The Next Pandemic: SARS-CoV-2/COVID-19

[3rdnlng]

6 minutes ago, Warren Zevon said:

 

Not surprised you support someone you admit to be a sexual predator. You know what they say..

I like people who get things done vs. the Obamas of this world who like to color red lines in the sand and man previously unmanned monuments in order to keep them closed during a government shutdown. Viva La our Git Er Done president!

[daz28]

4 minutes ago, Foxx said:

Guest Commentary: The day South Florida agriculture died

 

IMMOKALEE — “Up to the end of February our growers were having a banner year, and it looked like this season would be one of those home runs that come around every 5-6 years.”

 

Here is a report that I prepared on the state of South Florida agriculture and shared with officials. This may shed some light on how COVID-19 is impacting agriculture in our area.

 

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On Tuesday, March 24, a local broker says, everything changed. From brokers, orders stopped and everything got quiet. On Wednesday, March 25, it got super quiet.

 

Since then, tomato volumes are down 85%, green beans are like 50% and cabbage is like 50%.

 

R.C. Hatton has plowed under 100 acres of green beans, around 2 million pounds, and 60 acres of cabbage, or 5 million pounds.

 

Florida’s tomato growers target 80% of their production to restaurants and other food service companies, rather than to supermarkets. In this sector, growers are walking away from big portions of their crop.

 

Tony DiMare estimates that by the end of the growing season, about 10 million pounds of his tomatoes will go unpicked.

 

Some crops like potatoes and oranges are faring well, while other produce isn’t selling like it used to.

 

“With a lot of people staying home and buying mostly comfort foods, products like peppers, tomatoes and cucumbers have actually slowed down incrementally,” said Chuck Weisinger, president of Weis-Buy Farms Inc.

“The biggest challenge we have right now is getting the stores to start buying,” said John Stanford, farm manager at Frey Farms.

 

As you know, produce is highly perishable, and three weeks into this, many companies around Immokalee have already had to empty their coolers and dump produce. One dumped 20,000 pounds a day two weeks ago. Let that sink in … 20,000 pounds of tomatoes a day. They dumped a total of 100,000 pounds so far. This is from one farm. ...

I haven't gone to the supermarket much, but has produce/fruits gone down in price?  Is it really better to just plow over the product than it is to try to lower prices to move it? 

[shoshin]

45 minutes ago, Magox said:

Sweden appears to be heading towards herd immunity.

 

 

 

They aren't there yet and there would still need to be lots more infections for that to happen but as of right now their medical systems have not been overrun so that each patient can't get the care they need, at least from the reports I have read.     

 

The new cases are beginning to flatten but the deaths are beginning to go up, as the deaths are a lagging indicator.  So I wouldn't be surprised if they decided to tighten up even more if the pressure mounts.

 

That study was withdrawn for a pretty catastrophic reason. 

 

Now it has emerged that the researchers cannot rule out that a smaller proportion of blood samples were made on people who had covid-19, who donated blood to produce plasma for the treatment of covid patients.

 

Talk about a pretty serious "oh *****" moment for a researcher on a critical study. Hopefully they can replicate it once it's cleaned up. Wash State has, I believe, the definitively biggest test ongoing on this topic. Germany has a big one happening too. Those will be the bigger data sets to look for. 

 

(Sorry that you have to use the translate function)

Edited April 22, 2020 by shoshin

[Magox]

5 minutes ago, shoshin said:

 

That study was withdrawn for a pretty catastrophic reason. 

 

Now it has emerged that the researchers cannot rule out that a smaller proportion of blood samples were made on people who had covid-19, who donated blood to produce plasma for the treatment of covid patients.

 

(Sorry that you have to use the translate function)

 

Here was their conclusion:

 

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- We also do not know if there is any error in the estimate, but we also can not guarantee that it is not so, so it is important to tell about it, says Jan Alberts. 

 

I read they will be doing more of these antibody tests, we should be finding out more soon but based off of all the other antibody studies that have recently come out and that their relatively loose social-safety measures.  11% in Stockholm, seems to fall right in line.  I would venture to guess that the studies that come in will end up being right around where this one showed.

[shoshin]

1 minute ago, Magox said:

 

11% in Stockholm, seems to fall right in line.  I would venture to guess that the studies that come in will end up being right around where this one showed.

 

That would be amazing both in rapid spread of the virus and amazing results. The Germany and WA studies will be more definitive. I'm sure there are a million other studies happening on bigger scales as this is a critical number to estimate.  

[Westside]

17 hours ago, North Buffalo said:

Dont really care Rump uses the term anytime he doesnt like or have an answer to a question... whatever.

Rump? What are you? Two years old? Grow the ***** up!

[Kemp]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/lisettevoytko/2020/04/19/report-americans-at-world-health-organization-told-trump-administration-about-coronavirus-late-last-year/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

[Magox]

Just now, shoshin said:

 

That would be amazing both in rapid spread of the virus and amazing results. The Germany and WA studies will be more definitive. I'm sure there are a million other studies happening on bigger scales as this is a critical number to estimate.  

 

You can see, it's beginning to happen.  I imagine over the course of the next couple months we will probably be reading of at least 20 more of these studies.   Truth be told, I wouldn't be surprised if Stockholm is beyond 11% at this point.  

 

 

[GG]

5 minutes ago, Kemp said:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/lisettevoytko/2020/04/19/report-americans-at-world-health-organization-told-trump-administration-about-coronavirus-late-last-year/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

 

What information did the WHO US scientists transmit back to the CDC?   

