The Next Pandemic: SARS-CoV-2/COVID-19

[oldmanfan]

5 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

Again, no one suggested the fantasy you're pushing. Not Trump. Not the doctor. Trump, in fact, was asking about clinical trials under doctor's care. 

 

But -- who needs facts and details when you have a talking point to push?

Clinical trials, assuming any reputable scientist would even consider these bizarre ideas, would take years and years.  So why throw that out yesterday without proper context?  All it does is give false hope to gullible people.  Again, what is needed right now from the leaders of this country is factual and sober assessments of this situation, not pie if the sky stuff.

[Taraka]

Just now, oldmanfan said:

You've proved nothing.  The president said something stupid yesterday.  Why can't you just admit that?

THIS..... I just wrote basically this and just wait for it..its US that need to rationalize what trump said and twist and shout the unfairness of we all calling him out on it. They'd have a LOT more credibility if not defending this guys every word its pathetic.

[Scraps]

7 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

NO ONE suggested doing that. Not Trump. Not the doctor. No one but KARL and the MEDIA suggested it. 

I watched the video.  Trump said the stupidest thing I've ever heard him say.  That is saying alot.

[SectionC3]

1 hour ago, ~Kostabi~ said:

I love how you have adopted sections list idea not an original thought in your brain CHECK

Yup.  My hand has been forced here.  West side 2 is now on the sheep list.  

[Deranged Rhino]

2 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

You've proved nothing.  The president said something stupid yesterday.  Why can't you just admit that?

 

Wrong. Flashback to under an hour ago -- note your position changing, each and every time: 

 

48 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

No one suggested drinking bleach. 

 

But keep thinking you're focused on the facts. 

 

44 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

The president referred to injecting disinfectants.  When he said disinfectants, what exactly do you think he was referring to?  Or because he did not specifically name a specific disinfectant it is somehow wrong to question the guy presenting the study about it?   You do realize that two very common disinfectants are bleach and Lysol?  And while we're at it, exactly how would one get UV light inside the body?

 

These are things he said. Like it or not.  And the press is supposed to not ask questions about it?  Why can't you just admit that what was said by the president yesterday was dumb?

 

42 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

So, he didn't say to drink it. Thanks for proving my point. Again, keep thinking you're interested in facts. 

 

 

Only, he didn't. 

 

Why not look at what he actually said and who he said it to? Is it because doing proves your position is built on bullshite? 

 

 

41 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

Because he didn't say what you're saying he said. And he didn't imply it either. 

 

Why are you being dishonest about it instead of dealing with the actual facts?

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And now you've moved to suggesting he said to start injecting bleach immediately (which he never said), to admitting he was talking about the docs running clinical trials with the new twist that it's irresponsible to talk about something that might be years away. 

 

Your entire position has shifted -- and you think you're being honest? 

 

1 minute ago, oldmanfan said:

Clinical trials, assuming any reputable scientist would even consider these bizarre ideas, would take years and years.  So why throw that out yesterday without proper context?  All it does is give false hope to gullible people.  Again, what is needed right now from the leaders of this country is factual and sober assessments of this situation, not pie if the sky stuff.

 

What people need is an honest media. And we don't have it. 

 

You're falling for their tricks, again, and doing it willingly. Be better. Be smarter. 

[jrober38]

5 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

And who do you feel is worse and why? Also who would you vote for if you had the option to pull the lever for anyone and why? 

 

 

Trump is worse.

 

He's stupid, he doesn't listen to anyone, goes off his gut which is typically wrong, and he has displayed zero leadership whatsoever over the past 6 weeks.

[billsfan1959]

5 minutes ago, ~Kostabi~ said:

very few trump supporters will even cop to admitting what he said could be construed as dangerous. You apologists would carry a lot more credibility if you didn't feel the need to defend each and every stupid thing he says. Why not own it  and admit the guy speaks without really thinking, conjectures without a stitch of proof and if not straight up lying he irresponsibly spouts rhetoric that is not factual in the guise that it is "hopeful" .......bull#### is still bull#### don't pretty it up or rationalize all he says. It's no wonder people think many trump supporters are cultish.

 

 

 

[Deranged Rhino]

 

(but it's not a partisan attack/manipulation)

[Chef Jim]

7 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

OMG that Anderson Cooper reaction is GOLD!!

 

Wait, so is that what Trump said regarding disinfectant and UV light?  That’s the first time I listened to it. And people are taking this as Trump recommend people ingest disinfectant?  So many of you have lost all abilities to be objective at this point.  
 

He’s a ***** business person. Have any of you ever been in a high level management meeting where people throw ideas out there regardless how whacky they may sound? 

[Deranged Rhino]

1 minute ago, jrober38 said:

 

Trump is worse.

