The Next Pandemic: SARS-CoV-2/COVID-19

[Deranged Rhino]

https://mobile.twitter.com/newley/status/1247770701429215235
 

 

[shoshin]

6 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

Deaths up today.  Good news is spike may be because of backlog of weekend cases just being reported.

 

 

What makes you think that? I see no reports that yesterday was just data catching up.  Every state is up yesterday markedly. And this weekly blip is not something we see every week. It happened last week and then remained high. Looks like a real jump. 
 

Next few days data would have fall preciously to bear your speculation out. I hope so. 

Edited April 8, 2020 by shoshin

[Justice]

SMDH at the right and left arguing over this pandemic. Step away one sec and you might see that Trump did a horrible job and the left wouldn’t have done any better. 

[ALF]

51 recovered coronavirus patients in South Korea test positive again after release from quarantine

 

The virus likely was reactivated, said KCDC Director-General Jeong Eun-kyeong, instead of the people being reinfected once they left, South Korea's Yonhap news agency reported.

 

In March, the South China Morning Post reported that doctors in Wuhan, China – where the virus emerged – said that as many as 10 percent of coronavirus patients had tested positive again after being discharged from the hospital.

 

While surveillance of similar patients showed that 80 to 90 percent had no trace of the virus in their system one month after being discharged from the hospital, Wang said officials were only working with "small samples."

 

“We need a large-scale epidemiological study to guide our disease surveillance and prevention works,” he was quoted as saying.

 

https://www.foxnews.com/world/coronavirus-south-korea-patients-test-postive-again-quarantine-release-covid-19

[shoshin]

1 hour ago, ALF said:

51 recovered coronavirus patients in South Korea test positive again after release from quarantine

 

The virus likely was reactivated, said KCDC Director-General Jeong Eun-kyeong, instead of the people being reinfected once they left, South Korea's Yonhap news agency reported.

 

In March, the South China Morning Post reported that doctors in Wuhan, China – where the virus emerged – said that as many as 10 percent of coronavirus patients had tested positive again after being discharged from the hospital.

 

While surveillance of similar patients showed that 80 to 90 percent had no trace of the virus in their system one month after being discharged from the hospital, Wang said officials were only working with "small samples."

 

“We need a large-scale epidemiological study to guide our disease surveillance and prevention works,” he was quoted as saying.

 

https://www.foxnews.com/world/coronavirus-south-korea-patients-test-postive-again-quarantine-release-covid-19

Testing positive can mean a lot of things, including just that there is remnant of whatever they are testing for in your system. It doesn’t mean you’re sick or contagious. Just to cut off a freak out prematurely. 

 

We will need a lot of tests On hand before we reopen. 

Edited April 8, 2020 by shoshin

[fansince88]

2 hours ago, Justice said:

SMDH at the right and left arguing over this pandemic. Step away one sec and you might see that Trump did a horrible job and the left wouldn’t have done any better. 

OR Trump did a great job and the Left could have done better....OR Trump did a great job and the Left would have screwed it up royally.  OR Trump did an ok job with a virus like which we have not seen in 102 years but the left (media, Q, Tibs and the like) wouldnt take a moment to recognise. I believe the the last is the best option. 

[billsfan1959]

2 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

 

Hey, while you are cuttting and pasting and posting the same nonsense over and over, could you make the font a little bigger?

 

We can almost make it out from here with the naked eye, but not quite.

 

Sincerely,

The International Space Station

[shoshin]

Whenever someone compares covid to the flu on here, you can just link this chart. 
 

But besides that, they are the same. 

[billsfan1959]

39 minutes ago, shoshin said:

Whenever someone compares covid to the flu on here, you can just link this chart. 
 

But besides that, they are the same. 

 

I don't really see many people claiming this is the same as the flu. People have talked about the total number of people that die during each flu season because it is substantial. And there are some seasons that are really bad - just look at the 2017-2018 season depicted on this graph.

 

People like to accuse others of comparing this to the flu and dismiss the flu like it is nothing at all.

