North Buffalo Posted April 21, 2020 Posted April 21, 2020 1 minute ago, Deranged Rhino said: In mid January the WHO was still telling the world that the virus wasn't transmissible from human to human. Medical professionals knew this was unlikely and we were being warned...
Deranged Rhino Posted April 21, 2020 Posted April 21, 2020 1 minute ago, North Buffalo said: Medical professionals knew this was unlikely and we were being warned... So the world's leading health organization saying in mid January that the disease wasn't transmissible human to human (even though they knew that was false) wasn't a problem... Got it. 1
North Buffalo Posted April 21, 2020 Posted April 21, 2020 3 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said: Why should the feds have had 500M masks on hand? Especially since the elastic can dry rot (and that was the initial problem with some of the stockpile). The ventilators, they all (state and feds) should have replaced when the old ones became obsolete (Obamacare made them so expensive, they were only produced here by two businesses prior to COVID-19). I am in awe of what has been done by the Feds to assist the states. From building a hospital in under a week, to retrofitting buildings for patients, to forcing supply chains that has been outsourced to other countries into the US. Nothing has been perfect. And, it is distressing that China did not inform the world about this virus. One thing is for certain... the United States cannot depend upon other countries for needed medical goods. I sincerely hope these are brought back to the US, even if the government needs to subsidize the business to make it happen. The last two paragraphs I agree with and the hospital tents built by that national guards were and a god send. The mask issue and stock pile issues caught everyone... The need for ventilators and medical supplies was not an Obama care deal... It goes much further back to Clinton and Bush and the way our healthcare is distributed and regulated. Streamlining and cutting costs have been disjointed at best while healthcare become big business and serving best only those areas with money. 7 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: So the world's leading health organization saying in mid January that the disease wasn't transmissible human to human (even though they knew that was false) wasn't a problem... Got it. Sure it was but laying blame on WHO when our medical professional knew better and were telling Trump otherwise and yet he wasnt publically reacting was a bigger problem.
Deranged Rhino Posted April 21, 2020 Posted April 21, 2020 2 minutes ago, North Buffalo said: Sure it was but laying blame on WHO when our medical professional knew better and were telling Trump otherwise and yet he wasnt publically reacting was a bigger problem. He was taking action though. That's where you're wrong. Don't conflate tapping down panic through public statements with being the same as the actions taken by him and the task force throughout Jan-March prior to the lock down. You said it best earlier -- there's blame enough to go around. But leaving China out of that discussion is disingenuous at best.
Buffalo_Gal Posted April 21, 2020 Posted April 21, 2020 (edited) 9 minutes ago, North Buffalo said: The last two paragraphs I agree with and the hospital tents built by that national guards were and a god send. The mask issue and stock pile issues caught everyone... The need for ventilators and medical supplies was not an Obama care deal... It goes much further back to Clinton and Bush and the way our healthcare is distributed and regulated. Streamlining and cutting costs have been disjointed at best while healthcare become big business and serving best only those areas with money. Buried in this thread is a tweet from one of the ventilator manufacturers (back in February or early March). He laid out exactly why everyone who manufactured ventilators in the US closed up shop except for his family-owned company, and one other company. He stated the taxes on Obamacare made it very difficult for ventilators to be made in the United States. He may have been lying (not sure why he would be), but as the guy whose factory was one of two building them... tough to disregard what he said. Edited April 21, 2020 by Buffalo_Gal
North Buffalo Posted April 21, 2020 Posted April 21, 2020 Just now, Deranged Rhino said: He was taking action though. That's where you're wrong. Don't conflate tapping down panic through public statements with being the same as the actions taken by him and the task force throughout Jan-March prior to the lock down. LMAO... His task force was a joke.
Deranged Rhino Posted April 21, 2020 Posted April 21, 2020 1 minute ago, North Buffalo said: LMAO... His task force was a joke. Got it.