 

Why did CDC scientists insist that everything was fine through February 2020?

[Kemp]

So last year 37,000 Americans died from the common Flu. It averages between 27,000 and 70,000 per year. Nothing is shut down, life & the economy go on. At this moment there are 546 confirmed cases of CoronaVirus, with 22 deaths. Think about that! - Trump

 

1/22

 

President Donald Trump said today the U.S. has a deadly Chinese coronavirus “totally under control” and there are no worries of a pandemic.

[Gary M]

35 minutes ago, daz28 said:

I haven't gone to the supermarket much, but has produce/fruits gone down in price?  Is it really better to just plow over the product than it is to try to lower prices to move it? 

 

If no one is going to the stores lowering the price won't make it move faster, produce has a shelf life.

17 minutes ago, Kemp said:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/lisettevoytko/2020/04/19/report-americans-at-world-health-organization-told-trump-administration-about-coronavirus-late-last-year/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

 

That is a horrible article, Links to links to links

[daz28]

3 minutes ago, Gary M said:

 

If no one is going to the stores lowering the price won't make it move faster, produce has a shelf life.

I figured with restaurants only doing take-out(which I'm personally leery of), and supermarkets still open, that it would still move.  Maybe people don't know how to cook, and are buying mainly frozen food? It's just a little perplexing to me

[shoshin]

17 minutes ago, Magox said:

 

You can see, it's beginning to happen.  I imagine over the course of the next couple months we will probably be reading of at least 20 more of these studies.   Truth be told, I wouldn't be surprised if Stockholm is beyond 11% at this point.  

 

 

 

No good study yet really. The handful of ones so far show the same result, which is good, but all were small and had significant faults. None quite as bad as, "We may have mixed in blood donated because it was known to have covid antipbodies" but other problems nonetheless.  

 

We know there are more cases than have been tested, both that are/were symptomatic and those that are/were asymptomatic. What that number is we don't know. I hope it's high as f###. 

[GG]

23 minutes ago, Kemp said:

So last year 37,000 Americans died from the common Flu. It averages between 27,000 and 70,000 per year. Nothing is shut down, life & the economy go on. At this moment there are 546 confirmed cases of CoronaVirus, with 22 deaths. Think about that! - Trump

 

1/22

 

President Donald Trump said today the U.S. has a deadly Chinese coronavirus “totally under control” and there are no worries of a pandemic.

 

Hi drive by idiot.  How about answering a single question of the dribble you like to post here?

[meazza]

2 hours ago, Warren Zevon said:

 

“And when I’ve said this to others, they kind of put their head back, they don’t understand what I mean.”

 

Looks like he hit the nail on the head with you.

It’s obvious what he means but by fall, we should hopefully have some therapeutics in place to reduce the impact.  
 

Hopefully people will get their flu vaccine.

[Foxx]

24 minutes ago, daz28 said:

I figured with restaurants only doing take-out(which I'm personally leery of), and supermarkets still open, that it would still move.  Maybe people don't know how to cook, and are buying mainly frozen food? It's just a little perplexing to me

before all this 'rona crap hit the fan, the average consumption of food was 45% in home and 55% outside of home. now couple the fear of going to the grocery store that probably results in a once every two weeks or so venture, yes, consumption of fresh produce is way down.

[IDBillzFan]

I really wish the drive-bys would take some time to read this thread from the beginning so they'd stop repeating the same stupid questions and observations that were debunked eighteen times already over the last month alone.

 

 

[daz28]

Just now, Foxx said:

before all this 'rona crap hit the fan, the average consumption of food was 45% in home and 55% outside of home. now couple the fear of going to the grocery store that probably results in a once every two weeks or so venture, yes, consumption of fresh produce is way down.

I'm way more afraid of take-out than I am of a 20 minute trip to the grocery store every 2 weeks, but that's just me.  Also, I'm an awesome cook.  Maybe people are afraid that people were picking through the produce and handling it a lot??  Also a lot of it is not cooked, and they don't want to wipe their produce with disinfectant wipes?

[Magox]

29 minutes ago, shoshin said:

 

No good study yet really. The handful of ones so far show the same result, which is good, but all were small and had significant faults. None quite as bad as, "We may have mixed in blood donated because it was known to have covid antipbodies" but other problems nonetheless.  

 

We know there are more cases than have been tested, both that are/were symptomatic and those that are/were asymptomatic. What that number is we don't know. I hope it's high as f###. 

 

We'll disagree on what the studies are telling us.  My assumption all along was that we were around a .25% - .5% Mortality rate and Scott Gottlieb seems to believe we are underreporting by a factor of X 10 to X 20, which would put us on the lower end of my assumptions.

[Foxx]

9 minutes ago, daz28 said:

I'm way more afraid of take-out than I am of a 20 minute trip to the grocery store every 2 weeks, but that's just me.  Also, I'm an awesome cook.  Maybe people are afraid that people were picking through the produce and handling it a lot??  Also a lot of it is not cooked, and they don't want to wipe their produce with disinfectant wipes?

well... just an observation here but, after being at the grocery store yesterday, it seems pretty evident that the quality of the produce in the stores is significantly degrading. it is like the stuff is older than it normally would be and therefore prone to spoilage much sooner. if i am having to dig deep into a display to find something firm, you know others are having to do the same and how many hands exactly have touched the produce i am bringing home? not sure if 'rona survives on produce or for how long but you can be sure others are afraid of this as well.