The Next Pandemic: SARS-CoV-2/COVID-19

[shoshin]

6 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

Barring a vaccine or natural immunity, we are all going to get it.  Because it can live for a while on things like metal, it only takes one person to continually spread this virus.  What are we going to do? Lock the whole world down again and again and again? 

 

 

Have a plan to deal with it. We are triaging the current wave out of necessity. If we allow the bigger waves to come, and this may be unavoidable, we need to be better prepared to meet them. 

4 minutes ago, Albwan said:

Yea since orangemanbad is kind of stale, lets try to scare the living ***** out of the sheeple, that should work!!!!

 

This is part of a lot of scientific analyses of how this will go, so he's just saying what most scientists accept. To think of what's going on now as anything more than the first wave of many is wishful thinking unless we take drastic measures. As long as there are a few hundred cases here, the 99% of people who don't get it in this wave are at risk. I think we can be ready to slowly reopen on June 1 but it will take a national plan, national backbone, and diligence.  

Edited April 8, 2020 by shoshin

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

1 minute ago, Albwan said:

Yea since orangemanbad is kind of stale, lets try to scare the living ***** out of the sheeple, that should work!!!!

 

hmmmm….sounds like you're doubting Dr. Emanuel's objectivity (COUGH) due to his acquaintances...……….

[B-Man]

 

BUREAUCRACY KILLS: List: 30 regulations that stymied Trump’s virus response.

 

 

LOTS OF DEREGULATORY LESSONS TO BE LEARNED FROM CORONAVIRUS:

 

Don’t expect to read about it in the MSM but lots of bureaucratic red tape in the health care field is being waived to speed the official response to the coronavirus pandemic. 

 

Americans for Tax Reform (ATR) and the Competitive Enterprise Institute (CEI) are compiling lists, pointing to additional areas for action and making the case for permanent reforms.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Buffalo_Gal]

3 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

BUREAUCRACY KILLS: List: 30 regulations that stymied Trump’s virus response.

 

 

LOTS OF DEREGULATORY LESSONS TO BE LEARNED FROM CORONAVIRUS:

 

Don’t expect to read about it in the MSM but lots of bureaucratic red tape in the health care field is being waived to speed the official response to the coronavirus pandemic. 

 

Americans for Tax Reform (ATR) and the Competitive Enterprise Institute (CEI) are compiling lists, pointing to additional areas for action and making the case for permanent reforms.

 

The red tape needs to be permanently cut. That could be one positive to come from this disaster.

 

[Doc]

8 hours ago, Justice said:

SMDH at the right and left arguing over this pandemic. Step away one sec and you might see that Trump did a horrible job and the left wouldn’t have done any better. 

 

If you think the left wouldn't have done any better then Trump isn't doing a horrible job: he's doing the best he can with what information and materials he's got/gotten and the insidious nature of this virus that is wreaking havoc all over the world.  A lot of the same problems like lack of PPE and other critical materials not being re-stocked after 2009 H1N1, or medical equipment production being shipped overseas because of Obamacare, or FDA regulations styming testing or corruption in China and at the WHO are conspired to make this worse.  And if you want to play the blame game like the left likes to do, claiming that Trump fired the pandemic response team and they would have been able to prevent this (lol!), I can say that the left would have waited to close down the borders for fear of appearing racist, which would have allowed hundreds, if not thousands, more infected in to spread the disease silently before we knew what we should be doing, again because China and the WHO lied and obstructed.

 

4 hours ago, billsfan1959 said:

I don't really see many people claiming this is the same as the flu. People have talked about the total number of people that die during each flu season because it is substantial. And there are some seasons that are really bad - just look at the 2017-2018 season depicted on this graph.

 

People like to accuse others of comparing this to the flu and dismiss the flu like it is nothing at all.

 

According to an estimate by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), there were approximately 45 million cases of the flu in the United States during the 2017-2018 influenza season, resulting in an estimated 21 million flu-associated medical visits, 810,000 flu-associated hospitalizations and an estimated 61,000 flu-associated deaths

 

During 2014-2015, There were an estimated 30 million cases, 14 million flu-associated medical visits, 591,000 flu-related hospitalizations, and 51,000 flu-associated deaths

 

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/2017-2018.htm

 

Yeah.  And again, unlike with Wuhan virus, we have an annual flu vaccine that prevents a lot of illness/death.

