preliminarily believed the infant in Illinois did not die from coronavirus. New York is also a source of great misinformation. On March 22, Sky News ran footage of a hospital in Italy. On March 25, CBS This Morning ran the same footage. However, they claimed it was filmed in New York. Citizen reporters by the dozens have recorded empty testing tents and idle ambulance crews when the national media has reported hours long waits at the same testing sites and overstretched ambulance crews. (You should be able to find those videos at www.missdanaashlie.com.) On April 14, the New York Times reported New York City officials at the Health Department had increased its death toll by 3,700 who NEVER TESTED POSITIVE for the virus. They were simply “presumed” to have died from it. TRUTH: “The current policies instituted by our local, state, and national governments are causing greater health problems than the virus ever will.” According to the Wall Street Journal, 22 million Americans have filed for unemployment in just four weeks. When you consider spouses and children, it seems reasonable that some 40 to 70 million Americans would be affected by that number. Staying at home is not without consequence. Those individuals are at significantly higher risk of depression, suicide, domestic abuse, and other mental health issues. The stress is making them more likely to become ill from all manner of disease. Many have lost their insurance. Some will become divorced. Hundreds of thousands of medical procedures have been cancelled or delayed. There is another threat to our health. Rural hospitals have closed in large numbers in recent years. The situation with COVID-19 has placed many more community hospitals of all sizes at risk. Most are relatively empty and are bleeding cash. TRUTH: “The media as a whole has grossly misrepresented this disease.” We felt if we used the word “deliberately” we may have to present this as an opinion, but it sure appears deliberate. A couple of national examples include the CBS This Morning story referenced above and yesterday’s CNN story. The headline read “Jacksonville beach packed as Florida coronavirus cases hit record” and they ran a photo taken in the past of a Los Angeles County beach to show the crowd. Locally, on April 14, local news outlets used the headline, “Mayor Walt Maddox to Pitch Plan to Re-open Tuscaloosa on April 28th.” While not technically untrue, that sounds like the plan is to re-open the city on April 28th. In reality, it should have read, “On April 28, Mayor Walt Maddox to Pitch Plan to Re-open Tuscaloosa,” because no plan is even to bepresented until April 28. A Tuscaloosa News headline today read “Prison system reports COVID-19 death.” You had to read the article to find the 66-year-old victim was already terminally ill and had been hospitalized since April 4th in critical care for his preexisting conditions. He only tested positive on the last day of his life. OPINION: “The way in which the media has pushed fear nonstop amounts to psychological warfare against this country.” If it hasn’t occurred to you that we have heard one story and essentially one story alone for literally two months, well, that should have aroused suspicion. TRUTH: “The media will continue to fight reopening of this country by falsely stating “experts” predict a spike in deaths if we do so.” We would assume those are the same experts who initially predicted 2.2 million US deaths, revised to 200,000, then 100,000, then 60,000, then ordered testing all US deaths just in case they had coronavirus because we weren’t on pace for even 30,000 prior to that change in policy. TRUTH: “Not every country has shut down their economy, and none of those countries have suffered higher rates of death because they have kept their economy going.” One of the searches done prior to putting this together related to countries who kept their businesses open. One of the lowest mortality rates in the entire world is Japan, who fits that description. Looking for the country with the highest mortality rate and an open economy, we came across an article with a very liberal bent that described two Scandinavian countries. It described how uncaring Sweden was as it conducted business as usual while Denmark cared for its people and shut down. The expected mortality rate for Sweden was 69 per million whereas Denmark was 39 per million. If you take 69 and multiply it by 340 (for 340 million people in the United States) it comes out to 23,640, or about 15,000 fewer people than we are expected to lose to the flu this year. OPINION: “Medical organizations have failed this country.” Literally every doctor in America should know everything listed above. So why haven’t organizations like the AMA and AAFP, as well as state organizations, presented this information to their governors and the President? TRUTH: “China is involved, but not how you think.” We cannot tell you how many times people have expressed consternation about not knowing what China is hiding. Generally, they feel it is horrific death numbers or the genesis story of the virus. China withheld information about the virulence of COVID-19. They