shoshin Posted April 18, 2020 Posted April 18, 2020 (edited) 33 minutes ago, Magox said: It reminds me about the hospital bedA and ventilator debate. Remember? The same people who were booting and hollering about not having enough are the same ones sounding the alarm bells on the testing. Dr Birx and for that matter Trump pretty much always pushed back on that notion and they ended up being right. Not only were they right but those that were complaining weren’t even close to being right. Thankfully Also, Im not sure what makes you believe you understand the situation better than they do when it comes to testing? Fauci and Birx have not said enough testing has been done. “Enough tests for phase 1“ is definitely not adequate for what we need, as we know. If you agree that we are undercounting cases by 1/10 or less, as I do, then I’m not sure how you might think we are doing enough testing. And if we are not doing enough testing by a lot, then Pence et al are definitely engaging in double speak (truth but clearly not the entire story) by saying we have adequate testing. I don’t say that because of his politics, it’s because it’s a fact. Edited April 18, 2020 by shoshin
Scraps Posted April 18, 2020 Posted April 18, 2020 2 minutes ago, Doc said: Again, the Repubs didn't control Congress under Obama. The Republicans controlled the House from 2011 - 2019. Facts suck.
3rdnlng Posted April 18, 2020 Posted April 18, 2020 1 minute ago, Deranged Rhino said: He does. A good tip is that when someone is so emotionally compromised on a position as you are on this (Orange Man Bad always!”), you’re going to filter comments through your own warped cognitive dissonance. Take a step back and breathe. He sounds like that lifetime conservative, Baskin. 1 1
Doc Posted April 18, 2020 Posted April 18, 2020 Just now, Scraps said: The Republicans controlled the House from 2011 - 2019. Facts suck. Ah so now you're moving on from "Repubs controlled congress" to "my bad, they controlled the House but were solely responsible for not restocking N95 masks." Yes, facts do suck.
Magox Posted April 18, 2020 Posted April 18, 2020 Just now, shoshin said: Fauci and Birx have not enough testing has been done. “Enough tests for phase 1“ is definitely not adequate. If you agree that we are undercounting cases by 1/10 or less, as I do, then I’m not sure how you might think we are doing enough testing. And if we are not doing enough testing by a lot, then Pence et al are definitely engaging in double speak (truth but clearly not the entire story) by saying we have adequate testing. I don’t say that because of his politics, it’s because it’s a fact. I have no idea what you are responding to but it wasn’t anything that I said. You are responding to some sort of fabricated argument that is playing in your own mind. I would suggest you reread the original post that you responded to and then get back to me.
Doc Posted April 18, 2020 Posted April 18, 2020 And then there's all the medicines, supplies and devices that were pushed to China thanks to Obamacare. Gonna blame that on the Repubs as well?
Scraps Posted April 18, 2020 Posted April 18, 2020 5 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: He does. A good tip is that when someone is so emotionally compromised on a position as you are on this (Orange Man Bad always!”), you’re going to filter comments through your own warped cognitive dissonance. Take a step back and breathe. Here is Magox's quote Quote Here you go, listen for yourself Dr. Anthony Fauci, the government's leading infectious diseases expect, said testing for infection would need to be essentially instant, and frequent, to guarantee with certainty that someone isn't currently infected, which is why antibody testing and tracing will be important. But while testing for coronavirus is a key piece of tackling the virus, Fauci warned it's just one piece of it. "The emphasis we've been hearing is that testing is everything and it isn't," Fauci said. However, he also suggested there would be "enough tests to allow us to take this country safely to Phase 1." Where exactly did Fauci say we were ready for phase 1? Magox couldn't answer it and I'm sure your can't either.
Magox Posted April 18, 2020 Posted April 18, 2020 3 hours ago, Magox said: The point of the post went right over your head. The lede shouldn’t be about these things it should be that Dr Fauci, Dr Birx, the CDC director and head of FEMA all said that we have enough tests for phase 1 and that solely looking at tests as Dr. Fauci put is not the way to go about it. That is the lede. Not this other BS @shoshin let me help you out. This was the post. In regards to the testing, What part of this do you dispute?
