Koko78 Posted April 9, 2020 Posted April 9, 2020 50 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: "You people"? Is that a dog whistle phrase? 2
Deranged Rhino Posted April 9, 2020 Posted April 9, 2020 Just now, Koko78 said: Just re-watched that last night. First time in a number of years. It's definitely the last "comedy" made by a big Hollywood studio -- you know, before they started pushing our society to the right with all their conservative messaging and themes 2
Magox Posted April 9, 2020 Posted April 9, 2020 (edited) 8 minutes ago, TPS said: That measure for deaths is not really relevant unless every country is at a similar point along the curve. We'll see how the US fares eventually at the end of this. This type of pandemic has been discussed and prepared for going back to Bush Jr. The most recent "exercise" was Last October. We've gone over this, but the outcome is dependent on how quickly we acted, especially with the ability to test. That was a complete fiasco here. Deblasio, to a certain extent Cuomo, and the Federal Government were slow to act. Newsom was not. The US is more like handful of countries, not one contiguous one... Trump initially hoped it would just go away so his economy would not be harmed, and his media interactions showed this. Then, he finally figured out if he showed leadership that it would help him. Now you can't shut him up.... It is relevant but you are right that there are countries on different curves. So those numbers will continue to adjust. In regards to Trump's words, they were not helpful. But there was a major difference between his words and the government's actions. Behind the scenes they were doing things, the China travel ban for some reason is dismissed by a lot of you folks as if it was meaningless. They created this task force in January. If we are going to be reasonable about this, I think it was everyone's hopes that there weren't going to be hardly any community spread infections and if so that the hopes that there would be some successful contact tracing. The reality is that when we first heard about it in Washington, the fact of the matter was that it was already deep in the U.S at that time. That Washington case was just the canary in the coal mine. And if you listen to what Dr. Birx says, she explicitly makes the case that the reason why the U.S response was slow was because: Quote “When you talk about could we have known something different, you know, I think all of us — I mean I was overseas when this happened, in Africa, and I think when you look at the China data originally, and you said, 'Oh well, there’s 80 million people, or 20 million people in Wuhan and 80 million people in Hubei,' and they come up with the number of 50,000, you start thinking of this more like SARS than you do this kind of global pandemic,” she said. The coordinator then explained that the medical community was not expecting the magnitude of the pandemic based on the data from China. In particular, she referenced the area in which the virus likely originated, Hubei province, for having "close quarters" and implied that the number of cases reported by the country led medical experts to believe the virus was less contagious. "So, I think the medical community interpreted the Chinese data as this was serious but smaller than anyone expected, because I think probably we were missing a significant amount of the data," Birx continued, noting that U.S. officials have a better idea of the virus after following its spread in Spain and Italy. If you take Dr. Birx word at it's face, then I think reasonable people can agree that the U.S's efforts were greatly hampered by the lack of transparency and honesty from China. Edited April 9, 2020 by Magox
Chef Jim Posted April 9, 2020 Posted April 9, 2020 4 hours ago, Q-baby! said: Holy ***** you are not even close. I was talking about the people, not the government. Do you guys even read? So was he. But you knew that.
BullBuchanan Posted April 9, 2020 Posted April 9, 2020 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Magox said: If you take Dr. Birx word at it's face, then I think reasonable people can agree that the U.S's efforts were greatly hampered by the lack of transparency and honesty from China. And why were we in a position where information from a country that we declared economic and politcial war against is our best resource for our own defense? Should we not have maintained the scientists we had that could have done independent analysis? What about the trillion dollars we spend on defense and national security? Why wasn't the CIA involved? Edited April 9, 2020 by BullBuchanan
billsfan1959 Posted April 9, 2020 Posted April 9, 2020 3 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said: And why were we in a position where information from a country that we declared economic and politcial war against is our best resource for our own defense? Should we not have maintained the scientists we had that could have done independent analysis? What about the trillion dollars we spend on defense and national security? Why wasn't the CIA involved? 1 3
Magox Posted April 9, 2020 Posted April 9, 2020 1 minute ago, BullBuchanan said: And why were we in a position where information from a country that we declared economic and politcial war against is our best resource for our own defense? Should we not have maintained the scientists we had that could have done independent analysis? What about the trillion dollars we spend on defense and national security? Why wasn't the CIA involved? Partially because of this: Quote Despite rising numbers in both coronavirus infections and fatalities, China has refused offers of assistance from two of the world’s foremost agencies on infectious disease, according to The New York Times. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has been offering to send a team of experts from its Epidemic Intelligence Service for more than a month to no avail. And the World Health Organization has also met resistance to travel to Wuhan, where the outbreak started. Some top diplomats told the Times that they fear that China does not want to appear to be unable to handle the growing problem alone. The CDC said it hoped that by observing the medical conditions, it could improve an American response to any threat of a widespread outbreak in the U.S. Secretary of Health and Human Services Alex Azar told a news conference on Friday that it was out of his hands. “It’s up to the Chinese,” he said. “We continue to expect fully that President Xi will accept our offer. We're ready and willing and able to go.” 1
BullBuchanan Posted April 9, 2020 Posted April 9, 2020 "President Trump said Tuesday that he did not learn of two memos written in January and February by his own economic adviser warning that a COVID-19 pandemic could kill as many as 2 million Americans until “maybe a day ago.” “I heard he wrote some memos talking about pandemic,” Trump said during a White House coronavirus task force briefing, “I didn’t see them. I didn’t look for them, either.”" https://news.yahoo.com/trump-adviser-warned-of-millions-of-coronavirus-deaths-back-in-january-trump-says-he-only-saw-the-memo-this-week-005304311.html
Q-baby! Posted April 9, 2020 Posted April 9, 2020 4 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: So was he. But you knew that. That’s you go to line! Stupid!