knew they had cases of asymptomatic individuals, possibly hundreds of thousands such patients. By not including this data it changed the mortality rate greatly . Initial terror regarding COVID-19 was a 4% mortality rate in China. Most would now concede the mortality rate is less than 0.2% given the high number of asymptomatic patients. Meanwhile, the Chinese are likely not unhappy with what is happening in America given their trade battles with President Trump. TRUTH: “The NBA cancelled their season voluntarily, with no external domestic pressures, and China is a huge market for them.” The NBA’s financial interests in China were threatened after a single tweet from Houston GM Daryl Morey in October supporting Hong Kong protestors. After literally a single runny nose, the NBA cancelled their season and proceeded to test hundreds of healthy individuals looking for COVID-19. We find it fascinating no one in the media, and certainly no one at ESPN, has asked questions about that behavior. TRUTH: “People are lazy, or they have an agenda.” Not only did the media not ask pertinent questions about the NBA, they have not reached out to knowledgeable health professionals even when they were provided the names and contacts of such individuals. If the narrative did not fit COVID-19 terror, it was ignored. We know this has happened both locally and nationally. Local, state, and national politicians have done the same thing. All of the information here is readily available. So if any elected official has said anything along the lines of “as a leader, I feel a responsibility to keep people safe,” to support restrictions on you or local businesses, ask that official what research he or she was basing his or her decision on. The general public is lazy. They read headlines. Grossly misleading headlines. So when you pass this on, you will have to insist people actually read the whole thing. TRUTH: “Amazon founder Jeff Bezos is making a fortune, and he wants you to stay home.” In addition to owning Amazon, Bezos owns the Washington Post. Just read any headline or article it has ever written regarding a plan to reopen the economy. Do with that information what you will, but we hope it means you stop ordering from Amazon and support local businesses instead. TRUTH: “COVID-19 has been treated like a world-ender; but it’s not even remotely close.” As mentioned earlier, it has infected just over 2 million people in the world. Not killed 2 million people. Actually, not even made 2 million sick. Just infected. So it is 76 million short of infecting 1% of the world’s population. It’s 998 million short of infecting as many as influenza has this year, the vast majority of which are sicker than the average coronavirus patient. The world has never shut down for any disease before. And it chose this one to do so? TRUTH: “Quarantine is a period or place of isolationin which people who have been exposed or infected with a contagious disease are placed.” The government has used “quarantine” to impose shelter in place on healthy individuals and close businesses. There are words for that, but quarantine is not one of those words. TRUTH: “This is not a medical crisis, but a political crisis.” There is a saying in politics, “never waste a crisis,” and this is apparently true even if the crisis is fabricated. We briefly debated leaving out politics, but the reality is most have already figured this out and there is no explaining the phenomenon that is COVID-19 hysteria without talking politics. In short, Democrats attempted to impeach Trump late in 2019 and failed. Shortly after a State of the Union address in which he touted considerable economic success, COVID-19 was made front and center by the media. Most probably feel both parties have failed us but there is no debating which party is most responsible for pushing the fear. Every time President Trump argues for reopening, the press and the Democrats gnash their teeth and talk higher death tolls. The governors of Illinois and Connecticut who incorrectly reported infant deaths are Democrat. Michigan governor Gretchen Whitmer, who has gone so far as to restrict her state’s residents from mowing their lawns and planting flowers, is a Democrat. Louisiana governor John Bel Edwards, who threatened to permanently take licenses from open businesses and organize a special police task force to arrest anyone in groups of more than ten, is a Democrat. Mayor Walt Maddox, Mayor of Tuscaloosa, Alabama since 2005, is a Democrat. He told us in March that if he did nothing Tuscaloosa County would experience 3,686 deaths due to COVID-19. Think about that for just a second. It was first identified in Wuhan, China, a city of over 11 million people. China has a population of 1.4 billion and at the time of his presentation, COVID-19 had killed a little over 3,200 in the entire country. Tuscaloosa County has a population of just under 184,000 and is considerably less densely populated than Wuhan, China. That number is not only meant to do nothing except incite fear but indicates a serious lack of insight and judgement. TRUTH: “The Alabama coronavirus numbers presented in the opening