The Next Pandemic: SARS-CoV-2/COVID-19

[Tiberius]

No way there will not be law suits about this all over the world. 

 

BRUSSELS — The death of a French grocery store cashier is raising worries in her country about the safety of the food supply and the vulnerability of workers on the front lines of the crisis.

Aicha Issadounene, 52, died Thursday after being infected by the novel coronavirus earlier in the month. She was a cashier at a suburban Paris outlet of France’s largest supermarket chain, Carrefour.

Her death has prompted anger from the French union that represents supermarket workers, which says that employees of the food stores are being forced to work under unsafe conditions, interacting with hundreds of people a day under circumstances that often require far closer contact than the recommended six feet separation to avoid transmission of the coronavirus.

The fears about the vulnerability of grocery stores and the employees who staff them being are echoed around the world, with access to food stores being limited in industrialized countries in ways that have rarely been seen outside wartime.

Issadounene had been ill and had stopped working on March 17, the first day of France’s nationwide partial lockdown. It was not clear where she contracted the illness. Store workers told French outlets that she took the metro to work, another source of close contact with other infected people.

“The store manager and the manager’s team were in daily contact with her, then with her family, during her illness,” the Carrefour Group said in a statement to Le Parisien, a French newspaper.

A top French union leader said that stores needed to take better precautions.

“We warned about this from the start. But we’ve let the stores run at full speed. Nobody listened to us,” Amar Lagha, secretary general of France’s General Confederation of Labor, told Le Parisien.

Other supermarket workers around the world, including one in San Jose and another in Canada, have also died from covid-19.

By Michael Birnbaum

[Buffalo_Gal]

Trump Admin Names Gun Makers, Retailers Essential Businesses Nationwide
 

President Trump’s Department of Homeland Security released updated guidelines naming gun manufacturers and retailers as essential on Saturday, which means they are to stay open and operational nationwide during a Chinese coronavirus shutdown.

* Workers supporting the manufacturing of safety equipment and uniforms for law enforcement, public safety personnel, and first responders.
* Workers supporting the operation of firearm or ammunition product manufacturers, retailers, importers, distributors, and shooting ranges.
 

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[leh-nerd skin-erd]

1 minute ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

Cuomo threatens lawsuit over Rhode Island crackdown on virus-fleeing New Yorkers
 

New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo is threatening to sue Rhode Island over its new coronavirus policy that calls for police to stop cars with New York license plates and has seen National Guard members go door-to-door to ask if anyone has arrived from the Empire State.
 

Rhode Island Gov. Gina Raimondo -- like Cuomo, a Democrat -- announced the drastic new policies last week to limit the spread of the coronavirus. New York is the epicenter of the outbreak in the U.S., confirming more than 52,000 cases of COVID-19 and recording more than 700 deaths.
 

"I understand the goal ... but there’s a point of absurdity, and I think what Rhode Island did is at that point of absurdity," said Cuomo. “We have to keep the ideas and the policies we implement positive rather than reactionary and emotional.”
 

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Can’t ask for papers, gotta ask for papers, open borders, close borders...worried NYers can’t find sanctuary in Rhode Island....
 

Liberals...

[Q-baby!]

Gotta head out and add some more wood to the smoker. Hope to see you all at Easter Mass! 
Cheers! 

[Tiberius]

Greenland’s capital bans sale of alcohol, cites link to domestic abuse during lockdown

Greenland’s capital, Nuuk, has banned the sale of alcohol after authorities noted a rise in domestic abuse since the government ordered people to stay home to stave off the coronavirus.

“At the heart of my decision is the protection of children; they have to have a safe home,” Prime Minister Kim Kielsen said Saturday, according to Agence France-Presse.

The Arctic island closed schools on March 23, after which authorities said there was a rise in reports of family violence and child abuse.

Greenland’s health minister tied the increase in incidents in part to excessive alcohol consumption impairing people’s judgment.

“Unfortunately, in Nuuk, domestic violence has been on the rise in recent weeks,” Martha Abelsen told local media, according to AFP.

The ban went into effect Saturday and lasts until April 15, AFP reported.

An autonomous Danish territory, Greenland has among the highest suicide rates in the world. It also has notoriously high rates of child abuse, with one in three children reportedly sexually abused, according to AFP and local media estimates.