Chef Jim Posted April 9, 2020 Posted April 9, 2020 3 hours ago, Q-baby! said: Once again, you are so wrong. You wish you had my successes. Your inability to comprehend causes you to paint people with the same brush. I don’t subscribe to any of that bull#### you just listed. But carry on smart guy! Says the guy who calls anyone who disagrees with him a Trump ball licker. Hypocrisy thy name is Q-baby.
BullBuchanan Posted April 9, 2020 Posted April 9, 2020 23 hours ago, BullBuchanan said: We're now up to 500 Benghazi's happening every single day and rising. I wonder how many investigations there will be into the administration in charge. Another 485 Benghazi's yesterday and over 360 already today.
Chef Jim Posted April 9, 2020 Posted April 9, 2020 3 minutes ago, Q-baby! said: That’s you go to line! Stupid! Oh so you didn't know that he was also talking about people? I'm sorry I gave you too much credit. Carry on.........
Q-baby! Posted April 9, 2020 Posted April 9, 2020 Just now, Chef Jim said: Says the guy who calls anyone who disagrees with him a Trump ball licker. Hypocrisy thy name is Q-baby. I call ball lickers, ball lickers. Has nothing to do with disagreeing. No matter what Dr. Trump does the ball lickers love it no matter what. You a ball licker? 1 minute ago, Chef Jim said: Oh so you didn't know that he was also talking about people? I'm sorry I gave you too much credit. Carry on......... I know what he was talking about and I know what I was talking about. Now make me a sannich!
Chef Jim Posted April 9, 2020 Posted April 9, 2020 44 minutes ago, Magox said: This is a pretty cool tool that shows the projections of all of the 50 states, their peak points and estimated death per capita predictions. I think some of their states are off, but I suppose we'll soon find out. Yeah NJ's a bit off. Oh wait you're talking about projections. Never mind.
Deranged Rhino Posted April 9, 2020 Posted April 9, 2020 14 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said: And why were we in a position where information from a country that we declared economic and politcial war against is our best resource for our own defense? Should we not have maintained the scientists we had that could have done independent analysis? What about the trillion dollars we spend on defense and national security? Why wasn't the CIA involved? Why were we in a position to trust the globalist community and institutional structures? Why... it must be because we as a society have been pushed towards the "extreme-right", and everyone knows that right of center people have been the driving force of globalism over the past thirty years. .... Wait a second. That can't be right. @BullBuchanan just keeps on proving himself to be dumber than his last post. 1
Chef Jim Posted April 9, 2020 Posted April 9, 2020 5 minutes ago, Q-baby! said: I call ball lickers, ball lickers. Has nothing to do with disagreeing. No matter what Dr. Trump does the ball lickers love it no matter what. You a ball licker? I know what he was talking about and I know what I was talking about. Now make me a sannich! Well this is interesting. Because when I've pressed you to define what a ball liker is your ran away with your tail between your legs. Good job. Oh so you know what he was talking about? Are you sure? Oh #2. It's sammich.
shoshin Posted April 9, 2020 Posted April 9, 2020 47 minutes ago, Magox said: This is a pretty cool tool that shows the projections of all of the 50 states, their peak points and estimated death per capita predictions. I think some of their states are off, but I suppose we'll soon find out. That is the IHME model on an NPR webpage. It's wildly off in some states already (PA has 2x as many deaths n the last two days as it projects) and they just adjusted the model two days ago. It's a GIGO issue but it's the same model everyone has been discussing/attacking here and in the media.
BullBuchanan Posted April 9, 2020 Posted April 9, 2020 13 minutes ago, Magox said: Partially because of this: That would be a fair point, if we were coming at this cold, but we're not. China not wanting to appear weak, or need assistance should be so well known, that we should be more harsh with internal experts that don't understand that cultural identity than we should be with china for having it at this point. We should hold subject matter experts accountable to actually be experts. That includes anticipating disinformation and a lack of transparency.
Deranged Rhino Posted April 9, 2020 Posted April 9, 2020 21 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said: Why wasn't the CIA involved? This is an important question -- which shows (again) how uniformed @BullBuchanan is about reality. Why doesn't the CIA have a strong footprint in China in which to do the kind of things he's asking? Why, that's because the entire HUMINT network was destroyed due to Clinton and Obama's failures (or payoffs) as SecState and POTUS. https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/20/world/asia/china-cia-spies-espionage.html But details! 2
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