leh-nerd skin-erd Posted July 30, 2021 Posted July 30, 2021 5 minutes ago, ALF said: Are you that dense ? The vaccinated can catch a mild case , stay out of the hospital but can spread covid to the unvaccinated who will be hit hard. I typed slow so you could understand. Plastic masks. This is the answer.
ALF Posted July 30, 2021 Posted July 30, 2021 I'm saying the vaccine so far will keep you out of the hospital and death. Those vaccinated can get covid no or little symptoms but infect unvaccinated who can get serious symptoms. That's just what I'm learning today.
Big Blitz Posted July 30, 2021 Posted July 30, 2021 3 minutes ago, ALF said: I'm saying the vaccine so far will keep you out of the hospital and death. Those vaccinated can get covid no or little symptoms but infect unvaccinated who can get serious symptoms. That's just what I'm learning today. If they want to restore confidence they need to stop the fear mongering Calm, cool, rational, truth, logic, positive, and optimism by design are completely gone. Instead it's threats, blame, lies, and fear. Sure fire reasons to NOT trust them. At all. Hell we haven't even been given a goal, metric, or exit strategy since the 15 days to slow the spread lies. Enough. Start getting with Team This is Bull ***t and you'll get your vaccination numbers (not sure what those are or why) and more importantly trust. It's disgusting. We are about to enter YEAR 3!
SoCal Deek Posted July 30, 2021 Posted July 30, 2021 25 minutes ago, ALF said: Are you that dense ? The vaccinated can catch a mild case , stay out of the hospital but can spread covid to the unvaccinated who will be hit hard. I typed slow so you could understand. Once again Get a sense of humor Sheeesh…..enough already 1
Sundancer Posted July 30, 2021 Posted July 30, 2021 48 minutes ago, ALF said: If that many vaccinated test positive they can spread covid this is serious . That's a ridiculous data point. There were a mixture of vaccinated, unvaccinated people over the July 4th holiday with thousands of people coming in from out of town--not all who were residents of that town or even MA. With a large population vaccinated, most of your cases will be vaccinated people. Still need more data because other data points the other way on transmission, still.
SoCal Deek Posted July 30, 2021 Posted July 30, 2021 Why does this bring to mind the scene in the Wizard of Oz where the scarecrow keeps pointing in different directions?
ALF Posted July 30, 2021 Posted July 30, 2021 18 minutes ago, Sundancer said: That's a ridiculous data point. There were a mixture of vaccinated, unvaccinated people over the July 4th holiday with thousands of people coming in from out of town--not all who were residents of that town or even MA. With a large population vaccinated, most of your cases will be vaccinated people. Still need more data because other data points the other way on transmission, still. Time will tell , just hope it does not lead to serious mitigation for delta. Just get the damn vaccine , ample supply.
SoCal Deek Posted July 30, 2021 Posted July 30, 2021 3 minutes ago, ALF said: Time will tell , just hope it does not lead to serious mitigation for delta. Just get the damn vaccine , ample supply. Wait! There’s a vaccine?
B-Man Posted July 30, 2021 Posted July 30, 2021 ‘…seems like quite a stretch’: Nate Silver breaks down the CDC data from Provincetown, MA that’s being used to justify the new mask guidance The CDC finally released some of the data behind its new mask guidance and as many suspected, it’s a study based on a cluster of infections that happened in Provincetown, Mass. during July. First up, the study “includes several major caveats, most of which are almost completely missing from the hyperbolic news coverage around this”: There is also one major caveat that the study authors don't mention: they are only looking at *people who chose to be tested*, which is a lot different than *all breakthrough infections*. Presumably people with symptoms are much more likely to be tested. Finally I'd note that the sample sizes here are tiny, leading to very wide confidence intervals. And the "real life" confidence intervals are likely even wider given that (as the study authors say) the sample isn't very diverse. (P-town = mostly affluent middle-aged gay men.) In summary, “To take a self-selected, not-statistically-significant sample of ~200 nondiverse people during a party weekend that was an outlier in many respects, and use it to conclude that breakthrough infections are just as likely to transmit the virus, seems like quite the stretch”: https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2021/07/30/seems-like-quite-a-stretch-nate-silver-breaks-down-the-cdc-data-from-provincetown-ma-thats-being-used-to-justify-the-new-mask-guidance/ 1
Tiberius Posted July 30, 2021 Posted July 30, 2021 Quote A sobering scientific analysis published Friday of an explosive Massachusetts covid-19 outbreak fueled by the delta variant found that three-quarters of the people who became infected were fully vaccinated. https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/07/30/provincetown-covid-outbreak-vaccinated/ 1