Doc Posted April 21, 2020 Posted April 21, 2020 3 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said: Buried in this thread is a tweet from one of the ventilator manufacturers (back in February or early March). He laid out exactly why everyone who manufactured ventilators in the US closed up shop except for his family-owned company, and one other company. He stated the taxes on Obamacare made it very difficult for ventilators to be made in the United States. He may have been lying (not sure why he would be), but as the guy who factory was one of two building them... tough to disregard what he said. He's not lying. Medical manufacturing mostly moved to China after Obamacare. 1 1
Buffalo_Gal Posted April 21, 2020 Posted April 21, 2020 Trump up Praising medical professionals. Pointing out the per capita death rate is lower than most countries. 20 states (40% of our country) is opening up (safely). Senate passed paycheck protection program (and something else) act. $382B small business money $75B hospitals $25B for coronavirus testing Urging House to pass the bill. 3
Boatdrinks Posted April 21, 2020 Posted April 21, 2020 7 hours ago, Justice said: Maybe the mortality rate varies depending on how each healthcare system handles it more than anything else. I’d expect that our health care professionals have given their best whichever area of the country they are in. I think the mortality rate is far more likely to be influenced by the general health of the patient and by individual genetic factors that we may not even know about yet. Many deaths were patients with underlying health issues but some were not. Some have even referenced on this board young and athletic individuals with extreme symptoms. So it seems likely that even with good overall health, some could have an unknown genetic vulnerability to Coronavirus. Just as it appears a significant percentage of the population will have no symptoms at all. 1
Buffalo_Gal Posted April 21, 2020 Posted April 21, 2020 Mnuchin up: Thanking Mitch and Chuckie. Also thanking Kevin McCarthy and Nancy (makes me think the House will pass it). He said, "We look forward to the House passing this tomorrow." Have over 1M companies with less than 10 workers have received the money. He said that some big businesses have taken the loans (and given back). New, FAQ coming out. Press: will you request the big companies return the money Mnuchin: yup Trump: Harvard will be paying back the money. Mnuchin: attest to certification. (went into the bigger businesses returning the money at no liability) Press: Who long will the new money last? Mnuchin: Put out more money on this than the last 10 years. Didn't answer. ? Press: Criminal question Mnuchin: they had done 5 years, it was shorter than before, and they will not be changing that Press: How many more phases? Mnuchin: Pass 4 (with infrastructure), broadband to rural area, sports, entertainment, payroll tax cut, states. Sounds like he is hopeful phase 4 is it. Press: Last payroll money? Mnuchin: We expect so. Press: What will phase 4 cost? Mnuchin: No comment Press: Oversight? Mnuchin: We have independent oversight, and are looking forward to Congress confirming that person. No one lender sent out more than 4%. Mnuchin - big team effort. And he is praising everyone for unanimous consent. Mnuchin: airlines shut down, and he's talking about the oil (less use, more supply), looking for all options on energy independence. 2
Buffalo_Gal Posted April 21, 2020 Posted April 21, 2020 (edited) Press: how many jobs have been saved so far? Mnunchin: 30M And he's talking about more distribution on the checks. Trump back: Immigration suspension. Unemployed Americans are first in line for jobs when America re-opens. We will first take care of the American worker. 60 days, will evaluate at that time based on economics. Sounds like no new green cards. Pence visited a GE plant that is making ventilators. 50K produced in a few weeks. Trump/Cuomo meeting. Goal of doubling testing. NYS will continue to control the testing in their states. Have a ton of labs in NYS. Saying very nice things about NYS and NYC. Edited April 21, 2020 by Buffalo_Gal 1 1
Buffalo_Gal Posted April 21, 2020 Posted April 21, 2020 Bringing back the USS Comfort to VA. NY does not need it any longer. FDA authorized 50 diagnostic tests, including the first one approved yesterday that the patient can do at home (doctor's order). 1 1
snafu Posted April 21, 2020 Posted April 21, 2020 (edited) 4 hours ago, Buffalo_Gal said: Nice sentiment, but the first thing you are going to do is to pack people in close together? I’ve said a few times that I’m not going to criticize decisions... This guy makes it difficult. Edited April 21, 2020 by snafu 2 2
Buffalo_Gal Posted April 21, 2020 Posted April 21, 2020 Dr Birx: Improvement across all large metros. Still seeing outbreaks in care facilities (elderly) in rural areas. She's talking about distancing, hygiene, etc. We will continue to see more deaths as they will lag, especially in cities. 2 1
Deranged Rhino Posted April 21, 2020 Posted April 21, 2020 Brett Braier is in the press room for Fox today instead of Roberts. Expect a terrible question to follow from him.
Buffalo_Gal Posted April 21, 2020 Posted April 21, 2020 (edited) Dr Hahn (FDA) up: FDA was asked to remove all unnecessary barriers by Trump, the FDA did that. (So, if they are unnecessary, why have them?) Two types of antibody tests. They are beginning to understand them for detection at different points of the infection. Discussing the test validation for the new tests that have been coming out since March. The FDA still expects the developers to validate their tests. Working with CDC to validate the 90 manufacturers (independent validation). They are not playing... they are going after anyone saying a test has been approved when it has not. Press: How many of these tests actually work? Hahn: Self validation and they must label that. Expect to have more results on the FDA validation. Press: Wanting to beat up on hydroxychloroquine again. Hahn: Doctor needs to consider the prescription. The one study the press mentioned was small. And, the preliminary date says hydroxychloroquine has been helpful. All trials are in progress. It will be early summer before those trials are finished. Press: Va study, that more people died on hydroxychloroquine than off it. Trump: We will take a look at it. 6 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: Brett Braier is in the press room for Fox today instead of Roberts. Expect a terrible question to follow from him. Asked a buncha stuff, including about NK. Trump: I wish him well. LMAO It was CNN that came out with the report, and when CNN comes out with it, I don't put too much credence in it. Edited April 21, 2020 by Buffalo_Gal 3
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