All_Pro_Bills Posted June 12, 2021 Posted June 12, 2021 2 hours ago, Doc Brown said: Because the medical field as a whole is extremely cautious. The Cleveland Clinic study was conducted mostly with younger and healthy people (do older and more at risk people produce the same robust immune response?) and we don't know how long the natural immunity lasts. Vaccines have shown effectiveness against the different Covid strains up to this point while there's little information about how the strains impact people who got Covid that haven't received the vaccine. The CDC and the media should make people aware of the study though for people still on the fence about getting the vaccine. While I still don't see any conclusive evidence that vaccine immunity is "better" than natural immunity and therefore recovered COVID patients should still get vaccinated this is how the scientific method of discovery is supposed to work. It can be applied to a lot of things but in this case COVID. I or someone else, presents some position or conclusion and others provide and present information, data, or facts that may support, change, or invalidate the initial argument or conclusion. That's how we arrive at sound and prudent decisions and policies. That's how "experts" both inside and outside government and the medical community should be interacting. But that's not what's happening. We get edicts from high up that appear to conflict or contradict previous announcement without any explanation or reason why the "official" policy has changed. And anyone that disagrees with the now established and inflexible official position is dismissed or ignored. That's not the science method. That's an idealistic approach to making medical decisions. One other thing I might add is we don't know how long either vaccinated or natural immunity might last but have accurate and easy COVID antibody tests that can provide anyone with the ability to know what types and amount of antibodies they have in their system. Both from natural and vaccinated immunity. Knowing this for yourself might be a good piece of information to have when evaluating your specific situation.
SoCal Deek Posted June 12, 2021 Posted June 12, 2021 23 hours ago, Governor said: If you still aren’t vaccinated at this point, you should have to wear a shield and have your office moved to the basement like the guy in Office Space, then be pushed out the door and replaced with someone that’s a bit more sensible. I would make employees wear a pink shield with unicorns on it and let it play out. There can be no accommodations made for the unvaccinated. If you have Hep C or AIDS and you give it to someone else, you can be criminally charged. It should be no different here moving forward. Why is the shield pink? What are you are trying to get at there? A bit of inappropriate gender shaming maybe? Nice! So now we see just how woke you really are. 1
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted June 12, 2021 Posted June 12, 2021 (edited) 12 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: Why is the shield pink? What are you are trying to get at there? A bit of inappropriate gender shaming maybe? Nice! So now we see just how woke you really are. The basement provides shelter for utilities, plumbing heating and is often considered the safest place in the dwelling in the event of a natural disaster. No one ever yells “Get to the Executive level and hunker up!” when the twister is coming. The lowly basement is the heart of anything that rises above it, and any man who looks down upon it is a man-bun wearing woke hipster dufus who’s probably afraid of spiders. The spider, by the way...is nature’s vacuum cleaner and....ah, I’ve said too much. Edited June 12, 2021 by leh-nerd skin-erd
Governor Posted June 12, 2021 Posted June 12, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said: Why is the shield pink? What are you are trying to get at there? A bit of inappropriate gender shaming maybe? Nice! So now we see just how woke you really are. No Bills fan could possibly be scared to get an itty bitty shot. That’s not possible. Edited June 12, 2021 by Governor
SoCal Deek Posted June 12, 2021 Posted June 12, 2021 1 hour ago, Governor said: No Bills fan could possibly be scared to get an itty bitty shot. That’s not possible. Oh, I see. Nice try at a save there. I’m sure you know there are a host legitimate reasons why some people aren’t choosing to get this particular elective vaccine. And few, if any of them have anything to do with what you’re implying is fear.
