The Next Pandemic: SARS-CoV-2/COVID-19

[4merper4mer]

6 hours ago, Chef Jim said:

 

Of course wall doesn’t address visa over stays. I’m not talking about a wall. I’m talking about a complete open border that many advocate. Add to that universal healthcare (is that better) and throw in a pandemic here and there along the way and  we will likely have MASSIVE inflows of people seeking care at no cost to them. Do you not see the challenge in that?  So now how about a meaningful discussion? 

You don't get it.  You're supposed to let the lefties twist your words and define the narrative,

[dubs]

6 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said:

No politician ever should be.  

Also, the further removed they are from the people that elected them, the less trustworthy. And the more money and power and influence at their disposal the less trustworthy. 
 

that’s why the founders created a republic and enacted a constitution, not that those two things mean much anymore. 

Edited April 20, 2020 by dubs

[Warren Zevon]

 

 

[Hardhatharry]

14 minutes ago, Warren Zevon said:

 

 

So sad, Trump is pushing those people to do this *****.

[Warren Zevon]

1 minute ago, Hardhatharry said:

So sad, Trump is pushing those people to do this *****.

 

That's a Buffalo Gal clone

[Hardhatharry]

1 minute ago, Warren Zevon said:

 

That's a Buffalo Gal clone

What's funny is they spent the time to make all those signs... But Trump loves his uneducated followers.

[billsfan1959]

7 hours ago, daz28 said:

How does a wall address a visa overstay, and using a baited word like "free" is no way to begin any legitimate discussion.  Just so you know I'm not "on the left" either.  You'd do well to try to debate from neutral ground at the start.

 

A really important question I'd like asked at the next press conference is, "who told you the 15 cases would got to 0".  He's not out leader, he's our president, so he has a duty to answer these questions.  You can hate the media, but surely everyone wants important questions answered.  The government reports to us.  We ARE the absolute authority.  They report to us, especially during a pandemic.  

 

So, that's really an important question for you to ask right now - about something that he said back on February 26th? Why is that so important to you? Is it because it indicates he wasn't taking the virus seriously? Wouldn't it be more important to know what the administration was actually doing to help?

 

Or, if, for some reason, you are fixated on that point in February, wouldn't it be more important to ask what the administration had done to that point? Wouldn't you be interested to know, at the time he made that statement, the administration had done the following (not all inclusive):

 

Formed the Coronavirus Task Force

Declared the coronavirus a public health emergency.

Announced Chinese travel restrictions.

Suspended entry into the United States for foreign nationals who pose a risk of transmitting the coronavirus.

Expanded enhanced entry screening to eight major airports across the nation.

Briefed Congress on the Federal Government's coronavirus response efforts.

Began shipping CDC-Developed test kits to U.S. and international labs.

Coordinating with the WHO and China regarding the virus, including making attempts (that were denied) to go to China

Briefed all governors about the virus at the National Governors’ Association Meeting

Expanded a partnership with Janssen Research & Development to “expedite the development” of a coronavirus vaccine.

Began working with private labs to conduct “community-based influenza surveillance” to study and detect the spread of coronavirus.

Requested $2.5 billion from Congress to help combat the spread of the coronavirus.

 

Since Congress and the nations's governors had all been briefed by that time, would it be important to you to know what other government leaders at the federal and state levels were saying and doing as well? For example, would it be important to you to ask Nancy Pelosi why, at the very same time, she was walking around Chinatown telling everyone in San Fransisco not to be worried, it was perfectly safe for them all to get out and enjoy themselves?

 

Since the most important question for you is one that, in a vacuum, gives the impression Trump didn't take it seriously, It feels like you are ignoring your own advice of beginning your debate from neutral ground...no?

[Warren Zevon]

Just now, billsfan1959 said:

 

 

 

You could have just shown us your I ❤️ Trump trampstamp instead of posting that drivel

[Tiberius]

4 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

So, that's really an important question for you to ask right now - about something that he said back on February 26th? Why is that so important to you? Is it because it indicates he wasn't taking the virus seriously? Wouldn't it be more important to know what the administration was actually doing to help?

