Kevbeau Posted March 23, 2020 Posted March 23, 2020 1 hour ago, GG said: I just read his first piece, and it's hot garbage in retrospect, yet he crows that he got 40 millions hits. Only because he's perpetuating the falsehoods that is now gospel, but will likely look foolish when this is said and done. It's actually good to read his second piece after the first, because you realize that he doesn't address his wrong prognostications at all and continues with the alarmist tone. South Korea exponential growth? Mmm, never mind. According to him it's because they went through SARS, and knew what to do. Which is what ....? Washington State follow up? Nope, not a peep. Diamond Princess? Clearly a statistical anomaly. But Italy isn't. He lumped the Swiss as one of the countries who were late in responding, without noting that the country has negligible deaths from CV. Which brings me to the biggest problem of painting this virus with as broad brush as possible. As we're about to finish the third month in a pandemic, clear patterns are emerging despite what people like Puevo want you to believe, and that pattern is much closer to Leavitt's & Ginn's theories. Culture, demographics and climate all play a major role in the spread, and that's why you are seeing an explosion in Lombardy & NYC (Australia is not a problem btw). Other areas of the Italy are faring much better, and don't get me started on NYS north of Orange County compared to the NY metro area. Even the NY's first major outbreak in New Rochelle appears to be abating, similarly to what happened in Washington. But that's not NYC because people are on top of one another, and they're stupid. I witnessed what Cuomo was talking about first hand yesterday. All along the West Side, it was as if there's no danger lurking. I drove to work to pick up some things for my mandatory six week work from home assignment, and I've never seen the roads so empty. But when I got into NYC, there were still a lot of people out and walking very close together. No cars, so I got a spot right next to my office. Never, ever happens in real life. Quick five minute trip to the office, waive the id card, turnstyle opens, elevator automatically summoned to my floor. Wash hands when I get to my floor. Pick up my stuff, only hit one elevator button, Purell on my hands when I hit ground floor. Get to my car and there are two morons sharing a conversation & a smoke next to my car. I walk around the other side to drop the gear in the trunk, and they don't move. They finally get the hint and move a bit. So yeah, this is why NYC cases are exploding. This is not to say that I'm dismissing the seriousness of the virus. I'm just pointing out the inconsistency in the messaging and the response for the entire country as a one size fits all. Heck, even NJ isn't experiencing the same urgency as NYC, but Murphy is treating it as if it's ground zero. Very few people are getting airtime to propose commonsense solutions. Hype sells. We keep getting bombarded by stories of Chinese, South Korean and Singapore lockdowns, without getting much details of what happened. Reality is none of these countries truly locked down. And here's where experience with SARS and their culture came in to curb the spread. EVERYONE obeyed common social norms, they wore masks, they kept their distance and they washed their hands. Lo and behold, the spread slowed down and spread. Not so hard. Avoid direct contact and keep washing yourself. It’s my job to predict the short and long term impacts to my company. I’m looking at international cases/impact and all the way to zip code cases/impact for the US... and it’s all noise. A lot due to testing and cause of death recording differences, but there’s clearly a randomness in the data that I believe is inline with what your describing. The f’n error bars on anything we come up with tells me we might as well guess. 2
Deranged Rhino Posted March 23, 2020 Posted March 23, 2020 Here's the bill for those interested: https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/6815336-Senate-Republicans-Phase-3-stimulus-proposal.html 3 2
ALF Posted March 23, 2020 Posted March 23, 2020 (edited) Florida college students test positive for coronavirus after spring break trip https://www.foxnews.com/health/florida-college-students-test-positive-for-coronavirus-after-spring-break-trip Florida Sen. Scott: 'Spring breakers have forced the shutdown' of beaches Virginia teens allegedly recorded themselves coughing on produce in grocery store: police https://www.foxnews.com/us/virginia-teens-coughing-produce-grocery-store Canada and Australia will not send athletes to Tokyo Olympics https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/22/americas/canada-no-athletes-tokyo-olympics/index.html Crowds packed California beaches despite shelter in place order https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/23/us/california-stay-at-home-beach-goers/index.html Edited March 23, 2020 by ALF 1
Doc Brown Posted March 23, 2020 Posted March 23, 2020 8 hours ago, PetermansRedemption said: I’m pretty shocked that in such a time of need bipartisan bickering couldn’t stop for a mere day to get something done. The two party system in America truly needs to end. The divide between them has become far too great to have a functioning government. Really? Do you remember the first failed TARP vote back in '08? It failed and the market went bonkers. A revised version passed a couple days later. This is two trillion dollars we're talking about. Let's try and get it right. 2 1
PetermansRedemption Posted March 23, 2020 Posted March 23, 2020 31 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: Really? Do you remember the first failed TARP vote back in '08? It failed and the market went bonkers. A revised version passed a couple days later. This is two trillion dollars we're talking about. Let's try and get it right. Doc, you and I both know this thing is going to be loaded with a heck of a lot of waste and useless earmarking no matter how long they take on it.