[Buffalo_Gal]

Here is yesterday's "with" becoming "from" Q&A:
 

 

[Justice]

1 minute ago, Doc said:

 

If you think the left wouldn't have done any better then Trump isn't doing a horrible job: he's doing the best he can with what information and materials he's got/gotten and the insidious nature of this virus that is wreaking havoc all over the world.  A lot of the same problems like lack of PPE and other critical materials not being re-stocked after 2009 H1N1, or medical equipment production being shipped overseas because of Obamacare, or FDA regulations styming testing or corruption in China and at the WHO are conspired to make this worse.  And if you want to play the blame game like the left likes to do, claiming that Trump fired the pandemic response team and they would have been able to prevent this (lol!), I can say that the left would have waited to close down the borders for fear of appearing racist, which would have allowed hundreds, if not thousands, more infected in to spread the disease silently before we knew what we should be doing, again because China and the WHO lied and obstructed.

 

 

Yeah.  And again, unlike with Wuhan virus, we have an annual flu vaccine that prevents a lot of illness/death.

Both sides brushed this thing off in the earliest of stages. We should have closed down the border the second we heard about this. Also telling people this will all go away in a couple of weeks wasn’t good advice at all. We needed quicker decision making at the very start. 

[Westside]

Just now, Justice said:

Both sides brushed this thing off in the earliest of stages. We should have closed down the border the second we heard about this. Also telling people this will all go away in a couple of weeks wasn’t good advice at all. We needed quicker decision making at the very start. 

How about telling people it's ok to go out and shop and eat at restaurants at the end of February? Is that horrible advice or just a tad slow on the decision making?

[GG]

4 minutes ago, Justice said:

Both sides brushed this thing off in the earliest of stages. We should have closed down the border the second we heard about this. Also telling people this will all go away in a couple of weeks wasn’t good advice at all. We needed quicker decision making at the very start. 

 

It's easy to say in retrospect.

 

But starting in early February, the assumptions were that this virus would be similar to the previous pandemics over the last 20 years, and would die off before it truly spread globally.  Obviously that was a bad miscalculation.

[Justice]

4 minutes ago, westside2 said:

How about telling people it's ok to go out and shop and eat at restaurants at the end of February? Is that horrible advice or just a tad slow on the decision making?

And even now telling people to go out and vote 

[Buffalo_Gal]

1 minute ago, Justice said:

Both sides brushed this thing off in the earliest of stages. We should have closed down the border the second we heard about this. Also telling people this will all go away in a couple of weeks wasn’t good advice at all. We needed quicker decision making at the very start. 

With China being less than forthcoming on how contagious this virus is, and it being absolutely impossible to protect against any and all viruses coming out of a Chinese wet market (assuming it was not engineered as a bio-weapon, although it has become a bio-weapon with the Chinese lying and the WHO being their mouthpiece of "all is well!"), no one expected a virus that can live on metal, paper, plastic for days/hours to spread globally. The "we have never seen anything like this" is pretty accurate.  A lot has been learned about this virus since it was released into the wild by China and spread across an unsuspecting world.

Closing the borders the second we heard about this? Pulllleeze.  Closing down flights from China was called xenophobic. Poor widdle innocent China. Why is the big, bad United States picking on them? {sniff}
 

[B-Man]

LIGHT AT THE END OF THE TUNNEL? Dr. Fauci says, ‘beyond this week, should see beginning of turnaround’

 

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[Westside]

12 minutes ago, Justice said:

And even now telling people to go out and vote 

And even now scaring the ***** out of people with the 18 months lockdown talk. 

Edited April 8, 2020 by westside2

[Cinga]

12 minutes ago, Justice said:

And even now telling people to go out and vote 

wow... there happens to be people in underprivileged countries that could be shot for voting yet still go to the polls. Democracy doesn't stop during a crisis, only emphasizes even more the importance of it 

[Magox]

41 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

….FWIW...…….