paragraph appear to be way off. We are nowhere near 5,000 deaths.” In fact, Alabama currently has only 4,700 total cases and 113 deaths. Tuscaloosa County has yet to experience a single death. DCH reports five or fewer inpatients in the ICU (they will only report units of five to protect privacy) being treated for COVID-19 with five or fewer on ventilators. Again, every such patient is significant, but we are thankful the numbers are so small. While we recognize some may feel those numbers are smaller due to social distancing and/or shelter in place orders, COVID-19 numbers have not been affected by those behaviors when compared to countries where they were not employed. TRUTH: "If you love your children, enjoy sports, or know anyone who owns or is employed by a small business you should be angry. Very angry." We can absolutely take steps to protect the elderly and vulnerable, but everything should reopen immediately. Millions of high school seniors have been deprived graduations and proms. Millions of high school athletes have lost their spring season. Thousands of NCAA athletes have lost the same. Some will permanently lose their programs altogether due to financial issues associated with the coronavirus response. Your kids are at home when they should be at school with their teachers and classmates. Your neighbors have been prevented from working and businesses built over decades or generations have been lost or threatened. Absolutely NONE of it was or is necessary. TRUTH: "Nothing will change unless it is demanded." Seriously, take this, forward it, re-post it, and act on it. It will have to happen nationwide. Call mayors, governors, representatives, senators. Call back the next day. Email them. Email these facts. Verify for yourself which facts you are comfortable utilizing. BE AGGRESSIVE! Call radio stations, TV stations, national news outlets. Send it to medical organizations like the AMA and AAFP. It needs to happen by the thousands. They clearly aren’t paying attention. Or they assume you aren’t.” 1
Tiberius Posted April 30, 2020 Posted April 30, 2020 Then there’s Vice President Pence, who set a horrible example by not wearing a mask while visiting medical staff and patients at the Mayo Clinic. First, he said he wanted to “look [patients] in the eye,” which would only have been a problem had he been wearing a bag over his head, not a mask covering his nose and mouth. Then his wife, Karen Pence, claimed the vice president was not aware of any policy, suggesting her husband failed to notice that every single individual inside was wearing a mask and that no one from the clinic told him about the rule (contrary to a Mayo Clinic tweet). As their performance gets worse and the coverage more brutal, their lies get lamer. ??
Tiberius Posted April 30, 2020 Posted April 30, 2020 1 minute ago, pop gun said: Found this in my email today, interesting read. (This was forwarded from someone who lives in Alabama. It’s an expose’ from a group of fed-up doctors on the front line in West Alabama, including Dr. Dale Christensen and Dr. David Williams—it has incredible info regarding Covid-19 for all of us!) The Truth (And Lies)About Coronavirus This is being written on April 19, 2020. Although there is a central author, it's being written on behalf of multiple physicians in West Alabama and will be distributed through multiple medical offices. Between us we have well over a hundred years of practice and have treated hundreds of thousands of patients suffering infectious diseases. Including mission trips, we've treated patients on five continents. We planned this date for several reasons. First, most of our patients now realize there is something “funny” about the coverage and handling of this disease. Secondly, if it wasn’t being handled differently by April 19, we knew it would take action from us and our patients to change that handling. Finally, we were told in March by our state officials that experts predicted New York, Florida, Texas, and Alabama were projected to have the median most fatalities from the COVID-19 outbreak with the peak in Alabama expected to be April 19. On this date, Alabama was supposed to be on pace for 5,516 deaths and be short over 21,000 hospital beds. The information just listed, and every piece of information discussed below, can be verified with a quick Internet search. Many of the sources will be directly referenced. So here goes: TRUTH: COVID-19 is an actual medical disease that will lead to tragic deaths. Although this seems obvious, it should be clear that no one involved wishes to express anything but sympathy to those affected and their families. Respiratory failure is a terrible way to die. That’s true whether the death is due to asthma, COPD, pneumonia, influenza, smoke inhalation, cystic fibrosis, ALS, or COVID-19. LIE: “We don’t know much about coronavirus.” This is one of the media’s favorite lies. It’s much scarier if it is unknown. We know that coronavirus is a zoonotic disease. In other words, it’s natural hosts are birds and animalsas opposed to humans. We vaccinate domestic animals for them. We know that four forms cause colds every year. We