Justice Posted April 16, 2020 Posted April 16, 2020 (edited) We have the money to feed everyone. Cut off the war machine. Dismantle all the bases. Cut off all foreign aid. Edited April 16, 2020 by Justice
Franco_92 Posted April 16, 2020 Posted April 16, 2020 1 minute ago, BillStime said: pigs in mud... What's it like for low-brow coping like this to be the only psychological release from stacking years of sustained, fabricated outrage? You must be on the brink of snapping
RochesterRob Posted April 16, 2020 Posted April 16, 2020 5 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: Being self sustaining is not a bad thing. Telling millions of unemployed people who live in urban areas to just start hunting and growing their own food Is obtuse. That's only part of it. People are going to snap after the umpteenth call from American Express, Ford Motor Credit, Edison, about their late payments. Collecting delinquent property taxes will prove to be hazardous work. 1
Justice Posted April 16, 2020 Posted April 16, 2020 Get your Heisenberg outfits ready then. You’ll need them.
BillStime Posted April 16, 2020 Posted April 16, 2020 1 minute ago, arcane said: What's it like for low-brow coping like this to be the only psychological release from stacking years of sustained, fabricated outrage? You must be on the brink of snapping not at all - Putin pays may well to piss you off GF. keep trying
Justice Posted April 16, 2020 Posted April 16, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, arcane said: Asinine is too mild an adjective for this circumstance Oh yeah? Then why are we taking these necessary steps now? Is it asinine? We might as well not have done it at all then because soon it will all have been for nothing. Edited April 16, 2020 by Justice
billsfan1959 Posted April 16, 2020 Posted April 16, 2020 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Justice said: I’m not ready to sacrifice lives. Maybe you are. I’m not. Money comes and goes. Life doesn’t. Once it’s gone it’s gone. Where do you stop? Do you remove every unheathy food item from society that contributes to the 750,000+ people that die of heart disease every year? Do you mandate forced eating and excercise regimens that contribute to obesity, which is an underlying issue in hundreds of thousands of deaths each year? Do you remove alcohol and drugs that contribute to 100,00 + deaths a year? Do you remove cigarettes and all other things that contribute to the 600,000+ cancer deaths each year Do you shut down the highways and take away cars that lead to thousands of deaths each year? Do we social distance forever, to stop the 35,000-50,000 that die every year from the flu, pneumonia, and respiratory infections? Do montior people 24 hours a day and remove any chance for them to harm themselves to stop the 40,000-50,000 people that commit suicide each year? etc... 5 minutes ago, Justice said: We have the money to feed everyone. Cut off the war machine. Dismantle all the bases. Cut off all foreign aid. Right, so your answer is to leave the nation defenseless and put millions more people out of work. You are a clown Edited April 16, 2020 by billsfan1959
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted April 16, 2020 Posted April 16, 2020 4 minutes ago, RochesterRob said: That's only part of it. People are going to snap after the umpteenth call from American Express, Ford Motor Credit, Edison, about their late payments. Collecting delinquent property taxes will prove to be hazardous work. ...just read where telcom/internet providers agreed with the Feds NOT to shut off services under current circumstances.....but some are doing it anyhow.......SMH......shut off abilities of people to communicate?......scumbags....... 1
Justice Posted April 16, 2020 Posted April 16, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: Where do you stop? Do you remove every unheathy food item from society that contributes to the 750,000+ people that die of heart disease every year? Do you mandate forced eating and excercise regimens that contribute to obesity, which is an underlying issue in hundreds of thousands of deaths each year? Do you remove alcohol and drugs that contribute to 100,00 + deaths a year? Do you remove cigarettes and all other things that contribute to the 600,000+ cancer deaths each year Do you shut down the highways and take away cars that lead to thousands of deaths each year? Do we social distance forever, to stop the 35,000-50,000 that die every year from the flu, pneumonia, and respiratory infections? Do montior people 24 hours a day and remove any chance for them to harm themselves to stop the 40,000-50,000 people that commit suicide each year? etc... Right, so your answer is to leave the nation defenseless and put millions more people out of work. You are a clown All that above was a waste of your time. This isn’t the same thing. What about the poor bastard that watches his health only to die because some dude passed his virus to him? None of us have the answers here. Please don’t pretend to know, because that’s all you’re doing is playing pretend. defenseless? That’s what our nukes are for. Attack us get dropped! Edited April 16, 2020 by Justice 1
Uncle Joe Posted April 16, 2020 Posted April 16, 2020 18 minutes ago, reddogblitz said: I've been saying this for a while. If they do region by region or state by state, then they better do something to make sure the people in the still quarantined states stay where they are. Otherwise they're gonna take it with them. Yes sir, Washingtonians have hunting and fishing restriction ban here in Oregon. Also, we don't want to see you on our beaches. ? Oregon is doing pretty well. We still a lot of businesses operating with newly installed Plexiglas. Majority are wearing masks when out. But NYC and NJ are getting hammered. It should definitely be a regional, soft opening.