Scraps Posted April 18, 2020 Posted April 18, 2020 2 minutes ago, Magox said: @shoshin let me help you out. This was the post. In regards to the testing, What part of this do you dispute? Fauci didn't say we are ready for Phase 1. He listed what was necessary for Phase 1.
dubs Posted April 18, 2020 Posted April 18, 2020 13 minutes ago, Scraps said: The Republicans controlled the House from 2011 - 2019. Facts suck. congress has two houses, just an fyi
Scraps Posted April 18, 2020 Posted April 18, 2020 1 minute ago, dubs said: congress has two houses, just an fyi Read previous posts FYI.
Doc Posted April 18, 2020 Posted April 18, 2020 13 minutes ago, Doc said: Ah so now you're moving on from "Repubs controlled congress" to "my bad, they controlled the House but were solely responsible for not restocking N95 masks." Yes, facts do suck. Never mind the logical fallacy that Dems knew right after the H1N1 pandemic ended that there wouldn't be a pandemic within the 5 years.
/dev/null Posted April 18, 2020 Posted April 18, 2020 4 minutes ago, Scraps said: Fauci didn't say we are ready for Phase 1. He listed what was necessary for Phase 1. So we're not ready to start collecting underpants?
Scraps Posted April 18, 2020 Posted April 18, 2020 1 minute ago, Doc said: Never mind the logical fallacy that Dems knew right after the H1N1 pandemic ended that there wouldn't be a pandemic within the 5 years. Sheesh, your talking to yourself.
Doc Posted April 18, 2020 Posted April 18, 2020 2 minutes ago, Scraps said: Sheesh, your talking to yourself. Am I?
Scraps Posted April 18, 2020 Posted April 18, 2020 Just now, Doc said: Am I? Well you quoted yourself, so it would seem.
B-Man Posted April 18, 2020 Posted April 18, 2020 The Ventilator Shortage That Wasn’t by Kyle Smith Original Article YEAH, WHAT TRUMP WAS DOING SEEMED EVEN MORE OBVIOUS THAN USUAL: “In a classic Trump move, he picked a fight with Democrat governors beforehand over who had the authority to dictate the openings. With his usual bluster, Trump insisted that he did. Suddenly discovering federalism, the governors insisted that they did. In the end, Trump gave the governors the authority they demanded, though the Feds will still supply the data and the non-binding guidelines. That was the outcome Trump desired all along, I suspect, and his fight with the governors was only to bait them into the position he wanted.” Governments incur fury by banning safe activities during coronavirus lockdown. If my sons were to sit on the banks of my local creek in Maryland and cast in a hooked worm, trying to catch a trout or a bass, it would be illegal, even though it has about a 0% chance of spreading the coronavirus. Fishing always requires distancing to avoid lines crossing, and on the average day my sons go fishing there, they see about zero other people. I cleared a copse of bamboo from my backyard this week, and when I tried to drop it off at the county dump, I was told I wasn’t allowed to thanks to Maryland’s stay-at-home rules. I have much more bamboo than I can fit in all my bins/baskets/buckets, so I wanted to do a dump run today and use curbside pickup for the rest tomorrow. Not allowed. Here’s the thing: Driving bamboo stalks from my house to Rockville and dumping it at a very, very spaced transfer station poses no possible risk of spreading the coronavirus. When I pressed the governor’s spokesman on this yesterday, he pointed to Gov. Larry Hogan’s stay-at-home order and its exemptions for “essential” activities. The problem is that the people running things aren’t very bright, and often have hidden agendas. The more you make those things clear, the less authority you have. 2 1
Doc Posted April 18, 2020 Posted April 18, 2020 2 minutes ago, Scraps said: Well you quoted yourself, so it would seem. I did. Because I didn't want it to be missed by adding-it-on to that post. Looks like it worked.
Scraps Posted April 18, 2020 Posted April 18, 2020 Just now, Doc said: I did. Because I didn't want it to be missed by adding-it-on to that post. Looks like it worked. Looks like you don't understand who controlled which houses when, what they proposed for funding versus what the Executive Branch requested
Doc Posted April 18, 2020 Posted April 18, 2020 Just now, Scraps said: Looks like you don't understand who controlled which houses when, what they proposed for funding versus what the Executive Branch requested Again, in one post, the Dems, who controlled Congress in 2010, could have done that, when the H1N1 pandemic was fresh in their minds. They didn't. And they had no idea when the next pandemic would occur so saying "N95 masks are only good for 5 years" isn't a valid excuse.
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