know it mutates and evolves just like the flu. We know it sometimes becomes deadly as it has in SARS and MERS. We’ve done medical studies on coronavirus as a coexisting illness in patients in the past. LIE: “COVID-19 is more infectious than influenza.” This is one of two lies most often quoted by the millions who call national radio programs or post on social media. It’s amazing how many people with absolutely no medical training somehow feel qualified to comment on this disease. Now, we want to be more fair than the national media so we are obligated to report there will never be a study where 1,000 people eat after people with the flu and 1,000 others eat after people with COVID-19 to see which one is more infectious. But the evidence is overwhelming. COVID-19 was first identified late December/early January. A little over three-and-a-half months in, we have slightly over 2 million confirmed cases globally. By comparison, according to the National Center for Biotechnology Information (Google Influenza Update- NCBI), influenza is responsible for up to a billion infections annually. Flu season is basically from the start of October until April. At the flu’s three and a half month mark, that works out to 583 million cases globally. Even accounting for the fact COVID-19 is under-reported that is a HUGE difference . However, there is even further evidence influenza is more infectious. Drawing from our own (meaning everyone reading this) experiences, when influenza gets started in a daycare or elementary school, they often have to be closed for a short time because otherwise everyone gets it. All the kids, workers, teachers, and parents. The most students in one class we could remember was 23 of 25 out at the same time with the flu. Certainly, daycare classes in both Tuscaloosa and Jefferson counties have been closed this year. Contrast that to what you know about coronavirus. The NBA tested hundreds of players, staff, and media to come up with 14 cases. The vast majority did not contract the virus at all. The most extreme case in terms of possible COVID-19 exposure we could find was the aircraft carrier USS Theodore Roosevelt. If you have never toured a military ship, space is at a premium. Very tight and crowded conditions. Secondary to this, hundreds of crew would become infected. So 4,800 men and women were exposed to multiple individuals with the virus several times a day, day after day. Despite that constant exposure, 4,140 (or over 86%) of those sailors would never even contract the disease. To address the possible rebuttals, it is absolutely true we don’t know the true number of COVID-19 cases. It doesn’t make the average person under 60 sick so we will never account for all of those. However, it doesn’t even infect the average person with a healthy immune system who comes in contact with it, so the number can only be so high. It’s true that testing has not been available everywhere the entire three-and-a-half months but we are making up for that by testing generously now. Locally, DCH had tested 3,105 by April 17, 2,958 of which were negative. LIE: “COVID-19 is more dangerous than influenza.” The second lie of the medically uninformed. Even among those who do contract COVID-19, most under 60, including virtually everyone under 21, will never know they had it. On the USS Theodore Roosevelt, 60% were asymptomatic (showing no symptoms). Of the 2 million people who have tested positive for COVID-19 globally, most have had mild to no symptoms. By the three-and-half month mark of flu season, the flu had resulted in over 2 million severe cases requiring hospitalization. Influenza results in 290,000 to 670,000 deaths annually. COVID-19 deaths will be discussed below. LIE: “The fact one doesn’t know he or she has COVID-19 makes it more dangerous.” All viruses shed and are primarily spread while the infected host is asymptomatic. Repeat, all viruses do this. We use the term virulence to describe how dangerous a virus is. The more virulent, the more likely to cause infection or more severe symptoms . One’s chance of becoming infected with anything is multi-factorial. In other words, lots of things come into play. The infectiousness and quantity of the pathogen comes into play. Your level of rest, nutrition, stress, age, and general health come into play as well. In the case of influenza, if you contract it you are going to get sick. There will never be a time where the NBA tests hundreds of players and staff to find 14 cases of influenza – two with mild symptoms and twelve with no symptoms. If you get influenza, even if you are Michael Jordan (who had perhaps the most famous flu game of all time), you are going to know. That’s because the flu is so virulent that in 24 to 48 hours it overwhelms even the immune system of a healthy adult and you develop symptoms. But in that 24 hours it is multiplying, everyone around you is at risk. Depending on the exact exposure, the risk goes from high probability to certainty of contracting. For instance, if a high school student kisses their boyfriend or girlfriend during that day, they are getting the flu, period. But COVID-19 is so much less