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Trump is at the daily briefing, which just started:

 

At the beginning, Trump mentioned that a Payroll tax cut is being considered, as well as helping out hourly workers, should they miss work.

 

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1 hour ago, Tiberius said:

It’s the media! The media is doing all this! 

The USA is just a tad different from Italy. People here should be cautious, but not panicked. 

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I'm really feeling for those older people or those with health problems around the world. Coronavirus hit's the lungs witch makes sense for lots. Older lungs lungs or bad lungs get's hit badly with poor immune system among others. Really think this for older people or those with health problems

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Reminder...............

 

 

I'm a doctor and an Infectious Diseases Specialist. I've been at this for more than 20 years seeing sick patients on a daily basis. I have worked in inner city hospitals and in the poorest slums of Africa. HIV-AIDS, Hepatitis,TB, SARS, Measles, Shingles, Whooping cough, Diphtheria...there is little I haven't been exposed to in my profession. And with notable exception of SARS, very little has left me feeling vulnerable, overwhelmed or downright scared.

 

I am not scared of Covid-19. I am concerned about the implications of a novel infectious agent that has spread the world over and continues to find new footholds in different soil. I am rightly concerned for the welfare of those who are elderly, in frail health or disenfranchised who stand to suffer mostly, and disproportionately, at the hands of this new scourge. But I am not scared of Covid-19.

 

What I am scared about is the loss of reason and wave of fear that has induced the masses of society into a spellbinding spiral of panic, stockpiling obscene quantities of anything that could fill a bomb shelter adequately in a post-apocalyptic world. I am scared of the N95 masks that are stolen from hospitals and urgent care clinics where they are actually needed for front line healthcare providers and instead are being donned in airports, malls, and coffee lounges, perpetuating even more fear and suspicion of others. I am scared that our hospitals will be overwhelmed with anyone who thinks they " probably don't have it but may as well get checked out no matter what because you just never know..." and those with heart failure, emphysema, pneumonia and strokes will pay the price for overfilled ER waiting rooms with only so many doctors and nurses to assess.

 

I am scared that travel restrictions will become so far reaching that weddings will be canceled, graduations missed and family reunions will not materialize. And well, even that big party called the Olympic Games...that could be kyboshed too. Can you even imagine?

 

I'm scared those same epidemic fears will limit trade, harm partnerships in multiple sectors, business and otherwise and ultimately culminate in a global recession.

 

But mostly, I'm scared about what message we are telling our kids when faced with a threat. Instead of reason, rationality, open mindedness and altruism, we are telling them to panic, be fearful, suspicious, reactionary and self-interested.

 

Covid-19 is nowhere near over. It will be coming to a city, a hospital, a friend, even a family member near you at some point. Expect it. Stop waiting to be surprised further. The fact is the virus itself will not likely do much harm when it arrives. But our own behaviors and "fight for yourself above all else" attitude could prove disastrous.

 

I implore you all. Temper fear with reason, panic with patience and uncertainty with education. We have an opportunity to learn a great deal about health hygiene and limiting the spread of innumerable transmissible diseases in our society. Let's meet this challenge together in the best spirit of compassion for others, patience, and above all, an unfailing effort to seek truth, facts and knowledge as opposed to conjecture, speculation and catastrophizing.

 

Facts not fear. Clean hands. Open hearts.


Our children will thank us for it.

 

#washurhands #geturflushot #respect #patiencenotpanic

 

 

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"This Is The Most Frightening Disease I've Ever Encountered In My Career" Says Architect Of National Pandemic Strategy

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An infectious diseases expert at the forefront of the search for a coronavirus vaccine said on Friday that it was the most "frightening disease" he's ever encountered, and that "war is an appropriate analogy" for what the country is facing, as "50 - 70 percent of the global population" may become infected.

Dr. Richard Hatchett, who sat on the White House Homeland Security Council in 2005 - 2006 and was a principal author of the National Strategy for Pandemic Influenza Implementation Plan, and currently heads the Coalition for Epidemic Preparedness Innovations, told the UK's Channel 4:

 

https://www.zerohedge.com/health/most-frightening-disease-ive-ever-encountered-my-career-says-architect-national-pandemic

 

take politics out of the equation and read this based on this Dr's expertise and prognostication. Infections don't mean deaths but the numbers being discussed are staggering if true.