 

According to an estimate by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), there were approximately 45 million cases of the flu in the United States during the 2017-2018 influenza season, resulting in an estimated 21 million flu-associated medical visits, 810,000 flu-associated hospitalizations and an estimated 61,000 flu-associated deaths

 

During 2014-2015, There were an estimated 30 million cases, 14 million flu-associated medical visits, 591,000 flu-related hospitalizations, and 51,000 flu-associated deaths

 

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/2017-2018.htm

 

 

 

Edited April 8, 2020 by billsfan1959

[shoshin]

I forget who was here saying that he lives in a rural area and doesn't need to abide by wearing a mask. 

 

 

Rural America is just behind in timing on this, but it's rising now too. Really sad to see this stat today. ####. If you slide the deaths stat back, it's a similar trend. And the confirmed cases is not, but I bet that's just because of fewer tests being available. 

Edited April 8, 2020 by shoshin

[shoshin]

22 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

I don't really see many people claiming this is the same as the flu. People have talked about the total number of people that die during each flu season because it is substantial.

 

 

Even the Surgeon General said it was just another flu. And people here early on were citing flu statistics to show how much worse the flu was. People say things like, "How dare you post anything that even remotely makes comparisons between COVID-19 and the flu?" to make fun of people who were saying you shouldn't compare the flu and covid. I would have been in the club of people thinking this was not a big deal right up until the Jazz didn't play that night. 

 

Not that we needed the chart at this point, but that chart ends the discussion. And death rate alone does not tell the entire story. We are shut down. Hospitals are IGNORING millions of non-covid patients to deal with this. The number of deaths is a stat but it is not the one we should rely on to say, "See, it's just like the flu. We overreacted." If we get a death toll that rivals a flu season, it will have once at great expense.  

Edited April 8, 2020 by shoshin

[Tiberius]

As the number of coronavirus deaths continues to increase, so have demographic observations about the fatalities: More men have died than women, researchers have found, and in areas that collect racial data, the virus is killing a disproportionately high number of black Americans.

But a new study out of Harvard’s T.H. Chan School of Public Health appears to confirm a theory many experts had floated earlier this year: Coronavirus patients in areas that had high levels of air pollution before the outbreak are more likely to die from the illness.

The Harvard study, published Tuesday, is the first conclusive link between long-term exposure to pollution and death rates associated with covid-19 in the United States. Analyzing about 3,000 counties nationwide, the scientists found that higher levels of tiny airborne known as PM 2.5 were linked to higher death rates from the disease.

Francesca Dominici, a Harvard biostatistician who led the research, told the New York Times that the paper “provides evidence” that counties with more polluted air will see more hospitalizations and deaths and should thus receive more resources.

The study has been submitted for peer review and publication in the New England Journal of Medicine. A one-unit difference in the fine particulate pollution of two counties can result in a 15 percent difference in the likelihood that long-term residents will die of covid-19.

Air pollution has been linked to a greater risk of respiratory infection, The Washington Post’s Brady Dennis reported, perhaps because of their effect on cells in our lungs known as “alveolar macrophages.” Although these cells remove particles, microbes and bacteria that travel deep into the airways, pollution particles slow down the alveolar macrophages.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2020/04/08/coronavirus-latest-news/

[billsfan1959]

16 minutes ago, shoshin said:

 

Even the Surgeon General said it was just another flu. And people here early on were citing flu statistics to show how much worse the flu was. People say things like, "How dare you post anything that even remotely makes comparisons between COVID-19 and the flu?" to make fun of people who were saying you shouldn't compare the flu and covid. I would have been in the club of people thinking this was not a big deal right up until the Jazz didn't play that night. 

 

Not that we needed the chart at this point, but that chart ends the discussion. And death rate alone does not tell the entire story. We are shut down. Hospitals are IGNORING millions of non-coved patients to deal with this. The number of deaths is a stat but it is not the one we should rely on to say, "See, it's just like the flu. We overreacted." If we get a death toll that rivals a flu season, it will have once at great expense.  

