The Next Pandemic: SARS-CoV-2/COVID-19

[meazza]

2 minutes ago, mannc said:

And China was criticized for not acting quickly enough. 

Yes.  I’m not using China as a reference. Taiwan and South Korea were excellent in handling this but they have extensive experience with viruses.

 

 

[Hardhatharry]

Just now, mannc said:

According to the WHO, every year 500,000 to 600,000 people die worldwide of the seasonal flu.  Four months into this crises, we've got about 11,000 deaths from CV19 worldwide.  Something is wrong with the experts' projections. 

Man this guy is a ***** idiot lol

[jrober38]

12 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

Actually, 20 - 30 million people do get the flu each year.

 

"CDC estimates that the burden of illness during the 2018–2019 season included an estimated 35.5 million people getting sick with influenza, 16.5 million people going to a health care provider for their illness, 490,600 hospitalizations, and 34,200 deaths from influenza"

 

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/2018-2019.html

 

Right.

The flu doesn't go away. Influenza is constantly mutating which is why it can't be eradicated. That's why you can catch it several times over the span of a few weeks. 

 

In a world with 7.5 billion people, many of them are carrying around influenza right now, spreading it to other people all over the globe. It's been around for thousands of years. 

 

COVID-19 started with one person in China, who has slowly been spreading it all over the world. It's been around for 4 months. 

 

There's an obvious difference as to why corona virus hasn't killed as many people yet. 

Edited March 24, 2020 by jrober38

[SirAndrew]

1 minute ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

And that right there is the problem. A whole lot of sheeple "trust them."

I’m one of the biggest skeptics on earth, but the data shows it to be much more deadly than the flu. Argue against lock downs, quarantines, and the destruction of our economy. I’ll engage in that debate, as I believe it has some merit. To say that it’s not more deadly than the flu is absurd. 

1 minute ago, mannc said:

According to the WHO, every year 500,000 to 600,000 people die worldwide of the seasonal flu.  Four months into this crises, we've got about 11,000 deaths from CV19 worldwide.  Something is wrong with the experts' projections. 

We don’t quarantine and lockdown entire nations over the flu. That’s why more death from the flu. Have you not noticed the extreme measures being taken?  They do have an impact. 

[jrober38]

4 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

And that right there is the problem. A whole lot of sheeple "trust them."

 

Why would I not trust a bunch of doctors who have decades of experience?

 

Why would you trust politicians with no medical expertise at all ahead of the actual experts?

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Just now, SirAndrew said:

To say that it’s not more deadly than the flu is absurd. 

 

it may well be.

 

But committing economic hari-kiri to POTENTIALLY stop something that MAY kill  less than 1% of the population is utterly ######ed.

 

Just now, jrober38 said:

 

Why would I not trust a bunch of doctors who have decades of experience?

 

Why would you trust politicians with no medical expertise at all ahead of the actual experts?

 

I don't trust either.

 

I don't trust anyone who comes at me with an air of authority. If there's one thing I've learned in life it's that.

 

[Buffalo Bills Fan]

Just now, billsfan1959 said:

 

I'm not comparing it to the flu. My point was to those people who act as if the flu is nothing at all.

 

As to this virus, I have no idea how it will end and neither does anyone else. I just don't see the usefulness of people running around predicting millions and millions of deaths

 

 

Ya I know you were not. Hear that from lots of people.. A lady I helped out month ago it is just a flu. Now it is worse than the flu. Since spread outta china. She;s older understand why has to be worried.   Live in a rural area never thought getting cases here where I live at in USA.  All around where I live it.  Looks like getting bigger and bigger. Like USA was behind lots of countries now third in most cases. (Just started). Plus it's a huge country. Not tip of ice berg just yet.

 

Have no data cause million's of deaths. But wouldn't rule it out neither. But possibly for the world sadlyfor deaths in million. (Not saying just USA) 

[Hardhatharry]

Just now, jrober38 said:

 

Why would I not trust a bunch of doctors who have decades of experience?

 

Why would you trust politicians with no medical expertise at all ahead of the actual experts?

Trump just killed a couple of his supporters by giving them bad advice. So let Trump weed out these idiots?

[Warren Zevon]

2 minutes ago, mannc said:

According to the WHO, every year 500,000 to 600,000 people die worldwide of the seasonal flu.  Four months into this crises, we've got about 11,000 deaths from CV19 worldwide.  Something is wrong with the experts' projections. 

 

1 x 2 x 2 x 2 = 8 (4 factors)

 

1 x 2 x 2 x 2 x 2 x 2 x 2 x 2 = 128 (8 factors)

 

Simple math but that's the difference between 4 and 8 months.

 

[SirAndrew]

1 minute ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

it may well be.

