meazza Posted April 23, 2020 Posted April 23, 2020 10 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: The beefed up unemployment benefits, the massive government business bailout package, and the economy being on solid footing before the pandemic could lead to a quicker than expected economic recovery. We won't be as strong as before but I'm not buying the doomsday predictions at this point. If there's a second wave then we're in trouble. What makes you think that by the fall, treatments won’t be available that reduce the impact of this virus on the people most at risk?
Doc Brown Posted April 23, 2020 Posted April 23, 2020 1 minute ago, meazza said: What makes you think that by the fall, treatments won’t be available that reduce the impact of this virus on the people most at risk? Did I say that?
meazza Posted April 23, 2020 Posted April 23, 2020 6 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: Did I say that? I was assuming that you did based on your second wave comment. The virus will most certainly return in September but by then, I believe we will be mobilized.
transplantbillsfan Posted April 23, 2020 Posted April 23, 2020 On 3/25/2020 at 2:32 AM, SoCal Deek said: Geez you people like to argue about everything! Does it ever stop? The country as a whole is doing really well. The vast majority of the cases of this virus are confined to a single city, who’s extremely dense urban living conditions are the perfect breeding ground for this sort of health problem. That isn’t the President’s fault, nor is it the Governor’s fault. Take NYC out of the equation and you’d have a completely different set of numbers. But no! We have to turn EVERYTHING into politics. We have to look for every possible way to spin EVERYTHING as the President’s fault. Not good America....not good. Without NYC we still have 27,000 people dead in less than 3 months and more than half a million people who've gotten the disease. And those numbers are clearly actually much higher since we're doing poorly at testing, having gotten to a mere 1% of the population of our country. And you expect anyone to laud Trump? For what exactly? Below is an actual image of Trump at the beginning of this Pandemic: 2
jrober38 Posted April 23, 2020 Posted April 23, 2020 25 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: The beefed up unemployment benefits, the massive government business bailout package, and the economy being on solid footing before the pandemic could lead to a quicker than expected economic recovery. We won't be as strong as before but I'm not buying the doomsday predictions at this point. If there's a second wave then we're in trouble. The US economy is just a part of the global economy. China is a mess, Europe is a complete disaster, Canada will be shut down for at least another two months because of their nanny government. Who else is there that's a major trading parter? Because the world is a mess, the US, by default, is also going to be a mess. If you're a company in the US that exports discretionary spending products, you're screwed. If you're in the oil business, you're screwed. If you're in tourism, you're screwed. If you own or work in a restaurant, you're screwed. If you're in the auto industry, you're screwed. I think people are grossly underestimating how bad this is going to be economically for the next 6 to 9 months. 2
transplantbillsfan Posted April 23, 2020 Posted April 23, 2020 On 3/25/2020 at 3:19 AM, billsfan1959 said: 1. And yet 60% of the public thinks he is doing a good job with this. Only 38% don't - and you know who you people are: The die hard left who turn everything he does into non-stop crises of world ending proportions. Of course, when confronted with the fact that most Americans disagree with you here, people like you don't take the time to self-reflect on the possibility you might be wrong. Instead, you double down on your delusional self-perception of being more "enlightened" and smarter than everyone else. Except this is wrong. Americans historically have always rallied around the President in times of crisis in terms of polling. It's just what Americans do, at least initially. 1
Doc Brown Posted April 23, 2020 Posted April 23, 2020 (edited) 12 minutes ago, meazza said: I was assuming that you did based on your second wave comment. The virus will most certainly return in September but by then, I believe we will be mobilized. I was thinking more about a second wave if we open up too quickly like what may have happened in Hong Kong, Hokkaido, and Singapore. I'm hopeful the drug remdesivir will continue to show positive results to possibly limit the impact of a 2nd wave in the fall. Edited April 23, 2020 by Doc Brown 1
fansince88 Posted April 23, 2020 Posted April 23, 2020 2 hours ago, 3rdnlng said: The word is that he is charming and a real delight to be around in a social setting. There's no doubt in my mind that he can be tough as nails in a business setting but his lifetime of real estate development (especially in NYC) has given him the ability to negotiate. He may start out with asking for the moon and it might sound preposterous to some but its just the opening salvo of a negotiation. Look at the fools he made of the media and how he bent the governors to his will regarding who was going to be in charge of opening up the respective states. He claimed that he had the authority to do so and everyone claimed that he didn't and even the dems brought up federalism as a point. Well he actually did have the authority due to the fact that all 50 states had a declared emergency. Using that authority is the last thing he wanted to do. Now the governors can do what they're paid to do but Trump can use the bully pulpit to encourage them to follow the guidelines. Not only is he doing what is right but he has taken the easy criticism away from the media. Exactly why I feel he is the best man we could have for the job today and the next 4.5 years 2