Biden adviser, ObamaCare architect Zeke Emanuel says US should 'prepare' for coronavirus measures to last 18 months

By Tyler Olson | Fox News

Dr. Zeke Emanuel, an adviser to Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden on the coronavirus, said this week that Americans could be dealing with strict social distancing measures to combat the coronavirus for 18 months and that the U.S. "will not be able to return to normalcy until we find a vaccine or effective medications."

Emanuel, one of the architects of the Affordable Care Act, also known as ObamaCare, is on the Biden campaign's "Public Health Advisory Committee," which is set up to "provide science-based, expert advice regarding steps the campaign should take to minimize health risks for the candidate, staff, and supporters," according to a March press release.

His comments are partially consistent with statements from the Trump administration's medical advisors and federal government documents on the pandemic. But they seem to paint a more grim picture of the country's ability to roll back shutdowns of businesses and public life in general that are aimed at reducing the spread of the virus, which causes the disease known as COVID-19.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-obamacare-architect-zeke-emanuel-says-u-s-should-prepare-ourselves-for-coronavirus-social-distancing-to-last-18-months

 

 

 

 

 

 

If that is what Biden is going with then he loses.  I have a hard time believing that will be his message.

[Justice]

1 minute ago, Cinga said:

wow... there happens to be people in underprivileged countries that could be shot for voting yet still go to the polls. Democracy doesn't stop during a crisis, only emphasizes even more the importance of it 

Are you serious? Mail-in balloting or online voting should be the only type of voting that should be done right now. Gathering people in large groups is the last thing. A gun IS pointing at ALL of us. 

[billsfan1959]

1 minute ago, Justice said:

Are you serious? Mail-in balloting  fraud or online voting  fraud should not be the only type of voting that should be done right now allowed. 

 

FIFY

[Buffalo_Gal]

5 minutes ago, Justice said:

Are you serious? Mail-in balloting or online voting should be the only type of voting that should be done right now. Gathering people in large groups is the last thing. A gun IS pointing at ALL of us. 

WTF!?  Go hide under your bed.  Seriously. 

They say people who do not venture out become more and more afraid of venturing out.  I didn't believe it. Until now.

The LAST THING we as a country should want is mail-in voting or online voting. How to Rig an Election 101. 

 

Edited April 8, 2020 by Buffalo_Gal

[Deranged Rhino]

27 minutes ago, Justice said:

Both sides brushed this thing off in the earliest of stages. We should have closed down the border the second we heard about this. Also telling people this will all go away in a couple of weeks wasn’t good advice at all. We needed quicker decision making at the very start. 

 

Surely you can acknowledge that the reason most downplayed it early (hindsight quibbles aside), is because the global community put its faith in the WHO and the UN, only to discover that they both were helping China cover up the extent of the spread/crisis. This was a failure of globalism on a massive scale, with the lion's share of the blame falling at the feet of the CCP and the globalists of the past 30+ years. 

 

 

19 minutes ago, Justice said:

And even now telling people to go out and vote 

 

Voting is sacred. Letting fear rob us of not only our personal freedoms (as we live under house arrest despite committing no crime), but also our right to vote would be a terrible precedent to set for the future. 

 

Imagine the "fun" bad actors could cause within our electoral process if we set that standard. 

 

 

[Magox]

46 minutes ago, shoshin said:

 

Have a plan to deal with it. We are triaging the current wave out of necessity. If we allow the bigger waves to come, and this may be unavoidable, we need to be better prepared to meet them. 

 

This is part of a lot of scientific analyses of how this will go, so he's just saying what most scientists accept. To think of what's going on now as anything more than the first wave of many is wishful thinking unless we take drastic measures. As long as there are a few hundred cases here, the 99% of people who don't get it in this wave are at risk. I think we can be ready to slowly reopen on June 1 but it will take a national plan, national backbone, and diligence.  

 

 

He's saying even no to Restaurants over the next 18 months.  

 

He can GFH