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When asked what concerns him the most about coronavirus, Hatchett said:

"I think the most concerning thing about this virus is the combination of infectiousness and the ability to cause severe disease or death. And we have not since 1918, the Spanish Flu, seen a virus that combined those two qualities in the same way. We have seen very lethal viruses. We have seen certainly, Ebola, or Nipah, or any of the other diseases that CEPI, the organisation that I run, works on - but those viruses had high mortality rates - I mean, Ebola's mortality rate in some settings is greater than 80%. But they don't have the infectiousness that this does. They don't have the potential to explode and spread globally."

 

 

 

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I heard that CNN is trashing Trump (what?!) for holding rallies while there's a Wuhan virus epidemic...but not saying anything about rallies being held by Joe or Bern.  You can't write this stuff!

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End of the year??? Why can't it be tomorrow??? Why does it take so long to go through extensive government regulations? We need government to take this over so that things can get done faster.

1st if Government takes it over then faster is not what you will get. 2nd if you dont test this you can get a bad reaction from rushing it to market. Cant remember which one it was but in the last few pandemics we rushed a vaccine out to market and it messed with those who got the shot. Their immune system is in constant overload even with the introduction of alergies or the common cold they spike a high fever and have to spend time in the hospital.  This needs to take the proper time and precaution. 

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19 minutes ago, Doc said:

I heard that CNN is trashing Trump (what?!) for holding rallies while there's a Wuhan virus epidemic...but not saying anything about rallies being held by Joe or Bern.  You can't write this stuff!

why isn’t he in the Seattle area ICUs giving mouth-to-mouth and praying over the critical condition patients!!!!!!!!

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Actually it was more about how he's risking his supporters getting infected (like CNN cares).

ohhhh gotcha.  And if he cancelled the rallies, I’m sure the headline would be “Is Trump fanning the flames of paranoia over Coronavirus?”

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FACTS AND LINKS FROM CDC, WORLD HEALTH ORGANIZATION AND JOHNS HOPKINS BELOW. Long read but check the data for yourself.

 

Unlike the 'news' I provide links to my data sources and conclusions, you are free to check them out yourself, make your own opinion.

 

Oh Chicken Little, according to the news and Democrats the sky is falling. Plenty of news outlets and lefty social media know-it-alls claim President Trump is 'making up numbers' or too dumb to respond to the Coronavirus. As usual it is claimed that anyone that backs him up is an idiot, or doesn't 'understand math'. I work at a higher education institution and the daily email of alarmist nonsense is pervasive. My Governor is also spreading the seeds of worry and chaos. It allows him to take draconian measures without question.

 

Mini Mussolini recalled all SUNY students abroad in 6 countries and forced them to go into quarantine. The rational approach would have been to reach out to these young adults and allow them to make a decision as to whether they felt at risk (speak with your parents and doctors) and allow a plane fare home if they needed it, and to note that with the plane trip home came a voluntary quarantine

 

Not Mini Mussolini, he ordered all SUNY students in 6 countries home, and forced them into quarantine. Somehow Westchester County couldn't be burdened with the quarantined, and was too close to a major metro like NY, so the quarantined, like NYC feces, will be shipped upstate to the metro Rochester area, a metro of only 1 million people.... Have fun paying a premium price for local organic sourced tomatoes grown in human feces at the new Whole Foods. And hey we added some Coronavirus for zest. With the spare acreage we have from cutting down the trees along the Erie Canal from Lockport to Spencerport, and the new flood lands along the Lake Ontario Shoreline there is plenty of room right? What an environmentalist Cuomo is, but I digress. It's not like the use of human feces to grow food has led to any Cholera outbreaks or anything.

 

Let me ask a basic and fundamental question: Cui Bono? Who benefits from manipulating the public into a frenzy? The Left and their media allies couldn't create a second 'Red Scare', so it has latched onto this virus to scare the public and it is being blown out of proportion.


President Trump's flu virus statistics are coming directly from the CDC website. You can see their current and historical statistics. Look at the 2019-2020 flu season numbers from the CDC directly. If you don't believe the president I dare you! https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/preliminary-in-season-estimates.htm

 

Google CDC and flu statistics and you can find a decade worth of data. It all backs up what the President says about the flu. In one of the Obama years 50,000 people died of flu, even after Obama Care. No outrage, strange how that didn't happen.

According to the CDC there have been 34-49 MILLION cases of flu in the USA this season alone. The variance is due to the fact that not everyone with the flu seeks medical attention or is tested for a positive result. No virus, including the Coronavirus, has a known infection rate. From known deaths and statistical modeling the CDC estimates 20 to 52 thousand deaths in the USA from INFLUENZA this year alone. The 10 year average is also in that range. No one freaks out that 20-50k people die in the USA from the flu every year, but with only 22 deaths from Cornavirus people freak out and call this president dumb.