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted April 16, 2020 Posted April 16, 2020 10 minutes ago, Justice said: We have the money to feed everyone. Cut off the war machine. Dismantle all the bases. Cut off all foreign aid. ...um....er....uh...oh.....well.....lemme think......ruminating....ok......have your dog take you for a walk with a blue plastic bag handy...SMH......... 1
fansince88 Posted April 16, 2020 Posted April 16, 2020 (edited) 4 hours ago, Buffalo_Gal said: Cuomo is locking us down until May 15th. Link Meanwhile in my county we are not seeing squat. https://scontent.fewr1-5.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/93519531_1468919933279214_6137332576051789824_n.png.webp?_nc_cat=105&_nc_sid=8024bb&efg=eyJpIjoibyJ9&_nc_ohc=33rx0pVnswUAX_EAYhQ&_nc_ad=z-m&_nc_cid=0&_nc_zor=9&_nc_ht=scontent.fewr1-5.fna&oh=7495d4a2bcc3d2333d80584d09d6ce88&oe=5EBEBF24 Edited April 16, 2020 by fansince88 1
Franco_92 Posted April 16, 2020 Posted April 16, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Justice said: All that above was a waste of your time. This isn’t the same thing. What about the poor bastard that watches his health only to die because some dude passed his virus to him? None of us have the answers here. Please don’t pretend to know, because that’s all you’re doing is playing pretend. defenseless? That’s what our nukes are for. Attack us get dropped! There are already going to be a loooooot of deaths directly tied to the coming economic recession. Uncountable numbers connected in hopelessly intricate webs. Staying shut down on the time scale you suggest will cause suffering and death more than an order of magnitude worse than the worst coronavirus models, at the very least. You think you're weighing bills games against death. Those aren't actually the things on the balance the government is trying to use to measure and make decisions. The bills game is replaced with piles of bodies as well. That is why not one country on the entire planet, of any political or economic orientation, will stay closed for even a tiny fraction of the time you suggest. Edited April 16, 2020 by arcane 2
Deranged Rhino Posted April 16, 2020 Posted April 16, 2020 19 minutes ago, Justice said: We have the money to feed everyone. Cut off the war machine. Dismantle all the bases. Cut off all foreign aid. ... Does that apply to our enemies too? Of which there are many, plenty of whom are watching how we respond to see if we're vulnerable to an attack? You can't do that without living in a utopia. We don't live in a utopia. We live in a world with enemies who want to see us burn. Those people just don't go away in times of crisis and say, "gee, you got your hands full, we'll just go over here for a bit". Those people take advantage of weakness. 3 1
Justice Posted April 16, 2020 Posted April 16, 2020 4 minutes ago, arcane said: There are already going to be a loooooot of deaths directly tied to the coming economic recession. Uncountable numbers connected in hopelessly intricate webs. Staying shut down on the time scale you suggest will cause suffering and death more than an order of magnitude worse than the worst coronavirus models, at the very least. You think you're weighing bills games against death. Those aren't actually the things on the balance the government is trying to use to measure and make decisions. The bills game is replaced with piles of bodies as well. That is why not one country on the entire planet, of any political or economic orientation, will stay closed for even a tiny fraction of the time you suggest. I ask again. Why even lock it all down in the first place then? And what models? The ones that we have based on SD? Just now, Deranged Rhino said: ... Does that apply to our enemies too? Of which there are many, plenty of whom are watching how we respond to see if we're vulnerable to an attack? You can't do that without living in a utopia. We don't live in a utopia. We live in a world with enemies who want to see us burn. Those people just don't go away in times of crisis and say, "gee, you got your hands full, we'll just go over here for a bit". Those people take advantage of weakness. Nukes. Why have them then?
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted April 16, 2020 Posted April 16, 2020 10 minutes ago, Justice said: I ask again. Why even lock it all down in the first place then? And what models? The ones that we have based on SD? Nukes. Why have them then? ....r u in quarantine??........ 2
Justice Posted April 16, 2020 Posted April 16, 2020 (edited) Just now, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ....r u in quarantine??........ Absolutely. I have been for over a month. Edited April 16, 2020 by Justice
Deranged Rhino Posted April 16, 2020 Posted April 16, 2020 15 minutes ago, Justice said: Nukes. Why have them then? Because some enemies aren't state based actors (meaning, no country to bomb).
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted April 16, 2020 Posted April 16, 2020 2 minutes ago, Justice said: Absolutely. I have been for over a month. Let me see if I'm understanding you correctly: You want to lock down the entire nation indefinitely. And you don't think this is a bad thing because "saves lives." 2
Buffalo_Gal Posted April 16, 2020 Posted April 16, 2020 (edited) 46 minutes ago, RochesterRob said: The land could not support a wide spread turn to hunting. There are not enough game wardens to make sure that animals such as deer and turkey are not hunted into extinction in a lot of areas. Same with fishing. Not all soils are adaptable to vegetable growing. When you see fields in most WNY counties into a hay crop most years out of a 25 year cycle it means the soil cannot support other crops long term. Plowing the baby Appalachian mountains in the Southern Tier during WWI turned out to be an ecological disaster and many were returned to native growth and even some spots that were open before were planted to trees. You can all come hunt with hubby! There's enough deer on his hunting land to feed a whole lotta people (in season). He will be thrilled I invited you all! ? Edited April 16, 2020 by Buffalo_Gal 1 1
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