B-Man Posted July 30, 2021 Posted July 30, 2021 CDC Scrambles to Find Delta Data and Gets Egg on Their Face Weeks of increasingly apocalyptic statements by CDC Director Dr. Rochelle Walensky as well as Dr. Anthony Fauci, accompanied by little to no evidence, finally came to a head in the last few days. Their concerns and statements regarding the Delta variant of COVID-19, coupled with reversing health policy and guidance, were finally met with calls to see the data leading to these conclusions. On Tuesday, Dr. Walensky made a statement urging a return to mitigation by masking, citing data – which she did not cite or release at the time – that the Delta variant resulted in a higher viral load, more severe disease than the original strain, and caused vaccinated individuals to be just as infectious as the unvaccinated. Late last night, the internal CDC slide deck, including the source material for these new determinations, was leaked. Most of the slides focus on vaccine effectiveness, with only seven slides examining the new data on the Delta variant – presumably the data the CDC had used to reverse course on mitigation. Of these seven slides, one is a comparison of transmissibility between the Delta variant and ancestral strains on one hand, and a variety of other infectious diseases of various and broad transmission types on the other. Two of the slides cover an internal model the CDC has generated attempting to predict future Delta transmission rates and the effect of masking and vaccines on those rates. {snip} What the data shows is that – contrary to the CDC’s clumsy messaging – vaccines work, and while this new increased risk to young adults should encourage vaccinations among that age group, there is no need to advocate for extreme mitigation based on overstated evidence and exaggerated risks. More at the link: https://redstate.com/katepauldillon/2021/07/30/cdc-scrambles-to-find-delta-data-and-gets-egg-on-their-face-n418936
Tiberius Posted July 30, 2021 Posted July 30, 2021 22 minutes ago, B-Man said: CDC Scrambles to Find Delta Data and Gets Egg on Their Face Weeks of increasingly apocalyptic statements by CDC Director Dr. Rochelle Walensky as well as Dr. Anthony Fauci, accompanied by little to no evidence, finally came to a head in the last few days. Their concerns and statements regarding the Delta variant of COVID-19, coupled with reversing health policy and guidance, were finally met with calls to see the data leading to these conclusions. On Tuesday, Dr. Walensky made a statement urging a return to mitigation by masking, citing data – which she did not cite or release at the time – that the Delta variant resulted in a higher viral load, more severe disease than the original strain, and caused vaccinated individuals to be just as infectious as the unvaccinated. Late last night, the internal CDC slide deck, including the source material for these new determinations, was leaked. Most of the slides focus on vaccine effectiveness, with only seven slides examining the new data on the Delta variant – presumably the data the CDC had used to reverse course on mitigation. Of these seven slides, one is a comparison of transmissibility between the Delta variant and ancestral strains on one hand, and a variety of other infectious diseases of various and broad transmission types on the other. Two of the slides cover an internal model the CDC has generated attempting to predict future Delta transmission rates and the effect of masking and vaccines on those rates. {snip} What the data shows is that – contrary to the CDC’s clumsy messaging – vaccines work, and while this new increased risk to young adults should encourage vaccinations among that age group, there is no need to advocate for extreme mitigation based on overstated evidence and exaggerated risks. More at the link: https://redstate.com/katepauldillon/2021/07/30/cdc-scrambles-to-find-delta-data-and-gets-egg-on-their-face-n418936 Boy, you anti science zealots are rotten to the core. Would you have been excited showing Galileo the torture instruments that were going use on him if he didn’t recant the truth
B-Man Posted July 30, 2021 Posted July 30, 2021 11 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Boy, you anti science zealots are rotten to the core. Would you have been excited showing Galileo the torture instruments that were going use on him if he didn’t recant the truth So, you can't find anything wrong with the article to point out, and default to name-calling.............. Good thing I was sitting down. 😎 1
B-Man Posted July 31, 2021 Posted July 31, 2021 (edited) 16 hours ago, Tiberius said: https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/07/30/provincetown-covid-outbreak-vaccinated/ A gay rights activist explains why the CDC’s Provincetown study may be fatally flawed Do you think this might skew the data? But..............lets all mask up again. https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2021/07/30/a-gay-rights-activist-explains-why-the-cdcs-provincetown-study-may-be-fatally-flawed/ Edited July 31, 2021 by B-Man 1
Doc Posted July 31, 2021 Posted July 31, 2021 It wouldn’t surprise me if the CDC purposefully choose that location and week.
SoCal Deek Posted July 31, 2021 Posted July 31, 2021 26 minutes ago, Doc said: It wouldn’t surprise me if the CDC purposefully choose that location and week. Ya think? Apparently Wuhan China wasn’t available.
ALF Posted July 31, 2021 Posted July 31, 2021 18 minutes ago, Doc said: It wouldn’t surprise me if the CDC purposefully choose that location and week. What can happen in a worst case scenario
SoCal Deek Posted July 31, 2021 Posted July 31, 2021 Just now, ALF said: What can happen in a worst case scenario If that’s the new policy standard then I suggest….do not get on an airplane!
Big Blitz Posted July 31, 2021 Posted July 31, 2021 1 hour ago, B-Man said: A gay rights activist explains why the CDC’s Provincetown study may be fatally flawed Do you think this might skew the data? But..............lets all mask up again. https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2021/07/30/a-gay-rights-activist-explains-why-the-cdcs-provincetown-study-may-be-fatally-flawed/ Studies like this that prove masks don't work are dismissed immediately due to the flawed "control group."
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