 

20,000 to 50,000 average deaths vs 22.... I'll need a Democrat to explain that math, since it only makes sense to them, and apparently I am too dumb to understand math.

My most trusted source for Coronavirus data is from Johns Hopkins University.
https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

According to this dashboard the total number of confirmed Coronavirus infections GLOBALLY is 113,584. The number of confirmed deaths GLOBALLY is 4012 at the time I write this.

So put into perspective

CASES:
FLU - USA minimum 34,000,000; maximum 49,000,000
CORONAVIRUS - USA (known) 605
CORONAVIRUS - WORLD (known) 113,605
FACT: At Minimum for every one case of Coranvirus in the USA there have been over 55,000 cases of flu in the USA.
FACT: The flu has infected 431 Americans for every 1 person infected by Corona virus Globally.

MORTALITY:
FLU - USA - Deaths 20,000 minimum, 52,000 maximum
CORONAVIRUS - USA - Deaths: 22

CORONAVIRUS - WORLD - Deaths: 4012

of which CORONAVIRUS - HUBEI PROVENCE (WUHAN) - Deaths: 3024

FACT: You are still 5x more likely to die of the flu in the USA than you are the Coronavirus Globally.

FACT2: You are 909% more likely to die of flu than Caronavirus in the USA today.

FACT 3: Hubei Provence (Wuhan) has 75% of all global Caronavirus deaths


The mortality rate for Coronavirus globally is 3.5% from known cases and known deaths (Johns Hopkins and WHO). 4012/113605 = 3.5%. But as mentioned earlier no known virus infection rate is 100%. Let's account for the number of Coronavirus cases that were not diagnosed in Asia early on. If a person isn’t tested and recovers it is considered a bad flu or cold. All of those early infected and survived numbers are not calculated into the denominator. After reading a few links from CDC and World Health Organization it is estimated the actual mortality rate of Coronavirus is about 1.5%. This seems high given that in China alone the mortality rate outside of Hubei Provence is 0.16%. Like the flu, Coronavirus deaths are focused on infants, the elderly and those with compromised immune systems at areas of outbreak. The concentration of US deaths has been unfortunately in a senior community in Washington State.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-death-rate/
Digging even deeper into the data according to the World Health Organization:
The total Chinese Coronavirus Mortality rate was 2.1%, well below the 3.5% noted
Deaths in Hubei Provence (Wuhan) were 3024 of the 4012 global deaths. (75%)
The mortality rate in Chinese provinces other than Hubei is 0.16%.
The current global mortality rate of Coronavirus, not including Hubei is 0.8%

The Hubei provinces are where the virus first appeared, and containment efforts were botched including the allowance of a large festival. Unknown are the number of early infected that survived. To be fair since it is a novel virus (novel = new) there was no test for Coronavirus. There is no known 'catch and survive' rate. The death rate for known Coronavirus infections in China is 0.16% when removing Hubei. The mortality rate for the common flu is 0.1% to 0.2% in the USA, as has been noted by many.

Using six sigma methodology the infections and mortality rates noted in Hubei are statistically significant. In plain English the infection and mortality rates in Wuhan (Hubei Provence) are almost 3x higher than what is to be expected globally. (3 sigma from the mean higher). But hey I am a dumb Republican that doesn't understand math.

 

So Chicken Littles, is the sky falling? Do not believe the sensationalism of the 'news'. Did you know that Saudi Arabia and Russia are in an oil production spat? Probably not, it's hardly mentioned on CNN or MSNBC. Go figure. The market would have dipped without the Coronavirus scare. Add a viral outbreak scare to an oil spat and you have a classic buy opportunity. Pro Tip: Invest at the end of the week when the bloodletting subsides in the market.

 

To those freaking out, thank you for believing big media, thank you for not doing your own research from the CDC, WHO, Johns Hopkins. Thank you for denigrating everyone you know who is telling you to keep calm even if they have facts to back them up. I will be retiring on my 'Coronavirus' dollars. But hey I 'don't do math' or my own research since I think conservatively.

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4 hours ago, CoudyBills said:

@Tiberius head just exploded.  If that bum can read?  Not sure that teach that in trash can foraging school?

 

3 hours ago, Tiberius said:

Ahhh, old Trash U, the memories! 

 

You couldn't even get into Trash U.  You went to Trash State 

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