As more countries impose lockdowns to contain the coronavirus, advocates for victims of domestic abuse in Europe and Asia told The Washington Post that they have reported increases in violence against women and children at home.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

16 hours ago, Tiberius said:

Wild swings with this guy, open by Easter one moment, next, its close down society. I guess its really sinking into him this is serious 

Yup, listen to the scientists not the conspiracy theorists 

 

 

...in the true spirit of NEEDING TO "let a crisis go to waste politically", I refuse to politicize this crisis nor point fingers....BOTH sides have displayed their unpreparedness.....expecting the Feds REGARDLESS OF WHO IS IN POWER to have a magic wand of "we're all better" is nonsense......The Feds cannot even do that in natural disaster (ie. FEMA) responses....politicizing this crisis does NOT save one damn , precious life...yet the  "Beltway 535" cannot put their damn fingers in their pockets for ONE moment......at the same time, as both Fed and states respond, it is repulsive that portions of this society continue to ignore even the BASIC suggestions of mitigation.....guess the fickle will "forever be fickle"....just pray the TBD brethren heeds ALL "stay safe advice" in survival mode, so we're all here to argue down the road......Godspeed friends.......

[billsfan1959]

18 minutes ago, Q-baby! said:

Gotta head out and add some more wood to the smoker. Hope to see you all at Easter Mass! 
Cheers! 

 

C'mon, you can't fool us. We know your just switching over to pornhub for awhile before your parents come down to the basement to tell you to go out and mow the grass

Edited March 29, 2020 by billsfan1959

[B-Man]

 

 

WHAT WOULD WE DO WITHOUT EXPERTS? 

 

Experts say face masks can help slow COVID-19, despite previous claims.

 

 

 

 

 

WHO EXPERT MYSTERIOUSLY DISAPPEARS FROM WEBSITE AFTER CARRYING WATER FOR CHINA:

 

 

“So: Why did Bruce Aylward behave that way during that interview, and why did WHO just scrub him from their site?

Is he okay? Is he physically safe? And can anyone at WHO explain any of this?”

 

 

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[Franco_92]

25 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

 

I do have to ask, what has the EU done for its constituent nations and people? I see Russian military vehicles on the streets of Italy bringing supplies. What has Brussels done? Maybe it's something - I don't know what.

[Doc]

40 minutes ago, Foxx said:

hey 4mer, this is off topic but i have been wondering for sometime now, ever since i first saw you use it. why is it that you choose to refer to the common colloquial, 'Occam's razor' as Occam's shaver? I have never seen it referred to in that light and am just curious why you prefer to use your pet twist on it?

 

TYIA

 

It's a play on "razor." 

 

20 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

Cuomo threatens lawsuit over Rhode Island crackdown on virus-fleeing New Yorkers
 

New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo is threatening to sue Rhode Island over its new coronavirus policy that calls for police to stop cars with New York license plates and has seen National Guard members go door-to-door to ask if anyone has arrived from the Empire State.
 

Rhode Island Gov. Gina Raimondo -- like Cuomo, a Democrat -- announced the drastic new policies last week to limit the spread of the coronavirus. New York is the epicenter of the outbreak in the U.S., confirming more than 52,000 cases of COVID-19 and recording more than 700 deaths.
 

"I understand the goal ... but there’s a point of absurdity, and I think what Rhode Island did is at that point of absurdity," said Cuomo. “We have to keep the ideas and the policies we implement positive rather than reactionary and emotional.”
 

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That's idiotic.  It flies in the face of what Cuomo was telling his people to do.  Is he upset that others are telling them what to do?  Moron.

[Foxx]

27 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

It's a play on "razor." ...

 

i understand that. however... razor and shaver have two different meanings.

[B-Man]

 

[TPS]

1 hour ago, 3rdnlng said:

Spring break, Mardi Gras and the *****heads from NYC who abandoned the sinking ship that is NYC to go to their second homes and vacation places and insure that they spread the virus. Reports are that starting a few weeks ago private jets were heading from NY to FLA in record numbers. Normally Chautauqua Institution doesn't operate their gate system until their 9-week Summer. They've had so many people from NYC and elsewhere open up their Summer homes that they have to operate that system now. We should have quarantined NYC and the surrounding areas even before De Blasio and his Health Commissioner quit encouraging people to party and ride the subway. 

Yes, Deblasio's actions in NYC are just like Trump's on a national scale, they were both more concerned about the economy, underestimating how serious this would be.

People leaving NYC was minor compared to spring break, much like mardi gras as you said.  And all those breakers went back to their respective states. 

There's a nice little piece using cell phone data showing the impact from spring break and where they all went back.  

[Buffalo_Gal]

1 minute ago, TPS said:

Yes, Deblasio's actions in NYC are just like Trump's on a national scale, they were both more concerned about the economy, underestimating how serious this would be.

People leaving NYC was minor compared to spring break, much like mardi gras as you said.  And all those breakers went back to their respective states. 

There's a nice little piece using cell phone data showing the impact from spring break and where they all went back.  

 Sayyyyy do you know what Trump is legally allowed to do with a "lock down" vs what de Blasio was/is allowed to do with a "lock down"?

Anyhooo we are all gonna get this. It is inevitable. It is just a matter of how much worse the "cure" will be than the disease.

 

[Doc]

41 minutes ago, Foxx said:

i understand that. however... razor and shaver have two different meanings.