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted April 23, 2020 Posted April 23, 2020 (edited) 21 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: Except this is wrong. Americans historically have always rallied around the President in times of crisis in terms of polling. It's just what Americans do, at least initially. Is it the slick imagery that gives credence to his post? I love the Hill-o-Graphic but old Nate had Hillary winning by 19 laps, and she was gassed by early October. Maybe though, this time he's right? https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/ Who will win the presidency? Chance of winning Hillary Clinton 71.4% Donald Trump 28.6% Chance of winning Hillary Clinton 71.4% Donald Trump 28.6% Chance of winning Edited April 23, 2020 by leh-nerd skin-erd 1 1
billsfan1959 Posted April 23, 2020 Posted April 23, 2020 45 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: Except this is wrong. I doubt it. 2
keepthefaith Posted April 23, 2020 Posted April 23, 2020 4 hours ago, Buffalo_Gal said: That is fascinating to me. Let's just say I could not disagree more with your assessment. Fauci ummm no comment Birx she has changed a lot since the start of these. She looks a lot older, worn out, and seems to have learned a lot about dealing with the media. Pence is the diplomat in the crowd. Trump really depends on the day and the news he needs to impart. Agree especially on Pence. He's really shown over the past couple months that he's a very capable player in this. A real asset to this administration IMO. He's sensible and measured and can handle the heat. 4 1
B-Man Posted April 23, 2020 Posted April 23, 2020 IF PEOPLE GET THE SENSE THAT GOALPOSTS ARE BEING MOVED, IT WILL BE HARD TO GET THEM TO COMPLY WITH ANYTHING: . 3 2 7
BillStime Posted April 23, 2020 Posted April 23, 2020 Isn’t this cute... Trump (the Company) Asks Trump (the Administration) for Hotel Relief
keepthefaith Posted April 23, 2020 Posted April 23, 2020 13 minutes ago, BillStime said: Isn’t this cute... Trump (the Company) Asks Trump (the Administration) for Hotel Relief So Eric Trump asking lendors and landlords to simply to treat him the same as others. That's a problem? In the past 2 weeks the bank that holds one of my commercial mortgages has offered us deferred payments and the management company of other properties of mine has cut their minimum monthly fees. At the same time one of my tenants has asked me for some relief which we are likely to work out with them. These are sensible adjustments in extraordinary times. Why should Trump's companies not ask for similar revisions? 1 6
transplantbillsfan Posted April 23, 2020 Posted April 23, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: Is it the slick imagery that gives credence to his post? I love the Hill-o-Graphic but old Nate had Hillary winning by 19 laps, and she was gassed by early October. Maybe though, this time he's right? https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/ Who will win the presidency? Chance of winning Hillary Clinton 71.4% Donald Trump 28.6% Chance of winning Hillary Clinton 71.4% Donald Trump 28.6% Chance of winning Ah yes, the Meteorologist fallacy I brought up in a recent post. "My Meteorologist said it would rain today but it was sunny ALL day! He's terrible at his job and should be fired!" Sure, forget the fact that Silver has been statistically INCREDIBLY accurate since he came onto the scene in 2008. Forget the overall accuracy on the national stage of the elections of 2008, 2010, 2012, 2014, and 2018. He got 2016 wrong... NO ONE should ever give him any credence because he got that 1 election really wrong! I guess the key to being a good populist is confirmation bias. Don't believe me? Here's a direct quote from Pete Navarro just a couple years ago with regard to his job: "My function, really, as an economist is to try to provide the underlying analytics that confirm his intuition. And his intuition is always right in these matters." You can't make this %#$+ up Edited April 23, 2020 by transplantbillsfan
Paulus Posted April 23, 2020 Posted April 23, 2020 https://www.syracuse.com/coronavirus/2020/04/cuomo-to-coronavirus-lockdown-protesters-want-to-work-get-essential-job.html Haha, get an essential job, hippies... 2 1
daz28 Posted April 23, 2020 Posted April 23, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, Hardhatharry said: 2 hours ago, Hardhatharry said: This clip right here is pure gold my friend. If you hate CNN, then have a look see what the other side of MSM has been doing. If you pass all of this off as "nobody knew", then you might just be a lemming. Edited April 23, 2020 by daz28 2
fansince88 Posted April 23, 2020 Posted April 23, 2020 5 hours ago, Paulus said: https://www.syracuse.com/coronavirus/2020/04/cuomo-to-coronavirus-lockdown-protesters-want-to-work-get-essential-job.html Haha, get an essential job, hippies... Hey Andy! Another option is let people go back to their jobs that were essential to them! I didnt vote for him!
Kemp Posted April 23, 2020 Posted April 23, 2020 6 hours ago, keepthefaith said: So Eric Trump asking lendors and landlords to simply to treat him the same as others. That's a problem? In the past 2 weeks the bank that holds one of my commercial mortgages has offered us deferred payments and the management company of other properties of mine has cut their minimum monthly fees. At the same time one of my tenants has asked me for some relief which we are likely to work out with them. These are sensible adjustments in extraordinary times. Why should Trump's companies not ask for similar revisions? If he hadn't already shredded the Emoluments clause in the Constitution, it wouldn't be a big topic of discussion. The family wants relief after having illegally received funding for their properties. Just another layer of slime. 1 1
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