The Next Pandemic: SARS-CoV-2/COVID-19

[Scraps]

12 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

It saved Rita Wilson's life (and countless others). So, you know, pretty well. 

How do you know this?  According to a VA study, it is ineffective and resulted in a higher death rate.  Are you sure it hasn't killed more people?

 

https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/929253

[Warren Zevon]

1 minute ago, SectionC3 said:

 

Honestly I wouldn't.  I consider it a waste to devote approximately 10% of the time he could spend dealing with this issue to sparring with the media about nonsense and then analyzing the presser thereafter.  It's obvious that the most important public education tool of the pressers isn't to provide information about the virus response, it's to provide information about Donald J. Trump.  

 

Now that you're on the sheep list it's hard to take anything you say seriously.  We can work together to get you off of that list, but it's going to take time.  And name-calling isn't going to help.  

 

Westside is Lamb Chop 

[SectionC3]

1 hour ago, 3rdnlng said:

Obviously you don't like Trump. Think about this though_____________________he's never worn fake eyebrows and/or dressed up like the Village People. 

 

The red hats that he wears are pretty dumb, though. 

1 minute ago, Scraps said:

How do you know this?  According to a VA study, it is ineffective and resulted in a higher death rate.  Are you sure it hasn't killed more people?

 

https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/929253

 

Fake science. /end sarcasm. 

[Deranged Rhino]

Just now, Scraps said:

How do you know this?  According to a VA study, it is ineffective and resulted in a higher death rate.  Are you sure it hasn't killed more people?

 

https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/929253

 

Because she said so. As did many other people. 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2020/apr/17/rita-wilson-tom-hanks-coronavirus-choloroquine-covid

https://nypost.com/2020/04/07/michigan-democrat-says-hydroxychloroquine-saved-her-life/

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/mar/22/daniel-dae-kim-credits-hydroxychloroquine-coronavi/

[Buffalo_Gal]

Ultraviolet light irradiation has been around since the '40s? I did not know that. the paper is on the Nih website, and it gets into the weeds for a layperson (that would be me), but it is interesting nevertheless.
 

 

 

[Warren Zevon]

Prophetic

 

[Franco_92]

17 minutes ago, Scraps said:

How's that hydroxychloroquine working out?

Not sure how this is related, but I don't have any take on hydroxywhatever - I know less than zero about the medical field. From what I've seen, there hasn't been enough time for the true beefy trials with proper controls and peer review to allow me to safely say anything about it. Like I've implied, I'm uninterested in the hour-by-hour "bad drumpf!" Attempts that comprise the bulk of this thread, and courtesy of the institutions mentioned in my post, the bulk of mainstream political discourse these days. Because it's proven to not be as cataclysmic as I was programmed to fear, and to not be much of a problem at all. I'm much more focused on broad ideas and philosophies, and taking our great nation down the correct path from here (or really, at this point, just staving off the overwhelming pull in the wrong direction, which will be how I view my 2020 Trump vote)

 

so yeah, idgaf about chloroquine

[SectionC3]

40 minutes ago, BillsFanNC said:

 He absolutely does, I'm not going to defend the lack of scientific acumen on display from our President.  But at the same time might a better follow up question from the reporter been to simply ask him what he meant when he said disinfectant? If then Trump himself actually used the word "bleach" then I'd think wed be onto something with this shitstorm today.

 

 

 

If we're going to play the semantics game, let's settle on what Trump said.  I'll paraphrase.  I'm going to ask doctors to research the efficacy of applying surface disinfectant to human internal organs.  

 

This was said during a pandemic.  By the person with "absolute authority" to lead the response to the pandemic.  

 

If that's acceptable to you, or if that inspires confidence in you, then there's no point in arguing.  We just agree to disagree. 

[Franco_92]

1 minute ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

Ultraviolet light irradiation has been around since the '40s? I did not know that. the paper is on the Nih website, and it gets into the weeds for a layperson (that would be me), but it is interesting nevertheless.
 

 

 

Careful - any reference to Tesla that doesn't bore a layperson is almost invariably quack

[SectionC3]

2 minutes ago, Warren Zevon said:

Prophetic

 

 

Almost like a Noah's ark of silver bullets.  Nice. 