 

Or, if, for some reason, you are fixated on that point in February, wouldn't it be more important to ask what the administration had done to that point? Wouldn't you be interested to know, at the time he made that statement, the administration had done the following (not all inclusive):

 

Formed the Coronavirus Task Force

Declared the coronavirus a public health emergency.

Announced Chinese travel restrictions.

Suspended entry into the United States for foreign nationals who pose a risk of transmitting the coronavirus.

Expanded enhanced entry screening to eight major airports across the nation.

Briefed Congress on the Federal Government's coronavirus response efforts.

Began shipping CDC-Developed test kits to U.S. and international labs.

Coordinating with the WHO and China regarding the virus, including making attempts (that were denied) to go to China

Briefed all governors about the virus at the National Governors’ Association Meeting

Expanded a partnership with Janssen Research & Development to “expedite the development” of a coronavirus vaccine.

Began working with private labs to conduct “community-based influenza surveillance” to study and detect the spread of coronavirus.

Requested $2.5 billion from Congress to help combat the spread of the coronavirus.

 

Since Congress and the nations's governors had all been briefed by that time, would it be important to you to know what other government leaders at the federal and state levels were saying and doing as well? For example, would it be important to you to ask Nancy Pelosi why, at the very same time, she was walking around Chinatown telling everyone in San Fransisco not to be worried, it was perfectly safe for them all to get out and enjoy themselves?

 

Since the most important question for you is one that, in a vacuum, gives the impression Trump didn't take it seriously, It feels like you are ignoring your own advice of beginning your debate from neutral ground...no?

Why does he lie so much while thousands are dying? 

[SoCal Deek]

Making Trump the architect of our response is absolute nonsense. He’s coordinated a team to respond to it but he didn’t design that response. Many, if not all, of the doctors who were on that team were there before any of you geniuses had ever heard of a corona virus. And the lead doctors,  who everyone universally praises now were the same ones giving him medical/scientific advice back in December, January and February. They’re on tape, and on televised interviews saying ‘nothing significant to worry about’. So enough of the revisionist history. It’s just boring.

[billsfan1959]

13 minutes ago, Warren Zevon said:

 

You could have just shown us your I ❤️ Trump trampstamp instead of posting that drivel

 

Or you could, for once, actually engage in an intellectually honest debate. For example, is there one thing on that list that isn't true? How do you reconcile a stance that Trump didn't take this seriously and did nothing, with actions that seem to indicate otherwise. How do you put forth opinions that suggest you somehow believe that whaever Trump does, is  somehow done in a complete vacuum?

 

You could actually try to provide something insightful, intellegent, and useful.

 

Or you could just go on being you....

[billsfan1959]

 

19 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Why does he lie so much while thousands are dying? 

 

I am actually more concerned with what the government does, rather than what Trump says.

[Chef Jim]

43 minutes ago, Hardhatharry said:

So sad, Trump is pushing those people to do this *****.

So racism and idiots didn’t exist before Trump?  God I long for those kumbaya days pre 2016. 

[Foxx]

11 hours ago, GG said:

 

It's the corollary to the progressive tax systems where the higher income population pays the disproportionate share of the tax burden.   NYS does not put out the data of inflows & outflows by county for obvious reasons to not stoke resentment within the state.   Upstate pays very high property taxes in some areas, but that's relatively small change compated to the income tax that's generated downstate.

 

Rockefeller Institute put out a study in 2011-2012.  If anything, downstate's contribution has risen in the decade since the report was done.  

thanks.

 

it does appear that there is a slight discrepancy between what is taken in and what is doled out to the NYC region.

[Warren Zevon]

1 minute ago, Chef Jim said:

So racism and idiots didn’t exist before Trump?  God I long for those kumbaya days pre 2016. 

 

A racist and idiot in charge of gives racists and idiots extra motivation.

[billsfan1959]

2 minutes ago, Warren Zevon said:

 

A racist and idiot in charge of gives racists and idiots extra motivation.

 

Well that certainly explains your posting.....

[GG]

10 hours ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

That is some interesting study. “The rest of the state” (not NYC, its suburbs, or Albany) get a disproportionate amount of state tax dollars because they have the NYS prisons, SUNY schools, and mental hygiene facilities.   Ummm so put ‘em in Westchester, I am sure that would fly. 

