ALF Posted April 7, 2020 Posted April 7, 2020 7 minutes ago, Nanker said: Face it Alf, you’re just a racist xenophobe globalist, and fascist wannabe too. So there was no way possible to have lessened the pandemic in the US and disaster to the economy
billsfan1959 Posted April 7, 2020 Posted April 7, 2020 1 hour ago, ALF said: Navarro memos warning of mass coronavirus death circulated in January In late January, President Trump's economic adviser Peter Navarro warned his White House colleagues the novel coronavirus could take more than half a million American lives and cost close to $6 trillion, according to memos obtained by Axios. Navarro's grim estimates are set out in two memos — one dated Jan. 29 and addressed to the National Security Council, the other dated Feb. 23 and addressed to the president. The NSC circulated both memos around the White House and multiple agencie The "naivete, arrogance and ignorance" of White House advisers who disagreed with Navarro "put the country and the world in jeopardy," Bannon said, adding that Navarro was sidelined from the task force after the memo. The Jan 29 memo set out two stark choices "Aggressive Containment versus No Containment." Navarro compared cost estimates for the choices and wrote that the Council of Economic Advisers' estimates for stopping travel from China to the U.S. would be $2.9 billion per month. If the virus turned out to be a pandemic, that travel ban could extend 12 months and cost the U.S. $34.6 billion. Doing nothing (the "No Containment" option) could range from "zero economic costs" to $5.7 trillion depending on the lethality of the virus. On the high end, he estimated a scenario in which the coronavirus could kill 543,000 Americans. https://www.axios.com/exclusive-navarro-deaths-coronavirus-memos-january-da3f08fb-dce1-4f69-89b5-ea048f8382a9.html Wow , if only they took Peter Navarro serious back then So. I'm a little confused here. If Trump ignored the warning signs and waited far too long to do anything, shouldn't those catastrophic predictions be coming through? If you look across every country (with reporting that is expected to be legitimate and accurate) with a significant number of cases, The numbers in the United States more closely resemble the numbers of Germany, whom everyone has touted as doing a great job than the numbers of countries like France, Spain, and Italy.
LB3 Posted April 7, 2020 Posted April 7, 2020 1 minute ago, ALF said: So there was no way possible to have lessened the pandemic in the US and disaster to the economy Why do you keep posting old articles that have likely been posted before? 2
Nanker Posted April 7, 2020 Posted April 7, 2020 Just now, ALF said: So there was no way possible to have lessened the pandemic in the US and disaster to the economy You’re an Azz. What if FDR had stopped the Nazis from killing the Jews. Why didn’t he send assistance to Wake, and also stop the Bataan Death March? Just now, LB3 said: Why do you keep posting old articles that have likely been posted before? He’s a Debbie Downer. He hates Trump and optimism. 2
ALF Posted April 7, 2020 Posted April 7, 2020 2 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: So. I'm a little confused here. If Trump ignored the warning signs and waited far too long to do anything, shouldn't those catastrophic predictions be coming through? If you look across every country (with reporting that is expected to be legitimate and accurate) with a significant number of cases, The numbers in the United States more closely resemble the numbers of Germany, whom everyone has touted as doing a great job than the numbers of countries like France, Spain, and Italy. Yep just a slight increase in the budget deficit no problem
SoCal Deek Posted April 7, 2020 Posted April 7, 2020 Just now, ALF said: So there was no way possible to have lessened the pandemic in the US and disaster to the economy Did you just join the conversation a minute ago? Let me recap: Dr Fauchi screwed up! He was listening to and trusting of his professional circle of academic scientist friends in the WHO. So much so that they ended up being late to shut down air travel from China. That single initial mistake caused EVERYTHING else. That’s it in a nutshell.
GG Posted April 7, 2020 Posted April 7, 2020 22 minutes ago, ALF said: Trump spent the past 2 years slashing the government agencies responsible for handling the coronavirus outbreak In 2018, for instance, the CDC cut 80% of its efforts to prevent global disease outbreaks because it was running out of money. Ultimately, the department went from working in 49 countries to just 10. Here are some other actions the Trump administration undertook to dismantle government-spending programs related to fighting the spread of global diseases, according to Foreign Policy: Shutting down the entire global-health-security unit of the National Security Council. Eliminating the US government's $30 million Complex Crises Fund. Reducing national health spending by $15 billion. Consistently attacking Mark Green, the director of the US Agency for International Development. https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-cuts-programs-responsible-for-fighting-coronavirus-2020-2 Always consider the source.