 

But committing economic hari-kiri to POTENTIALLY stop something that MAY kill  less than 1% of the population is utterly ######ed.

 

Now that’s a debate which has merit. If our lockdown continues, there will be a major economic depression that takes lives. The issue is the virus kills less than 1% with proper medical care. If everyone goes out again, the system becomes over loaded, and the death rate could rise up to 10% in a hurry. 

[jrober38]

3 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

it may well be.

 

But committing economic hari-kiri to POTENTIALLY stop something that MAY kill  less than 1% of the population is utterly ######ed.

 

 

What if it kills 5% of the population?

 

Or 8% like in Italy?

How many lives are expendable? 

Edited March 24, 2020 by jrober38

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Just now, SirAndrew said:

Now that’s a debate which has merit. If our lockdown continues, there will be a major economic depression that takes lives. The issue is the virus kills less than 1% with proper medical care. If everyone goes out again, the system becomes over loaded, and the death rate could rise up to 10% in a hurry. 

 

This thing isn't gonna kill 30 million people in the US.

 

That's what I'm talking about.

 

Even IF it was WORST CASE, we'd be looking at 3 million dead.

 

Maybe. No one knows.

 

[Hardhatharry]

Just now, jrober38 said:

 

What if it kills 5% of the population?

 

Or 8% like in Italy?

How many lives are expendible?

As long as Joe is alive I don't think he thinks past that.

[mannc]

2 minutes ago, SirAndrew said:

I’m one of the biggest skeptics on earth, but the data shows it to be much more deadly than the flu. Argue against lock downs, quarantines, and the destruction of our economy. I’ll engage in that debate, as I believe it has some merit. To say that it’s not more deadly than the flu is absurd. 

We don’t quarantine and lockdown entire nations over the flu. That’s why more death from the flu. Have you not noticed the extreme measures being taken?  They do have an impact. 

That's a great point.  We don't do that because it's been around for a long time, it usually doesn't kill people who aren't already sick (although unlike CV19 flu does kill lots of children).  And you can vaccinate for it.  I do think we should be taking serious action to prevent the spread of CV19, but we should NOT be committing economic suicide, which is what's happening now. 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

1 minute ago, jrober38 said:

 

What if it kills 5% of the population?

 

 

 

It's not going to kill 15 million people.

 

And even if, by some fever-dream stretch of the imagination it did, how many MORE will be permanently impoverished to save those 15 million?

 

I'd argue that numbers a WHOLE lot bigger.

 

1 minute ago, Hardhatharry said:

As long as Joe is alive I don't think he thinks past that.

 

Let's get something straight, you roach.

 

You know *****-all about me, and I couldn't care less about you. So take a walk.

 

[Warren Zevon]

#WalkAway

[Hardhatharry]

1 minute ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

It's not going to kill 15 million people.

 

And even if, by some fever-dream stretch of the imagination it did, how many MORE will be permanently impoverished to save those 15 million?

 

I'd argue that numbers a WHOLE lot bigger.

 

 

Let's get something straight, you roach.

 

You know *****-all about me, and I couldn't care less about you. So take a walk.

 

Lol says the clueless guy.

You don't care about right information either.

Edited March 24, 2020 by Hardhatharry

[jrober38]

Just now, Joe in Winslow said:

 

It's not going to kill 15 million people.

 

And even if, by some fever-dream stretch of the imagination it did, how many MORE will be permanently impoverished to save those 15 million?

 

I'd argue that numbers a WHOLE lot bigger.

 

 

How do you know?

 

The mortality rate in Italy is 8%.

 

In Spain it's 6%. 

 

This thing hasn't even hit hard yet. In two weeks when NYC hospitals are completely overwhelmed and people are dying in the hallways the death rate is going to begin to rise. 

[fansince88]

34 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

 

You don't seem to understand how pandemics spread.

 

Everyone doesn't get it the same time. It spreads.

 

Person A gives COVID-19 to 3 people (the average transmission based off data I've seen), who each give it to 3 people, who each give it to 3 people, etc.

 

By the time it's been transmitted 10 times, 30,000 people have it. 

That's how this thing will spread.

 

45,000 people (knowingly) have it right now in the US. In a few days after each of them have given it to 3 more people, 135,000 people will have it.

 

A few days after that 400,000 people will have it.

 

In a month if the curve isn't flatter, millions of people might have it, and tens of thousands will be dead. 

This is actually 59049 isnt it?

1×3×3×3×3×3×3×3×3×3×3=59049

Edited March 24, 2020 by fansince88

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Just now, Hardhatharry said:

Lol says the clueless guy.

 

Right, Harry. Anyone who isn't a gullible turd-lord must be clueless. Got some real estate in Love Canal to sell you.