virulent it usually never overcomes the immune system of a healthy adult. Yes, they will spread this virus for up to 2 weeks, but most people around them still won’t get it. TRUTH: “COVID-19 is more dangerous to the elderly and immunocompromised.” That truth really doesn’t mean anything in and of itself because everything is more dangerous to those unfortunate individuals. It does mean we should try to protect those individuals from infections in general. TRUTH: “It’s now almost impossible for anyone in the general public or general medical community to know the actual number of deaths from COVID-19.” That is because sometime in March US hospitals started testing all ER patients and every patient who died, regardless of cause of death, for COVID-19. Those patients are being included by the media in COVID-19 death tolls. Yes, a victim of a car accident brought to a US ER who passes away will be tested for COVID-19. Two of the most egregious examples of misrepresentation involve infants. One of the fascinating things about coronaviruses from a medical standpoint is children are almost universally immune to deleterious effects. A study from back in 2004-2005 was conducted in which swabs were done in both controls and children hospitalized for respiratory illness. The incidence of coronavirus was the same for controls and hospitalized children and the conclusion was HCoV (coronavirus) infection was not associated with hospitalization or with increased severity of illness in those hospitalized due to other infections. (Search NIH if you want to review these findings.) Obviously, COVID-19 is not included in that study since it was first identified recently. However, COVID-19 has not been associated with pediatric illness anywhere. Not China, South Korea, Italy, or Spain. So on March 29 when BuzzFeed.News and an Illinois paper, The Guardian, led with the headline “The First Infant Has Died In The US After Testing Positive For The Coronavirus,” it caught our attention. The article goes on to say the infant’s death was announced by Governor JB Pritzker and, depending on which article you read, either Pritzker, or Dr. Ngozi Ezike, director of the Illinois Department of Public Health, said: “If you haven’t been paying attention (to COVID-19), maybe this is your wake-up call.” On April 2, CBS News reported Connecticut Governor Ned Lamont had announced “It is with heartbreaking sadness today that we can confirm the first pediatric fatality in Connecticut linked to COVID-19.” He went on to say it was likely one of the youngest deaths from the disease “anywhere.” The problem is neither death has actually been attributed to COVID-19. On April 3, the Hartford Courant correctly clarified that all patients who die in Connecticut hospitals were being tested for the virus, regardless of manner of death, and that Connecticut’s Chief Medical Examiner had not ruled COVID-19 to be the infant’s cause of death. Just yesterday, April 18, NBC 5 Chicago reported Chicago Department of Public Health Commissioner Dr. Allison Arwady said it is preliminarily believed the infant in Illinois did not die from coronavirus. New York is also a source of great misinformation. On March 22, Sky News ran footage of a hospital in Italy. On March 25, CBS This Morning ran the same footage. However, they claimed it was filmed in New York. Citizen reporters by the dozens have recorded empty testing tents and idle ambulance crews when the national media has reported hours long waits at the same testing sites and overstretched ambulance crews. (You should be able to find those videos at www.missdanaashlie.com.) On April 14, the New York Times reported New York City officials at the Health Department had increased its death toll by 3,700 who NEVER TESTED POSITIVE for the virus. They were simply “presumed” to have died from it. TRUTH: “The current policies instituted by our local, state, and national governments are causing greater health problems than the virus ever will.” According to the Wall Street Journal, 22 million Americans have filed for unemployment in just four weeks. When you consider spouses and children, it seems reasonable that some 40 to 70 million Americans would be affected by that number. Staying at home is not without consequence. Those individuals are at significantly higher risk of depression, suicide, domestic abuse, and other mental health issues. The stress is making them more likely to become ill from all manner of disease. Many have lost their insurance. Some will become divorced. Hundreds of thousands of medical procedures have been cancelled or delayed. There is another threat to our health. Rural hospitals have closed in large numbers in recent years. The situation with COVID-19 has placed many more community hospitals of all sizes at risk. Most are relatively empty and are bleeding cash. TRUTH: “The media as a whole has grossly misrepresented this disease.” We felt if we used the word “deliberately” we may have to present this as an opinion, but it sure appears deliberate. A couple of national examples include the CBS This Morning story referenced above and yesterday’s CNN story. The headline read “Jacksonville beach packed as Florida coronavirus cases hit record” and they ran a photo taken in the past of a Los Angeles County beach to show the crowd. Locally, on April 14, local news outlets used the headline, “Mayor Walt Maddox to Pitch Plan to Re-open Tuscaloosa on April 28th.” While not technically untrue, that sounds like the plan is to re-open the city on April 28th. In reality, it should have read, “On April 28, Mayor Walt Maddox to Pitch Plan to Re-open Tuscaloosa,” because no plan is even to bepresented until April 28. A Tuscaloosa News headline today read “Prison system reports COVID-19 death.” You had to read the article to find the 66-year-old victim was already terminally ill and had been hospitalized since April 4th in critical care for his preexisting conditions. He only tested positive on the last day of his life. OPINION: “The way in which the media has pushed fear nonstop amounts to psychological warfare against this country.” If it hasn’t occurred to you that we have heard one story and essentially one story alone for literally two months, well, that should have aroused suspicion. TRUTH: “The media will continue to fight reopening of this country by falsely stating “experts” predict a spike in deaths if we do so.” We would assume those are the same experts who initially predicted 2.2 million US deaths, revised to 200,000, then 100,000, then 60,000, then ordered testing all US deaths just in case they had coronavirus because we weren’t on pace for even 30,000 prior to that change in policy. TRUTH: “Not every country has shut down their economy, and none of those countries have suffered higher rates of death because they have kept their economy going.” One of the searches done prior to putting this together related to countries who kept their businesses open. One of the lowest mortality rates in the entire world is Japan, who fits that description. Looking for the country with the highest mortality rate and an open economy, we came across an article with a very liberal bent that described two Scandinavian countries. It described how uncaring Sweden was as it conducted business as usual while Denmark cared for its people and shut down. The expected mortality rate for Sweden was 69 per million whereas Denmark was 39 per million. If you take 69 and multiply it by 340 (for 340 million people in the United States) it comes out to 23,640, or about 15,000 fewer people than we are expected to lose to the flu this year. OPINION: “Medical organizations have failed this country.” Literally every doctor in America should know everything listed above. So why haven’t organizations like the AMA and AAFP, as well as state organizations, presented this information to their governors and the President? TRUTH: “China is involved, but not how you think.” We cannot tell you how many times people have expressed consternation about not knowing what China is hiding. Generally, they feel it is horrific death numbers or the genesis story of the virus. China withheld information about the virulence of COVID-19. They knew they had cases of asymptomatic individuals, possibly hundreds of thousands such patients. By not including this data it changed the mortality rate greatly . Initial terror regarding COVID-19 was a 4% mortality rate in China. Most would now concede the mortality rate is less than 0.2% given the high number of asymptomatic patients. Meanwhile, the Chinese are likely not unhappy with what is happening in America given their trade battles with President Trump. TRUTH: “The NBA cancelled their season voluntarily, with no external domestic pressures, and China is a huge market for them.” The NBA’s financial interests in China were threatened after a single tweet from Houston GM Daryl Morey in October supporting Hong Kong protestors. After literally a single runny nose, the NBA cancelled their season and proceeded to test hundreds of healthy individuals looking for COVID-19. We find it fascinating no one in the media, and certainly no one at ESPN, has asked questions about that behavior. TRUTH: “People are lazy, or they have an agenda.” Not only did the media not ask pertinent questions about the NBA, they have not reached out to knowledgeable health professionals even when they were provided the names and contacts of such individuals. If the narrative did not fit COVID-19 terror, it was ignored. We know this has happened both locally and nationally. Local, state, and national politicians have done the same thing. All of the information here is readily available. So if any elected official has said anything along the lines of “as a leader, I feel a responsibility to keep people safe,” to support restrictions on you or local businesses, ask that official what research he or she was basing his or her decision on. The general public is lazy. They read headlines. Grossly misleading headlines. So when you pass this on, you will have to insist people actually read the whole thing. TRUTH: “Amazon founder Jeff Bezos is making a fortune, and he wants you to stay home.” In addition to owning Amazon, Bezos owns the Washington Post. Just read any headline or article it has ever written