The Next Pandemic: SARS-CoV-2/COVID-19

[Tiberius]

Just now, billsfan1959 said:

 

Forget the fact that to equal that testing, per capita, we would have had to administer 2,000,000 tests to their 300,000...

So? 

[RochesterRob]

4 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

 The New York Times reported last week, “South Korea has tested far more people for the coronavirus than any other country, enabling it to isolate and treat many people soon after they are infected. The country has conducted over 300,000 tests, for a per-capita rate more than 40 times that of the United States.”

  Once again I would suggest that South Korea's programs are driven primarily by fears of irresponsibility by neighbors China and North Korea.  

[billsfan1959]

Just now, Tiberius said:

So? 

 

Only that nobody has been able to administer 2 million tests to date, total, much less in the inital days of cases arising....

[jrober38]

2 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

Forget the fact that to equal that testing, per capita, we would have had to administer 2,000,000 tests to their 300,000...

 

Why would conducting 2 million tests be more difficult than them doing 300k?

[Tiberius]

Just now, billsfan1959 said:

 

Only that nobody has been able to administer 2 million tests to date, total, much less in the inital days of cases arising....

That lost month or so could of had us up and running, but you know, hoax 

[billsfan1959]

Just now, jrober38 said:

 

Why would conducting 2 million tests be more difficult than them doing 300k?

 

Show me who was able to produce and administer 2 million tests early on?

[jrober38]

Just now, billsfan1959 said:

 

Show me who was able to produce and administer 2 million tests early on?

 

Show me another developed country affected by this that has 330 million people.

 

No one else has done that many tests because they have a fraction of the population.

 

If South Korea can do 300k tests, there's no reason the US can't do 2 million. 

[3rdnlng]

1 minute ago, keepthefaith said:

 

Most of the published numbers are garbage because countries have not tested equal portions of their populations or their entire populations so nobody knows how many cases really exist anywhere.  The death count is the most relevant number and only if countries are reporting the real numbers. 

You are correct. The death count vs. total population with the caveat that each country started with the virus at a different time. Think of the runners below as representing different countries. 

 

[John in Jax]

30 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

Go to church.

Which church though? How about the High Church of the Painful Truth?

[Buffalo_Gal]

Just now, jrober38 said:

 

Show me another developed country affected by this that has 330 million people.

 

No one else has done that many tests because they have a fraction of the population.

 

If South Korea can do 300k tests, there's no reason the US can't do 2 million. 

Sure, the United States should be prepared for testing of every disease and virus to come out of a Chinese wet market. Makes total sense to me.

 

[Tiberius]

Buffalo made it into the Washington Post, they included a picture of the North Park movie theatre around where I grew up 

 

Swannie House was recently shut down for violating Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo’s order for bars to close. (Libby March for The Post)

 

 

Buffalo’s virus cases pile up even as Cuomo seeks help from upstate health-care staff for New York City

While stressing they are willing to help New York City, local leaders in Buffalo — where the number of coronavirus cases has doubled every three days — are realizing they may need help themselves sooner than they could have imagined.

• By Justin Sondel and Tim Craig

[B-Man]

 

[BullBuchanan]

5 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

 

Why would conducting 2 million tests be more difficult than them doing 300k?

Because that would deflate the argument

[Tiberius]

From the post article: 

“I think we are at least two to three weeks behind New York,” said Thomas Russo, chief of the division of infectious disease at the Jacobs School of Medicine and Biomedical Sciences at the University at Buffalo. “We are kind of at a tipping point right now, and over the next few weeks, we are going to find out just how many cases we have and whether we can handle it.”

 

On Tuesday, for example, the union that represents Buffalo firefighters announced that 16 of its members have tested positive, while another 50 are sick with flu-like symptoms. Seventeen Buffalo police officers have also been diagnosed with coronavirus, according to city officials. Neighboring Niagara County has reported 56 cases, including two 1-year-olds.

[billsfan1959]

1 minute ago, jrober38 said:

 

Show me another developed country affected by this that has 330 million people.

 

No one else has done that many tests because they have a fraction of the population.

 

If South Korea can do 300k tests, there's no reason the US can't do 2 million. 

 

South Korea	51,000,000
Italy	60,000,000
Spain	46,000,000
France	65,000,000
Germany	83,000,000
UK	67,000,000

 

Yeah, I'm sure none of them would have liked to administer 2 million tests...