[Scraps]

1 minute ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

Because she said so. As did many other people. 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2020/apr/17/rita-wilson-tom-hanks-coronavirus-choloroquine-covid

https://nypost.com/2020/04/07/michigan-democrat-says-hydroxychloroquine-saved-her-life/

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/mar/22/daniel-dae-kim-credits-hydroxychloroquine-coronavi/

Anecdotal evidence over a clinical trial?

 

Tell me, if some doctor asked you to be part of a clinical trial where you might get injected with disinfectant, would your answer be "hell no, I don't want to run the risk of getting stuck with the placebo"?

[Buffalo_Gal]

19 minutes ago, arcane said:

Careful - any reference to Tesla that doesn't bore a layperson is almost invariably quack

Sorry!

I was simply pointing out that it has been used in the past. Whether it was used successfully or commonly in the '40s or '50s, I do not know. But it isn't some new idea that has been heard of before.

 

Edited April 24, 2020 by Buffalo_Gal

[Magox]

I said years ago that Trump supporters would need to get twisted into a pretzel trying to explain his words.

 

The same holds true today.  But it goes back to that Salena Zito article where she discussed his appeal. Foreseeing his 2016 victory when few others in the press did.

 

Quote

 "The press takes him literally, but not seriously; his supporters take him seriously, but not literally."

 

 

Yesterday's goofy thing that Trump said is a perfect example of that.    Reasonable people know that he wasn't advocating for people to ingest disinfectants, he just was pontificating aloud on something goofy.

[Deranged Rhino]

Just now, Scraps said:

Anecdotal evidence over a clinical trial?

 

Clinical trials are ongoing. 

 

But you knew that, right?

[SectionC3]

3 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

Because she said so. As did many other people. 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2020/apr/17/rita-wilson-tom-hanks-coronavirus-choloroquine-covid

https://nypost.com/2020/04/07/michigan-democrat-says-hydroxychloroquine-saved-her-life/

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/mar/22/daniel-dae-kim-credits-hydroxychloroquine-coronavi/

 

I thought MSM outlets were fake news?

Just now, Magox said:

I said years ago that Trump supporters would need to get twisted into a pretzel trying to explain his words.

 

The same holds true today.  But it goes back to that Salena Zito article where she discussed his appeal. Foreseeing his 2016 victory when few others in the press did.

 

 

 

Yesterday's goofy thing that Trump said is a perfect example of that.    Reasonable people know that he wasn't advocating for people to ingest disinfectants, he just was pontificating aloud on something goofy.

 

Reasonable people demand a leader reasonable enough not to pontificate about something so profoundly stupid, especially in that setting. 

1 minute ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

Clinical trials are ongoing. 

 

But you knew that, right?

 

Ongoing = no results yet = efficacy of treatment remains speculation.  Carry on. 

[Buffalo_Gal]

5 minutes ago, Scraps said:

Anecdotal evidence over a clinical trial?

 

Tell me, if some doctor asked you to be part of a clinical trial where you might get injected with disinfectant, would your answer be "hell no, I don't want to run the risk of getting stuck with the placebo"?

Seriously, what is wrong with you? People are dying. That treatment has helped a lot of people NOT die. A clinical trial for this specific treatment of this specific virus could take years. (Because, it HAS gone through clinical trials for other treatments.) How about you go tell those people that are still with us they shouldn't have taken that treatment because it did not go through clinical trial treatment for THIS disease?
 

Edited April 24, 2020 by Buffalo_Gal

[Deranged Rhino]

1 minute ago, SectionC3 said:

 

I thought MSM outlets were fake news?

 

Reasonable people demand a leader reasonable enough not to pontificate about something so profoundly stupid, especially in that setting. 

 

[Franco_92]

1 minute ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

Sorry!

I was simply pointing out that it has been used in the past. Whether it was used successful or commonly in the '40s or '50s, I do not know. But it isn't some new idea that has been heard of before.

 

You did nothing wrong! I have a cringe reflex when I see his name is all. That tweet may well be just fine.

 

I've just endured a lot of tesla quack and have ptsd

[SectionC3]

Just now, Deranged Rhino said:

 

 

Hoax.  Another example of why you're on the hoax list. 

[Deranged Rhino]