regarding a plan to reopen the economy. Do with that information what you will, but we hope it means you stop ordering from Amazon and support local businesses instead. TRUTH: “COVID-19 has been treated like a world-ender; but it’s not even remotely close.” As mentioned earlier, it has infected just over 2 million people in the world. Not killed 2 million people. Actually, not even made 2 million sick. Just infected. So it is 76 million short of infecting 1% of the world’s population. It’s 998 million short of infecting as many as influenza has this year, the vast majority of which are sicker than the average coronavirus patient. The world has never shut down for any disease before. And it chose this one to do so? TRUTH: “Quarantine is a period or place of isolationin which people who have been exposed or infected with a contagious disease are placed.” The government has used “quarantine” to impose shelter in place on healthy individuals and close businesses. There are words for that, but quarantine is not one of those words. TRUTH: “This is not a medical crisis, but a political crisis.” There is a saying in politics, “never waste a crisis,” and this is apparently true even if the crisis is fabricated. We briefly debated leaving out politics, but the reality is most have already figured this out and there is no explaining the phenomenon that is COVID-19 hysteria without talking politics. In short, Democrats attempted to impeach Trump late in 2019 and failed. Shortly after a State of the Union address in which he touted considerable economic success, COVID-19 was made front and center by the media. Most probably feel both parties have failed us but there is no debating which party is most responsible for pushing the fear. Every time President Trump argues for reopening, the press and the Democrats gnash their teeth and talk higher death tolls. The governors of Illinois and Connecticut who incorrectly reported infant deaths are Democrat. Michigan governor Gretchen Whitmer, who has gone so far as to restrict her state’s residents from mowing their lawns and planting flowers, is a Democrat. Louisiana governor John Bel Edwards, who threatened to permanently take licenses from open businesses and organize a special police task force to arrest anyone in groups of more than ten, is a Democrat. Mayor Walt Maddox, Mayor of Tuscaloosa, Alabama since 2005, is a Democrat. He told us in March that if he did nothing Tuscaloosa County would experience 3,686 deaths due to COVID-19. Think about that for just a second. It was first identified in Wuhan, China, a city of over 11 million people. China has a population of 1.4 billion and at the time of his presentation, COVID-19 had killed a little over 3,200 in the entire country. Tuscaloosa County has a population of just under 184,000 and is considerably less densely populated than Wuhan, China. That number is not only meant to do nothing except incite fear but indicates a serious lack of insight and judgement. TRUTH: “The Alabama coronavirus numbers presented in the opening paragraph appear to be way off. We are nowhere near 5,000 deaths.” In fact, Alabama currently has only 4,700 total cases and 113 deaths. Tuscaloosa County has yet to experience a single death. DCH reports five or fewer inpatients in the ICU (they will only report units of five to protect privacy) being treated for COVID-19 with five or fewer on ventilators. Again, every such patient is significant, but we are thankful the numbers are so small. While we recognize some may feel those numbers are smaller due to social distancing and/or shelter in place orders, COVID-19 numbers have not been affected by those behaviors when compared to countries where they were not employed. TRUTH: "If you love your children, enjoy sports, or know anyone who owns or is employed by a small business you should be angry. Very angry." We can absolutely take steps to protect the elderly and vulnerable, but everything should reopen immediately. Millions of high school seniors have been deprived graduations and proms. Millions of high school athletes have lost their spring season. Thousands of NCAA athletes have lost the same. Some will permanently lose their programs altogether due to financial issues associated with the coronavirus response. Your kids are at home when they should be at school with their teachers and classmates. Your neighbors have been prevented from working and businesses built over decades or generations have been lost or threatened. Absolutely NONE of it was or is necessary. TRUTH: "Nothing will change unless it is demanded." Seriously, take this, forward it, re-post it, and act on it. It will have to happen nationwide. Call mayors, governors, representatives, senators. Call back the next day. Email them. Email these facts. Verify for yourself which facts you are comfortable utilizing. BE AGGRESSIVE! Call radio stations, TV stations, national news outlets. Send it to medical organizations like the AMA and AAFP. It needs to happen by the thousands. They clearly aren’t paying attention. Or they assume you aren’t.” Be aggressive!
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