 

Basically, the study shows the NYC ‘burbs contribute the most. Not a surprise. I’d be willing to bet Westchester itself is a great deal of that. NYC banking generates a lotta dinero, and is how those $10 million starter homes in Rye are financed. There are also some very, very wealthy enclaves on Long Island.

 

Don't forget CT & NJ.  I'd venture that on a handful of morning trains from those two states, there's easily $50 million of annual income tax to NYS.

 

10 hours ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

Still, I do wonder if the opportunity arose if “upstate” would break away from NYC (or metro NYC)? Have the laws imposed in the state with the aid of that regional money the last 30-40 years helped “upstate” create/keep wealth? Would “upstate” be better off not living under the shadow of NYC? 

 

 

 

Upstate is a slave to downstate politics.   The tide really turned when both chambers in Albany turned Dem, killing any realistic hope for an upstate rebound. 

 

It's always an interesting question of what would happen if downstate and upstate were to split.   Initially it would be painful for upstate, but it could then plot its own path and not be so reliant on NYC metro.

[TH3]

27 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

So, that's really an important question for you to ask right now - about something that he said back on February 26th? Why is that so important to you? Is it because it indicates he wasn't taking the virus seriously? Wouldn't it be more important to know what the administration was actually doing to help?

 

Or, if, for some reason, you are fixated on that point in February, wouldn't it be more important to ask what the administration had done to that point? Wouldn't you be interested to know, at the time he made that statement, the administration had done the following (not all inclusive):

 

Formed the Coronavirus Task Force

Declared the coronavirus a public health emergency.

Announced Chinese travel restrictions.

Suspended entry into the United States for foreign nationals who pose a risk of transmitting the coronavirus.

Expanded enhanced entry screening to eight major airports across the nation.

Briefed Congress on the Federal Government's coronavirus response efforts.

Began shipping CDC-Developed test kits to U.S. and international labs.

Coordinating with the WHO and China regarding the virus, including making attempts (that were denied) to go to China

Briefed all governors about the virus at the National Governors’ Association Meeting

Expanded a partnership with Janssen Research & Development to “expedite the development” of a coronavirus vaccine.

Began working with private labs to conduct “community-based influenza surveillance” to study and detect the spread of coronavirus.

Requested $2.5 billion from Congress to help combat the spread of the coronavirus.

 

Since Congress and the nations's governors had all been briefed by that time, would it be important to you to know what other government leaders at the federal and state levels were saying and doing as well? For example, would it be important to you to ask Nancy Pelosi why, at the very same time, she was walking around Chinatown telling everyone in San Fransisco not to be worried, it was perfectly safe for them all to get out and enjoy themselves?

 

Since the most important question for you is one that, in a vacuum, gives the impression Trump didn't take it seriously, It feels like you are ignoring your own advice of beginning your debate from neutral ground...no?

And with all that tremendous effort...the US has 25 percent of the worlds infected (even with very low per capita testing rates), 25 percent of the worlds deaths, we don't have the testing in place to safely reopen without a second blast of cases. Germany had the same intelligence from WHO and China....I don't see them complaining and blaming...They have 4000 deaths, have a stringent test and trace system in place and are opening their economy up in a measured way...

 

Before you rest on a list of what trump has done....why not quote some actual results of these 10/10 things and how they compare to the best countries....because we are great again right? 

 

[Gene Frenkle]

8 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

So racism and idiots didn’t exist before Trump?  God I long for those kumbaya days pre 2016. 

 

Of course they did. But now Trump has clearly and directly emboldened them.  That much is undeniable.

[3rdnlng]

9 hours ago, daz28 said:

How does a wall address a visa overstay, and using a baited word like "free" is no way to begin any legitimate discussion.  Just so you know I'm not "on the left" either.  You'd do well to try to debate from neutral ground at the start.

 

 

 

A really important question I'd like asked at the next press conference is, "who told you the 15 cases would got to 0".  He's not out leader, he's our president, so he has a duty to answer these questions.  You can hate the media, but surely everyone wants important questions answered.  The government reports to us.  We ARE the absolute authority.  They report to us, especially during a pandemic.  

That's on par with asking how a hot fudge sundae and a pothole are connected. Dumbass.