 

However, since you are such an expert on the topic. Please enlighten us on the logistics of manufacturing, distributing, and administering 2 million tests.

 

Please, we would all love to learn from you.

 

We'll wait

[BullBuchanan]

Just now, billsfan1959 said:

 

South Korea	51,000,000
Italy	60,000,000
Spain	46,000,000
France	65,000,000
Germany	83,000,000
UK	67,000,000

 

Yeah, I'm sure none of them would have liked to administer 2 million tests...

 

However, since you are such an expert on the topic. Please enlighten us on the logistics of manufacturing, distributing, and administering 2 million tests.

 

Please, we would all love to learn from you.

 

We'll wait

Leverage the pharmaceutical companies like Germany did?

 

• Johnson & Johnson — New Brunswick, NJ.
• Pfizer — New York City, NY.
• Merck & Co. — Kenilworth, NJ.
• AbbVie Inc. — Lake Bluff, IL.
• Bristol-Myers Squibb — New York City, NY.
• Eli Lilly and Company — Indianapolis, IN.
• Biogen — Cambridge, MA.
• Abbott Laboratories — Lake Bluff, IL.

[IDBillzFan]

42 minutes ago, Doc said:

No one is turning on him, at least here. 

 

Leftists Are Batschitt Stupid #3,456:

 

This Morning: You're all a bunch of cultists who would never criticize anything this administration does!

 

This Afternoon: Ooooooh, looks like the cultists are turning on the administration!

 

Can't wait to see what stupidity these chuckleheads share tomorrow. Maybe they'll come up with a new definition for 'per capita.'

[billsfan1959]

Just now, BullBuchanan said:

Leverage the pharmaceutical companies like Germany did?

 

• Johnson & Johnson — New Brunswick, NJ.
• Pfizer — New York City, NY.
• Merck & Co. — Kenilworth, NJ.
• AbbVie Inc. — Lake Bluff, IL.
• Bristol-Myers Squibb — New York City, NY.
• Eli Lilly and Company — Indianapolis, IN.
• Biogen — Cambridge, MA.
• Abbott Laboratories — Lake Bluff, IL.

 

And they have been working around the clock.

 

You make statements with so much certainty, that you must be a subject matter expert. So, please take us through the process of developing two million test kits, distributing them, and administering them with the first week or so of cases coming up.

[BullBuchanan]

6 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

And they have been working around the clock.

 

You make statements with so much certainty, that you must be a subject matter expert. So, please take us through the process of developing two million test kits, distributing them, and administering them with the first week or so of cases coming up.

The first week or the first 10 weeks?

Ask germany: https://www.ft.com/content/6a8d66a4-5862-4937-8d53-b2d10794e795
"German laboratories are conducting more than 50,000 coronavirus tests a day, according to data released on Wednesday which laid bare differences in strategy and capacity across Europe. "

Edited April 1, 2020 by BullBuchanan

[GG]

1 hour ago, shoshin said:

 

You're wrong and you've been told why. 

 

Sick individuals should 100% stay home now that we are where we are in this timeline. The "test a lot" to stem the spread opportunity is long behind us here on April 1.

 

If we have a lot of tests available for anyone who wants them coming out of this in June, that is critical to prevent more outbreaks. 

 

Testing is important to stem the spread, and not one person on Pence's panel, including Pence himself, is saying otherwise. 

 

And tracing contacts for positive tests is even more important. 

 

People have been saying that I'm wrong, but not presenting compelling arguments.  Just because someone says I'm wring, does not make them right.

 

It's a pretty simple concept.  Testing is a measure of history.  History may inform the future, but it does not predict it.  To prevent the viral spread, you need to be proactive rather than reactive.  All your points about testing are important to take care of the present, but it does relatively nothing to alter the future unless people's behaviors change.  Whether they are tested or not is immaterial to that change.

 

Nobody is talking about the logistics of developing, testing and rolling out a test that didn't exist across a country the size of a continent.  Even if the fairy tale scenario of the test being available in February was true, the cases in NY would still be climbing because few people took it seriously until March.

 

We have two perfect examples of how changed behavior stemmed the outbreak, even when early testing wasn't available - Washington State & New Rochelle.  Both places did not see continuing growth after they went into lockdown.  Seattle, though did a much better job of maintaining proper virus hygiene, but NY did not, even though the lawyer's identity was known.  Now NY is paying the unfortunate price for being too complacent.