Nanker Posted April 7, 2020 Posted April 7, 2020 1 minute ago, SoCal Deek said: Did you just join the conversation a minute ago? Let me recap: Dr Fauchi screwed up! He was listening to and trusting of his professional circle of academic scientist friends in the WHO. So much so that they ended up being late to shut down air travel from China. That single initial mistake caused EVERYTHING else. That’s it in a nutshell. Why you RACIST XENOPHOBE YOU!!!! China must be trusted! WHO must be trusted! The CCP MUST BE TRUSTED!!!!!!! The WaPo and NYT and CNN, and MSNBC, MUST BE TRUSTED!!!!
billsfan1959 Posted April 7, 2020 Posted April 7, 2020 Just now, ALF said: Yep just a slight increase in the budget deficit no problem Just answer the question. If Trump waited too long to do anything, shouldn't the numbers in the US resemble what we are seeing in Italy, France, Spain rather than what we see in Germany, who, by the way, the same people saying Trump waited too long have been praising Germany? Here are some current numbers to help you Country Population Tests conducted Tests conducted per million Cases Deaths Deaths per million Cases per million Death Rate of confirmed cases Italy 60000000 619000 10316.67 132547 16523 275.38 2209.12 12.47% Spain 46000000 355000 7717.39 140510 13798 299.96 3054.57 9.82% France 65000000 101046 1554.55 98984 8926 137.32 1522.83 9.02% Belgium 11000000 22615 2055.91 22194 2035 185.00 2017.64 9.17% Germany 83000000 918460 11065.78 103375 1810 21.81 1245.48 1.75% UK 67000000 173784 2593.79 52301 5385 80.37 780.61 10.30% Total 332000000 2189905 6596.10 549911 48477 146.02 1656.36 8.82% United States 331000000 1900000 5740.18 368449 10993 33.21 1113.14 2.98%
SoCal Deek Posted April 7, 2020 Posted April 7, 2020 2 minutes ago, Gary Busey said: Fauci Thanks Gary! I can always count on you for a spelling correction. (Say.....you aren’t secretly my AP English teacher from back in the day...are you? If so you’ve lived a LONG life sir. God bless you!) 1
shoshin Posted April 7, 2020 Posted April 7, 2020 (edited) 9 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: Just answer the question. If Trump waited too long to do anything, shouldn't the numbers in the US resemble what we are seeing in Italy, France, Spain rather than what we see in Germany, who, by the way, the same people saying Trump waited too long have been praising Germany? Here are some current numbers to help you Country Population Tests conducted Tests conducted per million Cases Deaths Deaths per million Cases per million Death Rate of confirmed cases Italy 60000000 619000 10316.67 132547 16523 275.38 2209.12 12.47% Spain 46000000 355000 7717.39 140510 13798 299.96 3054.57 9.82% France 65000000 101046 1554.55 98984 8926 137.32 1522.83 9.02% Belgium 11000000 22615 2055.91 22194 2035 185.00 2017.64 9.17% Germany 83000000 918460 11065.78 103375 1810 21.81 1245.48 1.75% UK 67000000 173784 2593.79 52301 5385 80.37 780.61 10.30% Total 332000000 2189905 6596.10 549911 48477 146.02 1656.36 8.82% United States 331000000 1900000 5740.18 368449 10993 33.21 1113.14 2.98% The concern for me is not about this wave, which we've seemingly gotten under control (leveling phase now, with hopefully dropping in 2-3 weeks if we follow Italy and others), but what comes next. If we assume that we are underestimating the cases by 10X, for a rough number, then all of this will have occurred with only 1% of the population getting Covid-19. How we reopen is really critical to slowly getting back to a functioning economy without having to do this exercise twice or more. I have not yet seen a plan or projection about how to do this, but it would have to involve shitloads of testing and an ability to contact trace and do focused quarantines of people and small communities, that is, don't shut down NY State if only NYC has another outbreak, but on a smaller scale, don't shut down KEnmore Schools if a kid from Lackawanna HS gets it. Rapid serology tests and some way to track the outbreaks and contacts is vital to this effort. Edited April 7, 2020 by shoshin
Warren Zevon Posted April 7, 2020 Posted April 7, 2020 Checked "billsfan1959 posts his favorite chart again" off today's bingo board
Tiberius Posted April 7, 2020 Posted April 7, 2020 36 minutes ago, ALF said: Trump spent the past 2 years slashing the government agencies responsible for handling the coronavirus outbreak In 2018, for instance, the CDC cut 80% of its efforts to prevent global disease outbreaks because it was running out of money. Ultimately, the department went from working in 49 countries to just 10. Here are some other actions the Trump administration undertook to dismantle government-spending programs related to fighting the spread of global diseases, according to Foreign Policy: Shutting down the entire global-health-security unit of the National Security Council. Eliminating the US government's $30 million Complex Crises Fund. Reducing national health spending by $15 billion. Consistently attacking Mark Green, the director of the US Agency for International Development. https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-cuts-programs-responsible-for-fighting-coronavirus-2020-2 And they are still trying to get the supreme court to kill Obamacare, which will throw 30 million people off of health insurance, during a Pandemic! Insane
Warren Zevon Posted April 7, 2020 Posted April 7, 2020 1 minute ago, SoCal Deek said: Thanks Gary! I can always count on you for a spelling correction. (Say.....you aren’t secretly my AP English teacher from back in the day...are you? If so you’ve lived a LONG life sir. God bless you!) If you are going to blame Fauci for EVERYTHING ELSE at least spell his name right.
