SectionC3 Posted April 24, 2020 Posted April 24, 2020 Just now, Buffalo_Gal said: I'm bailing at 7. I hope he doesn't say anything "good" after that. I wouldn’t sweat it. He probably moved it up a bit so he can catch the draft, too.
keepthefaith Posted April 24, 2020 Posted April 24, 2020 1 minute ago, Q-baby! said: I’m going to PVR the Dr.Trump schitshow so I can laugh later. ? More likely PBR for you.
oldmanfan Posted April 24, 2020 Posted April 24, 2020 2 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: Ask the people it has helped. If in fact it did. Science. Docs are prescribing it based on compassionate care. I get that. And I hope it truly is a cure. But I also feel for patients who died or got significant side effects from the drug that may have fought it off without the drug. 1
Scraps Posted April 24, 2020 Posted April 24, 2020 34 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: Certain media outlets decided not to cover the briefings live and to just report on what they think is important. In other words they want to censure everything that won't make Trump look bad. Coincidentally this decision was made when Trump's popularity started to go up. Those media outlets thought that the briefings were taking the place of Trump's rallies. Given the way he lectures the media on how to ask questions, it appears he wants confrontation to placate his base. He provides quite a bit of mixed messaging and nutty ideas. Remember how he wanted to economy open by Easter with the pews in the churches packed shoulder to shoulder? I thought that was the most irresponsible thing a President has ever said but he topped that yesterday with the disinfectant injections. 1
Q-baby! Posted April 24, 2020 Posted April 24, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, keepthefaith said: More likely PBR for you. I drink the good stuff. I’m not a college student. Edited April 24, 2020 by Q-baby!
CommonCents Posted April 24, 2020 Posted April 24, 2020 3 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: If in fact it did. Science. Docs are prescribing it based on compassionate care. I get that. And I hope it truly is a cure. But I also feel for patients who died or got significant side effects from the drug that may have fought it off without the drug. Docs at Boston Medical Center believe it’s worth the risk and have been using since day 1. We would be hard pressed to find anyone more qualified than any of them on this board. I think we can all say, we hope it helps because too many people are dying. 1
Scraps Posted April 24, 2020 Posted April 24, 2020 Just now, CommonCents said: Docs at Boston Medical Center believe it’s worth the risk and have been using since day 1. We would be hard pressed to find anyone more qualified than any of them on this board. I think we can all say, we hope it helps because too many people are dying. Yes but there are other treatments that could help but can't be reasonably tested because everyone wants hydroxychloroquine.
Deranged Rhino Posted April 24, 2020 Posted April 24, 2020 7 minutes ago, Scraps said: Given the way he lectures the media on how to ask questions, it appears he wants confrontation to placate his base. He provides quite a bit of mixed messaging and nutty ideas. Remember how he wanted to economy open by Easter with the pews in the churches packed shoulder to shoulder? I thought that was the most irresponsible thing a President has ever said but he topped that yesterday with the disinfectant injections. You just keep proving you're a victim of the media spin, rather than an honest observer of events. Trump said he hoped to be open by Easter, because it would be a powerful image considering the holiday itself. That's miles away from the implication you're making. 1
CommonCents Posted April 24, 2020 Posted April 24, 2020 Just now, Scraps said: Yes but there are other treatments that could help but can't be reasonably tested because everyone wants hydroxychloroquine. I have zero interest in telling someone who is dying what they should or shouldn’t do. The best Docs in the world went with X I’m taking X. If someone wants to try Y and their doctor will allow it then sure go for it. 1 1
Buffalo_Gal Posted April 24, 2020 Posted April 24, 2020 Just now, Deranged Rhino said: You just keep proving you're a victim of the media spin, rather than an honest observer of events. Trump said he hoped to be open by Easter, because it would be a powerful image considering the holiday itself. That's miles away from the implication you're making. There is a reason he uses so many qualifiers... could, maybe, possibly, and it is not because we have an honest media. 1
oldmanfan Posted April 24, 2020 Posted April 24, 2020 1 minute ago, CommonCents said: Docs at Boston Medical Center believe it’s worth the risk and have been using since day 1. We would be hard pressed to find anyone more qualified than any of them on this board. I think we can all say, we hope it helps because too many people are dying. It’s a benefit/risk thing. I know docs that prescribe and I know docs that don’t. It would be interesting to know what characteristics are for the patients in Boston. Are they prescribing early? Late? Everyone? Only young patients or old? The advantage of a good clinical trial is to eliminate variables that can confound results.