 

"Razor" = old-style metal instrument to cut hair

"Shaver" = new-style electric instrument to cut hair

[TPS]

And on the good news front..

 

 

[GG]

2 hours ago, TPS said:

I assume sarcasm.

Data from the Diamond Princess found that the asymptomatic cases were a minimum of 18%, but probably higher since the sample consisted disproportionately of older people.  Why do you think estimates of the impact were so extreme, even with a CFR of 1%?  Because the R0 of 2.5 - 3 combined with a relatively high number who don't show symptoms at all, or for at least 5-7 days.  Without extreme measures of social distancing, a large % of the population would get it. We're about to see how being lackadaisical about the policy impacts FL.  That, and I'll say it again, you mentioned "culture" as a factor influencing the spread, and I totally agree with you.  We are a nation with a large % of selfish A$$holes who don't care if they get it, and would rather continue partying.  Sorry, but there's no ***** way we "get back to work" next month.  Maybe by June...   

 As for Mass vs NY, over the past 2 days, new cases in MA increased by about 2,000, and in MY 15,000, despite the "faster growth rate" in MA.  

The virus is getting everywhere eventually.  That's not an excuse for how the governor responds either.  And, allowing spring breakers to party was the biggest influence of all.

 

Now Diamond Princess is a good barometer for the spread?    Isn't that good news that in the most perfect petri dish for the virus, not everyone contracted the disease and died?

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

..we in construction do what we call a "post project review", regardless of success or failures......success tells us what measures to replicate on future projects...failures tell us what we did that went wrong so we can avoid similar pitfalls on future projects......perhaps a stretch, but Fed and state governments should possibly (um ok) employ a similar process with response to disaster responses.......yes I'll admit that pro-active preparedness thinking is  non-sequitur with all knowing politicians.... ..

[Boatdrinks]

1 hour ago, Tiberius said:

No way there will not be law suits about this all over the world. 

 

BRUSSELS — The death of a French grocery store cashier is raising worries in her country about the safety of the food supply and the vulnerability of workers on the front lines of the crisis.

Aicha Issadounene, 52, died Thursday after being infected by the novel coronavirus earlier in the month. She was a cashier at a suburban Paris outlet of France’s largest supermarket chain, Carrefour.

Her death has prompted anger from the French union that represents supermarket workers, which says that employees of the food stores are being forced to work under unsafe conditions, interacting with hundreds of people a day under circumstances that often require far closer contact than the recommended six feet separation to avoid transmission of the coronavirus.

The fears about the vulnerability of grocery stores and the employees who staff them being are echoed around the world, with access to food stores being limited in industrialized countries in ways that have rarely been seen outside wartime.

Issadounene had been ill and had stopped working on March 17, the first day of France’s nationwide partial lockdown. It was not clear where she contracted the illness. Store workers told French outlets that she took the metro to work, another source of close contact with other infected people.

“The store manager and the manager’s team were in daily contact with her, then with her family, during her illness,” the Carrefour Group said in a statement to Le Parisien, a French newspaper.

A top French union leader said that stores needed to take better precautions.

“We warned about this from the start. But we’ve let the stores run at full speed. Nobody listened to us,” Amar Lagha, secretary general of France’s General Confederation of Labor, told Le Parisien.

Other supermarket workers around the world, including one in San Jose and another in Canada, have also died from covid-19.

By Michael Birnbaum

Lawsuits is what you think about ? Crazy Lib Tibs....Bottom line , there is NO fixing this thing fast. Sucks, but it’s true. It cannot, however be an excuse to slide into the abyss of dictatorship and communism. We simply have to go back to work, take extra hygiene measures and hope for the best. Scientists will say keep everything locked down for months or a year because they are only focused on if this virus spreads. They will still be in demand and have a job. The rest of society at large cannot operate that way. Can’t hunker down and be shut down for very much longer without disastrous effects. The rest of society doesn’t owe us a job, owe us total protection from getting sick, or owe us a guarantee that a hospital will always be able to treat every one of us. Libs are going to lib in a crisis like this and try to create their dreamed of utopia. Few freedoms, and government’s heavy handed control of everything knows what’s best for us. Amazing how many want to get the economy restarted soon, and the most liberal amongst us want more government restrictions, less people working, and general government control of every aspect of daily life - right down to your healthcare. Interesting that even though the world at large had inadequate supplies for such a medical crisis, the USA had the most ventilators, ICU beds etc per 1000 population than anywhere else. Socialized medicine is more skimpy and stingy than what we have at home. 

[\GoBillsInDallas/]

1 hour ago, Tiberius said:

Greenland’s capital bans sale of alcohol, cites link to domestic abuse during lockdown

Greenland’s capital, Nuuk, has banned the sale of alcohol after authorities noted a rise in domestic abuse since the government ordered people to stay home to stave off the coronavirus.

 

What exactly is there to do in Greenland besides stay home and drink?