billsfan1959 Posted April 7, 2020 Posted April 7, 2020 Just now, Gary Busey said: Checked "billsfan1959 posts his favorite chart again" off today's bingo board Just posting current facts on which to base a discussion, Gary. Sorry they don't fit the narrative for some around here. Maybe you could actually try adding anything productive at all to any discussion 1
Tiberius Posted April 7, 2020 Posted April 7, 2020 6 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: Just answer the question. If Trump waited too long to do anything, shouldn't the numbers in the US resemble what we are seeing in Italy, France, Spain rather than what we see in Germany, who, by the way, the same people saying Trump waited too long have been praising Germany? Here are some current numbers to help you Country Population Tests conducted Tests conducted per million Cases Deaths Deaths per million Cases per million Death Rate of confirmed cases Italy 60000000 619000 10316.67 132547 16523 275.38 2209.12 12.47% Spain 46000000 355000 7717.39 140510 13798 299.96 3054.57 9.82% France 65000000 101046 1554.55 98984 8926 137.32 1522.83 9.02% Belgium 11000000 22615 2055.91 22194 2035 185.00 2017.64 9.17% Germany 83000000 918460 11065.78 103375 1810 21.81 1245.48 1.75% UK 67000000 173784 2593.79 52301 5385 80.37 780.61 10.30% Total 332000000 2189905 6596.10 549911 48477 146.02 1656.36 8.82% United States 331000000 1900000 5740.18 368449 10993 33.21 1113.14 2.98% Nope, different countries, different situations
billsfan1959 Posted April 7, 2020 Posted April 7, 2020 Just now, Tiberius said: Nope, different countries, different situations Of course. Pretty in-depth answer there, Tiberius. Hope you didn't overwork yourself in formulating it.
Warren Zevon Posted April 7, 2020 Posted April 7, 2020 1 minute ago, billsfan1959 said: Just posting current facts on which to base a discussion, Gary. Sorry they don't fit the narrative for some around here. Maybe you could actually try adding anything productive at all to any discussion Where are the data from the other North American countries that the United States shares borders with?
Q-baby! Posted April 7, 2020 Posted April 7, 2020 8 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: Just answer the question. If Trump waited too long to do anything, shouldn't the numbers in the US resemble what we are seeing in Italy, France, Spain rather than what we see in Germany, who, by the way, the same people saying Trump waited too long have been praising Germany? Here are some current numbers to help you Country Population Tests conducted Tests conducted per million Cases Deaths Deaths per million Cases per million Death Rate of confirmed cases Italy 60000000 619000 10316.67 132547 16523 275.38 2209.12 12.47% Spain 46000000 355000 7717.39 140510 13798 299.96 3054.57 9.82% France 65000000 101046 1554.55 98984 8926 137.32 1522.83 9.02% Belgium 11000000 22615 2055.91 22194 2035 185.00 2017.64 9.17% Germany 83000000 918460 11065.78 103375 1810 21.81 1245.48 1.75% UK 67000000 173784 2593.79 52301 5385 80.37 780.61 10.30% Total 332000000 2189905 6596.10 549911 48477 146.02 1656.36 8.82% United States 331000000 1900000 5740.18 368449 10993 33.21 1113.14 2.98% So we’re not at zero? Hmmm.
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