Governor Posted June 12, 2021 Posted June 12, 2021 (edited) Looking good! Most blue states will make Biden's July 4 vaccine goal. The red ones won't. https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/12/politics/vaccinations-blue-red-states-analysis/index.html Edited June 12, 2021 by Governor
Governor Posted June 12, 2021 Posted June 12, 2021 That’s a great plan coming from a future president! Gov. Gavin Newsom said Friday that California is on the cusp of releasing an electronic system that will allow businesses to confirm that their customers have received their shots. https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/health/story/2021-06-11/governor-a-vaccination-verification-system-is-coming-very-shortly-in-ca
reddogblitz Posted June 12, 2021 Posted June 12, 2021 3 hours ago, Governor said: That’s a great plan coming from a future president! Gov. Gavin Newsom said Friday that California is on the cusp of releasing an electronic system that will allow businesses to confirm that their customers have received their shots. https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/health/story/2021-06-11/governor-a-vaccination-verification-system-is-coming-very-shortly-in-ca Why? California according to you is one of the good states that will be at President Biden's July 4th 70%. Essentially herd immunity. So lets think about this. Say I go to a concert at the Whiskey a Go Go with 200 people in attendance. 140 vaccinated and 60 not. The 140 don't have to worry about it. Dr. Fauci says masks in indoor settings are not needed for a vaccinated person because the chance of catching it is infinitessimally small. So only the 60 unvaccinated are at risk. How any of those 60 already had it and have some immunity? Ill say 10. So of the other 50, how many are active COVID carriers? Maybe 10, 20? So those 10 or 20 people have to run into each other and talk for a while to catch it. Probably, one is sitting stage right, one is stage left and one is in the front row. Vaccine is out there and available for anyone that wants it FOR FREE. If you choose not to, good luck to you. Leave the rest of us alone. 3
Big Blitz Posted June 13, 2021 Posted June 13, 2021 We might be doing permanent damage to vaccines old and new going forward. Biden isn't helping this by appearing in public with world leaders with masks on. It's like a walking advertisement to not get one and considering they've been lying for almost 2 years now about Covid, maybe someone should start asking "hey is there anything you want to tell us about the virus that we should know?" Anyway.....no reason to think this won't end well: 1
Big Blitz Posted June 13, 2021 Posted June 13, 2021 The Doctor Who Eliminated Smallpox Says COVID-19 Is Here to Stay Harry Siegel: Let’s start with the big question: Why is it that you think COVID-19 isn’t going away, and does that mean the U.S. is in a bubble right now, as vaccines are being widely distributed here? Larry Brilliant: Boy, I wish we could reach herd immunity. But there’s a number of reasons why we can’t. First and foremost, a virus that infects multiple species, animals and humans, and a virus that has multiple new variants, each one having the potential to reinfect people, is sort of disqualified from being a candidate to be eradicated. https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-doctor-who-eliminated-smallpox-says-covid-19-is-here-to-stay All mitigation should be over. Including non mandatory mandatory vaccines. 1
SoCal Deek Posted June 13, 2021 Posted June 13, 2021 20 hours ago, BillStime said: Shocking ! People that didn’t vote for Biden aren’t interested in meeting his made up deadlines. Go figure? Now do Blue State voters that didn’t go along with Trump. YAWNNNNN
BillStime Posted June 13, 2021 Posted June 13, 2021 4 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: Shocking ! People that didn’t vote for Biden aren’t interested in meeting his made up deadlines. Go figure? Now do Blue State voters that didn’t go along with Trump. YAWNNNNN But but but Trump made those vaccines for you!!!!!!!!!!!
SoCal Deek Posted June 13, 2021 Posted June 13, 2021 Just now, BillStime said: But but but Trump made those vaccines for you!!!!!!!!!!! No idea what that means but you’re very passionate about it. I’ll give you that.
Big Blitz Posted June 13, 2021 Posted June 13, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said: Shocking ! People that didn’t vote for Biden aren’t interested in meeting his made up deadlines. Go figure? Now do Blue State voters that didn’t go along with Trump. YAWNNNNN It's irrelevant. 100% irrelevant because Team Lockdown seriously thought they were *Eradicating* the virus. That is never ever ever happening per my last post here, what we were telling you about year ago, and just common sense logic. So who cares about vaccine "deadlines" and why? Oh that's right politicians that know people are morons. Should be fully open yesterday. Thanks Biden voters! Edited June 13, 2021 by Big Blitz 1
Big Blitz Posted June 13, 2021 Posted June 13, 2021 "You bake the cake" folks complaining that DeSantis is telling businesses how to operate..... Hahahahahaha Titanic clash pits DeSantis against potent cruise industry as it prepares to restart ...Along with the economic costs are the potential health consequences. According to experts, vaccines are the most important way to prevent deadly COVID-19 outbreaks on cruise ships. https://www.miamiherald.com/news/business/tourism-cruises/article252054773.html DeSantis is protecting the customer if you allow the Cruise Ships to do this then everyone has to do it or will anyway because we live in an era of "Who can virtue signal the hardest!" You don't have to go on a cruise. 1
reddogblitz Posted June 13, 2021 Posted June 13, 2021 (edited) 8 hours ago, Big Blitz said: It's irrelevant. 100% irrelevant because Team Lockdown seriously thought they were *Eradicating* the virus. That is never ever ever happening per my last post here, what we were telling you about year ago, and just common sense logic. So who cares about vaccine "deadlines" and why? Oh that's right politicians that know people are morons. Should be fully open yesterday. Thanks Biden voters! We're now 2 weeks out from Memorial Day weekend and no spike. Not even a blip. Most states like mine have continued the trend down. Its like Ferris Buehler at the end. What are you people still doing here? Its over. Edited June 14, 2021 by reddogblitz 1 1
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