 

Yet, your entire post that I responded to was about using the number of deaths to say, "See, it's not like the flu."  There was nothing else in your post other than the number of deaths. And in this post, you use the chart of the number of deaths to say, "This ends the discussion." 

 

And then you conclude by saying that the number of deaths is not what we should rely on.

 

BTW, posting the number of deaths from the flu is not an argument for the two are the same. It is simply to say that the flu is not an insignificant thing.

 

And, in the end, the number of people that actually die is an important thing.

 

Edited April 8, 2020 by billsfan1959

[shoshin]

19 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

Yet, your entire post that I responded to was about using the number of deaths to say, "See, it's not like the flu."  There was nothing else in your post other than the number of deaths. And in this post, you use the chart of the number of deaths to say, "This ends the discussion." 

 

And then you conclude by saying that the number of deaths is not what we should rely on.

 

BTW, posting the number of deaths from the flu is not an argument for the two are the same. It is simply to say that the flu is not an insignificant thing.

 

You see something different in that chart besides the total number of deaths.

 

Yes people die from the flu. Maybe as many people die from Covid-19 as usually die from the flu in this wave. It's been said over and over in this thread, often to try to minimize Covid-19. When you said, "How dare you post anything that even remotely makes comparisons between COVID-19 and the flu?" it was a defense of people who make that comparison. It's not good logic. Comparing Covid-19 and the flu is like comparing a tiger and an orange because they reflect a similar wavelength of light. OK I guess but not insightful. 

 

We are talking near each other but not quite in sync. My post was a shot at the many people who keep comparing the two like it adds to a discussion. 

 

19 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

And, in the end, the number of people that actually die is an important thing.

 

 

No arguing that but that's just one of the numbers this thing is racking up that make it so different from the flu. 

Edited April 8, 2020 by shoshin

[meazza]

6 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

Though it doesn’t surprise me that models would be inaccurate based on the constantly changing inputs, it should scare you that places that has this under control like Hong Kong and Singapore are experiencing third waves.

[billsfan1959]

30 minutes ago, shoshin said:

 

You see something different in that chart besides the total number of deaths.

 

Yes people die from the flu. Maybe as many people die from Covid-19 as usually die from the flu in this wave. It's been said over and over in this thread, often to try to minimize Covid-19. When you said, "How dare you post anything that even remotely makes comparisons between COVID-19 and the flu?" it was a defense of people who make that comparison. It's not good logic. Comparing Covid-19 and the flu is like comparing a tiger and an orange because they reflect a similar wavelength of light. OK I guess but not insightful. 

 

1) The chart dealt with nothing but a comparison of the number of weekly deaths associated with COVID-19 vs the flu.

 

2) For the last time. I am not, and, as far as I can tell, nobody else here is claiming that COVID-19 and the flu are the same things or posting flu numbers to minimize the impact of COVID-19. 

3) When you fixate on death in so many posts, and so many other posters fixate on how many people are dying and will die (particularly those blaming Trump for people dying), then it is entirely appropriate tp provide a little perspective on death in this country from other causes - without the automatic response from people like you that we are minimizing the threat of COVID-19 or saying it is the same as the flu.

Edited April 8, 2020 by billsfan1959

[Nanker]

No one is allowed to die in America unless it’s from The CCP’s COVID-19 Wuhan Virus. 

[Q-baby!]

3 minutes ago, Nanker said:

No one is allowed to die in America unless it’s from The CCP’s COVID-19 Wuhan Virus. 

Don’t worry! Dr. Trump has this under control! Like no one has ever had anything under control. It’s tremendous! 

[Q-baby!]

Oh look, Trumptards are worried about the “numbers.”  

 

For all the wrong reasons. Wonder where they got that from? 
 

 

[SoCal Deek]

I have no idea what you guys are arguing about right now. The flu vs Covid? Who really cares. You are BOTH right! Influenza was its own horrific pandemic many years ago and now we have it controlled with flu shots, etc.  The same will be true for this virus...but not for a few years.