 

He's stupid, he doesn't listen to anyone, goes off his gut which is typically wrong, and he has displayed zero leadership whatsoever over the past 6 weeks.

 

Flashback: just two weeks ago this poster was screaming in multiple threads that "MILLIONS WOULD DIE!"

 

Now, we're going to be under 60k dead -- and that's proof that Trump provided no leadership? How did we get from millions dead to under 60k without it? 

 

Right. He can't answer. Because he's not a serious person and has been wrong on every subject for years down here. 

[Doc Brown]

Trump believed vaccines causes autism.  Anybody who takes him seriously when it comes to medical advice is an idiot.

[Deranged Rhino]

1 minute ago, Chef Jim said:

Wait, so is that what Trump said regarding disinfectant and UV light?  That’s the first time I listened to it. And people are taking this as Trump recommend people ingest disinfectant?  So many of you have lost all abilities to be objective at this point.  
 

He’s a ***** business person. Have any of you ever been in a high level management meeting where people throw ideas out there regardless how whacky they may sound? 

 

The overreaction would be amazing if it weren't so predictable. 

[Q-baby!]

1 minute ago, Deranged Rhino said:

What people need is an honest media. And we don't have it. 

 

You're falling for their tricks, again, and doing it willingly. Be better. Be smarter. 

What does the media have to do with this. We watched it live. 
 

You are so used to blaming the media that you default to that for an excuse. 
 

Did they edit the video on the fly? 

[Buffalo_Gal]

Just now, Chef Jim said:

Wait, so is that what Trump said regarding disinfectant and UV light?  That’s the first time I listened to it. And people are taking this as Trump recommend people ingest disinfectant?  So many of you have lost all abilities to be objective at this point.  
 

He’s a ***** business person. Have any of you ever been in a high level management meeting where people throw ideas out there regardless how whacky they may sound? 

It was started by a blue check-mark on twitter to control the narrative.  The talking points are out. And people here have bought into it hook, line, and sinker.

 

[Chef Jim]

1 minute ago, jrober38 said:

 

Trump is worse.

 

He's stupid, he doesn't listen to anyone, goes off his gut which is typically wrong, and he has displayed zero leadership whatsoever over the past 6 weeks.

Zero leadership?  Let me ask you. Would you consider holding a press conference every day during this as leadership?  Methinks you’d not recognize leadership if it smacked you upside the head. 

[Scraps]

11 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

Again, no one suggested the fantasy you're pushing. Not Trump. Not the doctor. Trump, in fact, was asking about clinical trials under doctor's care. 

Now your putting words into Trumps mouth to elevate this screwball idea seem almost approach something moderately crazy

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But -- who needs facts and details when you have a talking point to push?

Speaking of which, where are you getting your talking points?  Your not the first person to bring up chemotherapy to make this stupid idea sound not inane.

[oldmanfan]

17 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

You mean... kind of like Trump is asking the doctor here? 

 

"So it would be interesting to check that. So, that, you're going to have to use medical doctors with." 

 

Meaning, he's saying it needs to be studied. 

 

Bottom line: chemo is poison, and it's being injected every day (safely) by doctors. You can't change that fact. 

 

 

It's MORE ridiculous to argue he said something he didn't -- which you're still doing. 

 

Oh, and there are plenty of UV treatments out there right now. You're wrong. Again, all the way wrong. 

 

 

 

At the end of the CNN clip the FDA director agrees with the CNN medical correspondent that using disinfectants or UV light to treat a systemic infection would not work.  The picture above seems to show a localized infection where UV light is used.

[3rdnlng]

2 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

 

Trump is worse.

 

He's stupid, he doesn't listen to anyone, goes off his gut which is typically wrong, and he has displayed zero leadership whatsoever over the past 6 weeks.

Obviously you don't like Trump. Think about this though_____________________he's never worn fake eyebrows and/or dressed up like the Village People. 

[Deranged Rhino]

Just now, Scraps said:

Now your putting words into Trumps mouth to elevate this screwball idea seem almost approach something moderately crazy

 

Nope. I just listened to what he said: 

 

"So it would be interesting to check that. So, that, you're going to have to use medical doctors with." 

 

He's talking about trials, under medical supervision. He says it without precision, but that's what he's saying. 

 

 

[jrober38]

2 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

Zero leadership?  Let me ask you. Would you consider holding a press conference every day during this as leadership?  Methinks you’d not recognize leadership if it smacked you upside the head. 

 

Dude, they're rallies.

 

He's a sociopath who was literally praising his ratings a few weeks ago.

 

When has he showed sympathy for the families who have lost loved ones or shouldered any of the blame.

 

His leadership has been a joke. He's the laughing stock of the world right now.