Boatdrinks Posted April 22, 2020 Posted April 22, 2020 2 minutes ago, daz28 said: Because you'd be much better served to cast a vote for a candidate with a chance who is most aligned with your beliefs. Also, what do you mean by didn't like? Does that mean you've changed your mind about him? Don’t know about GG, but I was somewhat skeptical on Trump at first. As things progressed, he won me over. Hillary was a non starter, Bernie was way too far left but Trump was different. He was so unconventional, so not PC and had some really good ideas . Ideas that would make for a better America. It became easy after that, when the left became completely unhinged in the summer of 2016. The choice was clear for me ; it was Trump whether he could actually win the GE or not. 1
GG Posted April 22, 2020 Posted April 22, 2020 2 minutes ago, daz28 said: Because you'd be much better served to cast a vote for a candidate with a chance who is most aligned with your beliefs. Also, what do you mean by didn't like? Does that mean you've changed your mind about him? The people who you would now count as Trump supporters had one thing in common in 2016 - we all despised Hillary. But we weren't convinced that Trump was a good candidate. So that left an option to lob a protest vote for 3rd party or sit the election out. 4 1
daz28 Posted April 22, 2020 Posted April 22, 2020 18 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: See. It's hilarious to see how quickly the "cult" label was disseminated from the press to their viewers, now to here. All the while those using it fail to see the inherent projection of their accusation. Is it anything like reverse TDS??
Boatdrinks Posted April 22, 2020 Posted April 22, 2020 2 minutes ago, daz28 said: I think the guy had a chance to really swing people to his side, but he made it so hard for people to like him. People who say TDS say it simply to troll the people who have found it impossible to like him. He could have been another Ronald Reagan(who I liked at the time, but not so much in retrospect). All he had to do was follow Reagan's lead, but his ego was too big for that. I don’t see Trump as all that similar to Reagan, but the fact he doesn’t care for the conventional is one of the things I love about him. I love how much the left hates him. It’s actually entertaining.
SectionC3 Posted April 22, 2020 Posted April 22, 2020 1 minute ago, daz28 said: I think the guy had a chance to really swing people to his side, but he made it so hard for people to like him. People who say TDS say it simply to troll the people who have found it impossible to like him. He could have been another Ronald Reagan(who I liked at the time, but not so much in retrospect). All he had to do was follow Reagan's lead, but his ego was too big for that. This. My view was that the Dems should have made a play to get into this guy right off the bat. He's a superficial guy driven by ego and insecurity. He also doesn't have much conviction or depth (aside from his love of and for money). Short story, he could have been convinced to be a moderate president. Instead he disregarded his better angels, stuck with the jingoist/nationalist hysteria, and cemented the "walls" between the respective political camps in this country. Opportunity lost, no matter how you cut it. He could have done more for his side, and he could have facilitated more for the other side.
Taraka Posted April 22, 2020 Posted April 22, 2020 Tell me again how it's the left that's full of hate! Protesters outside the statehouse in Columbus, Ohio, on Monday. (Joshua A. Bickel/Columbus Dispatch/AP)
Deranged Rhino Posted April 22, 2020 Posted April 22, 2020 1 minute ago, daz28 said: Is it anything like reverse TDS?? It's not as unoriginal as that. 1
SectionC3 Posted April 22, 2020 Posted April 22, 2020 3 minutes ago, GG said: The people who you would now count as Trump supporters had one thing in common in 2016 - we all despised Hillary. But we weren't convinced that Trump was a good candidate. So that left an option to lob a protest vote for 3rd party or sit the election out. My view has been and always will be that Hillary lost 2016 much more than Trump won it. This coming from a union Democrat.
billsfan1959 Posted April 22, 2020 Posted April 22, 2020 1 minute ago, daz28 said: Is it anything like reverse TDS?? Hey, could you tell us the one again where social distance violators are like Nazis exterminating the Jews? It sounded so believable the way you explained it. No, really....