Buffalo_Gal Posted April 24, 2020 Posted April 24, 2020 Just now, oldmanfan said: It’s a benefit/risk thing. I know docs that prescribe and I know docs that don’t. It would be interesting to know what characteristics are for the patients in Boston. Are they prescribing early? Late? Everyone? Only young patients or old? The advantage of a good clinical trial is to eliminate variables that can confound results. Question... how long would a "good clinical trial" take at this point?
BillStime Posted April 24, 2020 Posted April 24, 2020 2 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: You just keep proving you're a victim of the media spin, rather than an honest observer of events. Trump said he hoped to be open by Easter, because it would be a powerful image considering the holiday itself. That's miles away from the implication you're making. Delusional Rhino is indeed the Trump whisperer. 1
Deranged Rhino Posted April 24, 2020 Posted April 24, 2020 I'll put the link here (so I can find it after the draft) 1
CommonCents Posted April 24, 2020 Posted April 24, 2020 1 minute ago, oldmanfan said: It’s a benefit/risk thing. I know docs that prescribe and I know docs that don’t. It would be interesting to know what characteristics are for the patients in Boston. Are they prescribing early? Late? Everyone? Only young patients or old? The advantage of a good clinical trial is to eliminate variables that can confound results. You weren’t in the discussion when thing first broke out so I will repeat. The Friday after the NBA thing happened and this all became real a doctor from BMC did an interview saying they were giving it to anyone even suspected of having it upon arrival. The doctor could barely contain her smile. It’s probably the closest thing I have seen to a smile in the past 5 weeks. 1
Deranged Rhino Posted April 24, 2020 Posted April 24, 2020 2 minutes ago, BillStime said: Delusional Rhino is indeed the Trump whisperer. If that means I can discern what's said versus what's spun by a (proven) dishonest establishment media complex, then I agree. 1
BillStime Posted April 24, 2020 Posted April 24, 2020 1 minute ago, Deranged Rhino said: If that means I can discern what's said versus what's spun by a (proven) dishonest establishment media complex, then I agree. That's the thing - we don't need to hear it from the media - Trump does it on his own EACH night. These briefings are doing him NO favors; especially for anyone who could possibly be undecided.
oldmanfan Posted April 24, 2020 Posted April 24, 2020 1 minute ago, Buffalo_Gal said: Question... how long would a "good clinical trial" take at this point? Depends on how many centers you can get. Ideally you want to do a double blinded placebo controlled study. You’d have to do careful matching of subjects and controls, matching things like age, gender, clinical symptoms (like only including patients on ventilators) etc. If you could get a number of centers together you could get it done pretty quickly given the prevalence of the disease. Maybe within a month of two. The real issue would be getting informed consent and buy in from patients to participate. Patients would probably not want to be in the control group. 3 minutes ago, CommonCents said: You weren’t in the discussion when thing first broke out so I will repeat. The Friday after the NBA thing happened and this all became real a doctor from BMC did an interview saying they were giving it to anyone even suspected of having it upon arrival. The doctor could barely contain her smile. It’s probably the closest thing I have seen to a smile in the past 5 weeks. I don’t blame them. I get it. But by doing so it negates being able to show any real effect. 3 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: If that means I can discern what's said versus what's spun by a (proven) dishonest establishment media complex, then I agree. We are watching and hearing his exact words. 1
Deranged Rhino Posted April 24, 2020 Posted April 24, 2020 2 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: We are watching and hearing his exact words. And yet you've spent hours going out of your way to misquote him today.
Buffalo_Gal Posted April 24, 2020 Posted April 24, 2020 2 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: Depends on how many centers you can get. Ideally you want to do a double blinded placebo controlled study. You’d have to do careful matching of subjects and controls, matching things like age, gender, clinical symptoms (like only including patients on ventilators) etc. If you could get a number of centers together you could get it done pretty quickly given the prevalence of the disease. Maybe within a month of two. The real issue would be getting informed consent and buy in from patients to participate. Patients would probably not want to be in the control group. I don’t blame them. I get it. But by doing so it negates being able to show any real effect. We are watching and hearing his exact words. So, what do you say to the people who are sick now and can benefit from the treatment? I do appreciate the response, and I understand the desire for trials (and I do not disagree with that). However, it is probably not something someone worried about dying today is willing to volunteer to wait on.
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