meazza Posted April 1, 2020 Posted April 1, 2020 Just now, jrober38 said: People did that all over the world. People are still doing it in Florida today. Yes because we're not Japanese or Korean. We don't clean up after ourselves when going to a coffee shop, we don't wear masks and we are certainly not as fearful of germs. Comparing apples and oranges.
Rob's House Posted April 1, 2020 Posted April 1, 2020 4 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said: We should have used an existing test and used all of our economic might to massively produce, distribute and perform tests followed by isolation and early access to ventilation, which China discovered was key to enhanced survival rates. Equipment for PPE and treatment should have been made top priority What test do you think we should have used? Also, do you know how we should have mass produced them? And sorry for asking so many questions, but what is this economic might you speak of? The only thing we lead the world in is the cost of healthcare. 1 2
Q-baby! Posted April 1, 2020 Posted April 1, 2020 3 minutes ago, GG said: Korean culture is already adept at social distancing, where there's not much of a change in regular routine. Because this virus isn't transmitted through air, it's easier to stem in a culture that doesn't have as much hand to hand contact. Meanwhile in NY, a week after officials told everyone to chill and stay away from one another, people still had close get togethers It’s not?
meazza Posted April 1, 2020 Posted April 1, 2020 1 minute ago, BullBuchanan said: How about Germany? "According to experts, Germany’s case fatality rate is so low due to its widespread testing. “In some countries only very symptomatic cases are tested (e.g. in Italy) and in others a broader testing strategy is done (e.g. in Germany),” writes Dr. Dietrich Rothenbacher, the director of the Institute for Epidemiology at Ulm University in Germany, in an email to TIME. That means that while Germany is currently the country with the fifth-most infections in the world, chances are that it has fewer unreported cases than many other countries, where testing is harder to come by." https://time.com/5812555/germany-coronavirus-deaths/ Sorry but are we talking about people changing their habits or testing because clearly, I was talking about habit changing to stem the spread of the virus.
Boatdrinks Posted April 1, 2020 Posted April 1, 2020 2 minutes ago, jrober38 said: What event over the next 4 weeks is going to improve their models? With FULL MITIGATION they're saying 100,000 to 240,000 people are going to die based off their models. What factor is going to improve that model? Are we just hoping their math is wrong? Totally agree. Western Democratic societies have for the most part completely dropped the ball due to dragging their feet trying not to ruffle the economy's feathers. Nonsense ! Ruffle the economy’s feathers? More like put it on life support with a failing ventilator. It still may end up too far gone. Shutting it down then would only worsen the damage.
3rdnlng Posted April 1, 2020 Posted April 1, 2020 56 minutes ago, jrober38 said: I 100% agree testing is the problem, and that falls entirely on the Federal Government. Maybe in your Canada, but it doesn't here.
jrober38 Posted April 1, 2020 Posted April 1, 2020 Just now, meazza said: Sorry but are we talking about people changing their habits or testing because clearly, I was talking about habit changing to stem the spread of the virus. We're talking about testing as a way to contain the spread of the virus. The US has failed miserably at testing.
meazza Posted April 1, 2020 Posted April 1, 2020 Just now, 3rdnlng said: Maybe in your Canada, but it doesn't here. In Canada the provincial government is handling this crisis with guidance from the Federal government.
jrober38 Posted April 1, 2020 Posted April 1, 2020 (edited) 1 minute ago, 3rdnlng said: Maybe in your Canada, but it doesn't here. Doctors had to get permission from the CDC to test people. Edited April 1, 2020 by jrober38 1
BullBuchanan Posted April 1, 2020 Posted April 1, 2020 1 minute ago, Rob's House said: What test do you think we should have used? Also, do you know how we should have mass produced them? And sorry for asking so many questions, but what is this economic might you speak of? The only thing we lead the world in is the cost of healthcare. If we were Haiti, we should have used all of our economic might. Where we rank is irrelevant, but then you know that. We could have used The test from the WHO, Germany, or South Korea.
Q-baby! Posted April 1, 2020 Posted April 1, 2020 1 minute ago, Boatdrinks said: Nonsense ! Ruffle the economy’s feathers? More like put it on life support with a failing ventilator. It still may end up too far gone. Shutting it down then would only worsen the damage. Does it matter if everyone is dead?
meazza Posted April 1, 2020 Posted April 1, 2020 Just now, jrober38 said: We're talking about testing as a way to contain the spread of the virus. The US has failed miserably at testing. Pretty much every country except for countries that were already affected by SARS reacted quickly enough in that context. Personally I don't think looking back changes anything now. History will be the judge in 6 months to a year.
BullBuchanan Posted April 1, 2020 Posted April 1, 2020 1 minute ago, 3rdnlng said: Maybe in your Canada, but it doesn't here. The Trump administration explicitly forbade testing in WA and NY at first. I won't claim to know the exact reasons, but Trump didn't want a cruise ship of infected Americans docking because "I like our numbers". 2
3rdnlng Posted April 1, 2020 Posted April 1, 2020 53 minutes ago, mannc said: Only a Bills fan would spell it that way. He's Canadian.
Boatdrinks Posted April 1, 2020 Posted April 1, 2020 Just now, Q-baby! said: Does it matter if everyone is dead? Everyone won’t die from this virus. Not even close. Many will have mild to no symptoms. That’s not the issue. It’s lack of resources to care for those who need it because it’s so contagious. This virus on its own isn’t a death sentence. 1
jrober38 Posted April 1, 2020 Posted April 1, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, meazza said: Pretty much every country except for countries that were already affected by SARS reacted quickly enough in that context. Personally I don't think looking back changes anything now. History will be the judge in 6 months to a year. You're right. Most politicians will have their head on the chopping block in 7 months based off the mistakes they made over the past 6 weeks. This is going to be a colossal disaster. Edited April 1, 2020 by jrober38
Boatdrinks Posted April 1, 2020 Posted April 1, 2020 Just now, jrober38 said: You're right. Most politicians heads will be on the chopping block in 7 months. This is going to be a colossal disaster. There won’t be an economy for the healthy, that will be the disaster. 1 1 1
jrober38 Posted April 1, 2020 Posted April 1, 2020 Just now, Boatdrinks said: There won’t be an economy for the healthy, that will be the disaster. Peoples lives are more important. The economy will eventually recover. Once you're dead, you're dead. 1
Q-baby! Posted April 1, 2020 Posted April 1, 2020 2 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: There won’t be an economy for the healthy, that will be the disaster. Whatever.
meazza Posted April 1, 2020 Posted April 1, 2020 3 minutes ago, jrober38 said: You're right. Most politicians heads will be on the chopping block in 7 months. This is going to be a colossal disaster. I think Trump will survive because the alternative will prove to be inept. Seems like the Canadians are still happy with Trudeau. The European leaders will be a mess though. In Italy, the government isn't helping the people much. 1
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