daz28 Posted April 22, 2020 Posted April 22, 2020 4 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: I won't speak for GG, but yes. I didn't vote for him, didn't take him seriously, and presumed (even prognosticated) that HRC would win in a walk. When that was proven to be wrong, and he won, rather than panic and overreact, I opted to study the man closely instead. Not just his words, but his actions and how he would govern. And if you go by his record, and especially who his enemies are (the Bushes, the Clintons, and the Obamas -- the entire establishment in DC who have stolen from us, poisoned us, and led us into 20 years of endless war and recession), you see quickly that he's not as bad as the media claims. Once you get to that stage of your development, you can start to ask why then is the media so up in arms, calling a man a Nazi who literally has been a centralist democrat his entire life (and is governing like one today). You've never gotten to that point. Because you're driven by emotion not reason. That's why you're losing. My biggest compliment of Trump is that he doesn't seem to be a war monger at all, and I was afraid he might be a loose cannon. 1
Deranged Rhino Posted April 22, 2020 Posted April 22, 2020 Just now, SectionC3 said: My view has been and always will be that Hillary lost 2016 much more than Trump won it. This coming from a union Democrat. She lost -- despite having the USIC, FBI, DOJ, White House, MI6, and most of 5-Eyes trying to influence the election on her behalf. She lost because she was a terrible candidate. The worst to ever run. And she represented the establishment which people are tied of -- for numerous good reasons. Biden is the same candidate as HRC, only somehow worse because he can't run on being the first woman. The establishment has learned nothing. Because they don't care about the people. Only power. 3 1 2
daz28 Posted April 22, 2020 Posted April 22, 2020 3 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: Hey, could you tell us the one again where social distance violators are like Nazis exterminating the Jews? It sounded so believable the way you explained it. No, really.... That's not what I said at all. I said people reporting those breaking quarantine was like the citizens reporting the Gestapo spin boi. 2 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: She lost -- despite having the USIC, FBI, DOJ, White House, MI6, and most of 5-Eyes trying to influence the election on her behalf. She lost because she was a terrible candidate. The worst to ever run. And she represented the establishment which people are tied of -- for numerous good reasons. Biden is the same candidate as HRC, only somehow worse because he can't run on being the first woman. The establishment has learned nothing. Because they don't care about the people. Only power. Worst to ever run?? Did you see how many votes she got. That's not a testament to her either. It's a testament to how bad they BOTH were.
Deranged Rhino Posted April 22, 2020 Posted April 22, 2020 1 minute ago, daz28 said: My biggest compliment of Trump is that he doesn't seem to be a war monger at all, and I was afraid he might be a loose cannon. This is true. But take it further. I assume that you weren't a fan of W, would that be correct? Ask yourself then, what did it take for the Clinton camp, the Bush camp, and the Obama camp all to join forces? A common enemy in Trump. The enemy of my enemy (which the Bushes, Clintons, and Obamas certainly are) is my friend. Trump is not as bad as the media has been screaming since day one. He's not a Nazi. He's not a warmonger. He's not an authoritarian. He's a literal centrist democrat from 1999... yet he's painted as if he's the second coming of Hitler. Have you ever stopped to ask yourself why that is? Why is the media so empowered today to throw away any guise of objectivity in order to attack the sitting president. They didn't do that for Bush (some did, but there was a balance). They didn't do that for Clinton (some did, but there was a balance). They didn't do that for Obama (some did, but there was a balance). So why has Trump thrown them all so out of balance? Because he's not who they've told you he is. 2
Deranged Rhino Posted April 22, 2020 Posted April 22, 2020 1 minute ago, daz28 said: Worst to ever run?? Did you see how many votes she got. That's not a testament to her either. It's a testament to how bad they BOTH were. She's the worst candidate ever to run for POTUS. Ever. Proof is, she lost to a sweet potato with a comb over despite having the FBI, DOJ, White House, CIA, MI6 all doing illegal operations to assure her victory. It takes talent to lose a race that rigged. But she did.
GG Posted April 22, 2020 Posted April 22, 2020 7 minutes ago, SectionC3 said: This. My view was that the Dems should have made a play to get into this guy right off the bat. He's a superficial guy driven by ego and insecurity. He also doesn't have much conviction or depth (aside from his love of and for money). Short story, he could have been convinced to be a moderate president. Instead he disregarded his better angels, stuck with the jingoist/nationalist hysteria, and cemented the "walls" between the respective political camps in this country. Opportunity lost, no matter how you cut it. He could have done more for his side, and he could have facilitated more for the other side. All Dems had to do was not go insane and let Trump be Trump. Instead, they fully latched onto a fake conspiracy Russia-gate and provided ammo to Trump supporters and everyone else on the fence. 4 1
daz28 Posted April 22, 2020 Posted April 22, 2020 Just now, Deranged Rhino said: This is true. But take it further. I assume that you weren't a fan of W, would that be correct? Ask yourself then, what did it take for the Clinton camp, the Bush camp, and the Obama camp all to join forces? A common enemy in Trump. The enemy of my enemy (which the Bushes, Clintons, and Obamas certainly are) is my friend. Trump is not as bad as the media has been screaming since day one. He's not a Nazi. He's not a warmonger. He's not an authoritarian. He's a literal centrist democrat from 1999... yet he's painted as if he's the second coming of Hitler. Have you ever stopped to ask yourself why that is? Why is the media so empowered today to throw away any guise of objectivity in order to attack the sitting president. They didn't do that for Bush (some did, but there was a balance). They didn't do that for Clinton (some did, but there was a balance). They didn't do that for Obama (some did, but there was a balance). So why has Trump thrown them all so out of balance? Because he's not who they've told you he is. W was a decent guy, but he was in over his head. He trusted advisors he shouldn't have. He wasn't nefarious like Nixon, but by taking bad advice that's the way he ended up looking. The mistake there was the voters giving him a 2nd term. He was clearly a 1 term president.
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