JetsFan20 Posted March 23, 2020 Posted March 23, 2020 1 hour ago, Doc Brown said: Really? Do you remember the first failed TARP vote back in '08? It failed and the market went bonkers. A revised version passed a couple days later. This is two trillion dollars we're talking about. Let's try and get it right. There was not nearly the sense of urgency in 2008 that there is today when people are dying. It could take weeks for these #######s to get something to do something. I don’t believe Pelosi and Schumer really want the market to crash (they have millions on the line as well), but I do think they are concerned of a pro Trump perception. If that’s the case they need to get off their high horses and act like elected officials. 1
Buffalo Bills Fan Posted March 23, 2020 Posted March 23, 2020 Sadly Spain looks like heading towards Italy cases, ICU, and Deaths. 2 minutes ago, JetsFan20 said: There was not nearly the sense of urgency in 2008 that there is today when people are dying. It could take weeks for these #######s to get something to do something. I don’t believe Pelosi and Schumer really want the market to crash (they have millions on the line as well), but I do think they are concerned of a pro Trump perception. If that’s the case they need to get off their high horses and act like elected officials. Right biggest problem with Pelosi. She's does shady things behind people backs. Makes people not to trust her. If she didn't do any shady stuff things will be easier to get done.
Tiberius Posted March 23, 2020 Posted March 23, 2020 10 hours ago, PetermansRedemption said: I’m pretty shocked that in such a time of need bipartisan bickering couldn’t stop for a mere day to get something done. The two party system in America truly needs to end. The divide between them has become far too great to have a functioning government. Two party system must end? What are you saying?
GG Posted March 23, 2020 Posted March 23, 2020 And just like that, Johns Hopkins changed the CV tracker to eliminate China from the graph and also doesn't show the # recovered BTW, what the health agencies aren't doing clearly is plotting normal state death statistics vs CV 3 2
Tiberius Posted March 23, 2020 Posted March 23, 2020 Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump I watch and listen to the Fake News, CNN, MSDNC, ABC, NBC, CBS, some of FOX (desperately & foolishly pleading to be politically correct), the @nytimes , & the @washingtonpost , and all I see is hatred of me at any cost. Don’t they understand that they are destroying themselves? 11:28 PM · Mar 22, 2020·Twitter for iPhone 33.6K Retweets 147.5K Likes
Tiberius Posted March 23, 2020 Posted March 23, 2020 Quote Neo-Nazi and other white-supremacist groups have told their members to spread the novel coronavirus to cops and Jews if they become infected, according to ABC News. The FBI has reportedly sent out a warning that “members of extremist groups are encouraging one another to spread the virus, if contracted, through bodily fluids and personal interactions.” Followers are reportedly being told to fill spray bottles with bodily fluids and squirt them at police on the street. They’ve also reportedly been told to spread the disease to Jews by going “any place they may be congregated, to include markets, political offices, businesses and places of worship.” Don Mihalek, the executive vice president of the Federal Law Enforcement Officers Association Foundation, told ABC News: “Anti-government folks in America love to target law enforcement as a symbol of America’s authority... It’s just sad that that’s their focus at a time of crisis in the nation.” https://www.thedailybeast.com/neo-nazi-groups-tell-virus-infected-members-to-spray-bodily-fluids-at-cops-and-jews-says-report?ref=home 1
billsfan1959 Posted March 23, 2020 Posted March 23, 2020 10 minutes ago, Tiberius said: https://www.thedailybeast.com/neo-nazi-groups-tell-virus-infected-members-to-spray-bodily-fluids-at-cops-and-jews-says-report?ref=home Law enforcement is always a target, in one form or another, from many segments of society 2 1
Chef Jim Posted March 23, 2020 Posted March 23, 2020 (edited) 10 hours ago, Buffalo Bills Fan said: On this note I’ve been the the grocery store a couple times the past week. While meat, produce, toilet paper and cleaning supplies were in very short or nonexistent supply the alcohol was very well stocked. I mean bursting at the seams. Come on people! Step it up. What’s the matter with you?? Edited March 23, 2020 by Chef Jim 3
Kevbeau Posted March 23, 2020 Posted March 23, 2020 47 minutes ago, GG said: BTW, what the health agencies aren't doing clearly is plotting normal state death statistics vs CV Exactly...I’ve been looking for this data view since the end of last week.
billsfan1959 Posted March 23, 2020 Posted March 23, 2020 1 hour ago, GG said: BTW, what the health agencies aren't doing clearly is plotting normal state death statistics vs CV 21 minutes ago, Kevbeau said: Exactly...I’ve been looking for this data view since the end of last week. In regard to total of all other deaths versus deaths from CV?
GG Posted March 23, 2020 Posted March 23, 2020 2 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: In regard to total of all other deaths versus deaths from CV? This question came up when analysts were discussing the statistics from Italy, and someone suggested that CV-related deaths there could have been overstated by as much as 80%, because of other contributing factors. One way to ascertain the CV impact is to compare it to a normalized baseline, which would be the death rate in prior years 1
RochesterRob Posted March 23, 2020 Posted March 23, 2020 1 hour ago, Tiberius said: https://www.thedailybeast.com/neo-nazi-groups-tell-virus-infected-members-to-spray-bodily-fluids-at-cops-and-jews-says-report?ref=home Because the only antiauthoritarian groups are right wing????????? Honest serious question to you. How many Nazi's do you think are on this board? Myself, I think very few but you are the right wing conspiracy everywhere kind of .....guy. 1
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