The Next Pandemic: SARS-CoV-2/COVID-19

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[Big Blitz]

2 minutes ago, GaryPinC said:

Maybe.  Or maybe they just didn't want to put the time, effort and modest cost into precautions.  They felt the government wouldn't get shut businesses down.  They were wrong.  Poor recognition, they got caught up in their own bullshyt.  Then they turned around screaming bloody murder about it.  Hypocrisy in action.  

 

Lockdowns are in no one's best interests.  They were simply a necessity with inadequate testing, equipment and knowledge how to treat/combat Covid.  We learned quickly but so many on here easily forget how many unknowns were facing the medical community and the fact is the science is still developing.  Ohio's public health director predicted 10-12k new cases a day last spring.  I thought she missed by a long shot after cases topped out around 1300.  Her predictions came true in the fall surge except the deaths part because the lockdown and summer bought us enough time to better treat it. 

 

Hopefully that's all behind us now with Covid.

 

 

 

The numbers you see right now, across the country, that's the floor.....for decades.  

 

There will be spikes and the obligatory panic porn.  This part I don't know how it plays out because we don't know if the vaccine is one and done for life or seasonal (in which case you can look forward to 3 months of mitigation every year while everyone panics their immunity will not last).  

 

But the floor isn't going anywhere.  So wtf are we doing?  It's over.  Get your vaccines or not I really couldn't care less and neither should the government.  The curve ain't getting any flatter, hospitalizations aren't getting any lower and you aren't vaccinating everyone any time this decade. 

 

They are no longer yours or the government's concern.  In fact we were told THE METRIC was vaccines available to all.  They are.   It's over.  

[GaryPinC]

22 hours ago, plenzmd1 said:

here is my point. All the social distancing, surface disinfecting, mask guidelines etc  were based on what was known about influenza. And that's fine, mistakes were made early and policies formed that were in error..all okay, this poop was new after all. I dont blame Fauci or Burke for saying looks like top end we will have 60-80K deaths, just like I don't blame Trump for hoping it will all go away by last Easter. 

 

But then as @LeGOATski correctly stated, everything about this pandamic became political. People that could read and had an objective mind and were not blinded by political affiliation understood masking helped, but only effective masking(n95 ) and only if worn 100% correctly. Those same People understood the numbers behind schools, the joke of 6 feet particularly in schools and why it was based on bad science...  They understood the numbers in states like Texas and Florida vs NEW York and CA...none of it mattered. Trump was bad, his followers were evil. anything they suggested had to be 100% wrong.

 

Masks , social distancing, disinfecting became not tools to fight the virus, but  political theater, political statement...for both parties at the extreme.. and continue to be so. Its a damn shame, and man are we paying for it now. 

I certainly agree this all became political and it's truly sad.  From Cuomo to Trump.

 

All the distancing, disinfecting and masking would be employed for any pandemic virus, it wasn't based on influenza.  We haven't done any of that for influenza in my lifetime.  Viruses can't infect anyone if they don't have access to hosts.  It's that simple.   But certainly as the science developed, the disinfecting took a back seat for this virus.

 

Just as paper masks block air, they will therefore block much of the larger water particles and a good percent of the particles that remain aerosolized.  The masks help protect those around you.  Schools had success because of the masks and distancing, so I don't understand what you're referring to as "bad science"?  Case numbers are reflective of many factors not just masking and distancing. 

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

28 minutes ago, GaryPinC said:

Maybe.  Or maybe they just didn't want to put the time, effort and modest cost into precautions.  They felt the government wouldn't get shut businesses down.  They were wrong.  Poor recognition, they got caught up in their own bullshyt.  Then they turned around screaming bloody murder about it.  Hypocrisy in action.  

 

Lockdowns are in no one's best interests.  They were simply a necessity with inadequate testing, equipment and knowledge how to treat/combat Covid.  We learned quickly but so many on here easily forget how many unknowns were facing the medical community and the fact is the science is still developing.  Ohio's public health director predicted 10-12k new cases a day last spring.  I thought she missed by a long shot after cases topped out around 1300.  Her predictions came true in the fall surge except the deaths part because the lockdown and summer bought us enough time to better treat it. 

 

Hopefully that's all behind us now with Covid.

Maybe, GPinC, but my experience was quite a bit different than yours.  Most, if not all, business owners I know or interact with complied with the lockdown.  They shuttered their doors, hung plague warning signs on windows, sent people off to work remotely, or laid them off, and went about their business masking up like Fauci said they should (or, they shouldn't depending on when he was speaking and whom he was speaking to).   They hunkered down for the two week curve flattening, which of course, we know extended well beyond that.  

 

The reality is that when push came to shove, government and to a certain extent, science were completely comfortable with virus transmission and the death so long as it occurred during social justice gatherings.  That is obvious.  Sure, we got the obligatory milquetoast "Jeesh we really don't recommend it" from Das Fauch, but nothing on the magnitude of a clear message from him about the death and pain that would surely follow.   

 

I'd be interested to speak to your Ohio director of public health and quiz her on the 10-12k and how mass gatherings from multiple households contributed to the spread.  Likely, I'd get the same type of response I get here, the one where that while the science suggested that masking up, distancing socially, avoiding crowds, avoiding gatherings from different households and shutting everything but essential business down---it's impossible to even begin to consider the extent of spread when tens of thousands of individuals, from tens of thousands of households, arriving by all means of transport from across the cities and towns in America, walking shoulder to shoulder, protesting, co-mingling and violating every sane and sensible rule designed to reduce the likelihood of spread. Same bullshyt, different day. 

 

 In addition, when you consider many of those who protested came from disenfranchised communities that Das Fauch himself says were at highest risk, it certainly seems reasonable to assume that the mass gatherings added hundreds of thousands of deaths to the count. 

 

I'll grant you that throughout history, science has saved us too many times to count,  but woke science is responsible for massive amount of death and despair over the last year and a half.  That's not on business owners, that's on Fauci, governmental authorities who did not stand up and tell people the truth about their actions and beseech them to be patient and hold on just until we got through it.  As I said, we tend to call bullshyt when bullshyt is obvious.  

 

For the record, again...I sent my employees home, adapted, modified, masked, changed our processes and waited until the 'all clear' came from Albany.  I trusted Fauci, believed then that the virus was very dangerous for some, not so dangerous for most and held the line.  The only change to now--I recognize he's not the hero of this story.  

 

Peace out. 

 

 

[Big Blitz]

Fauci Admits Post-Vaccination Masking Was about ‘Signals’ Weeks after Insisting Otherwise

 

 

Appearing on Good Morning America on Tuesday, Dr. Anthony Fauci admitted that his post-vaccination mask-wearing was meant to serve as a “signal” — rather than a genuine attempt to stem the spread of COVID-19. The admission came just weeks after Fauci scolded Senator Rand Paul for suggesting that his insistence on wearing a mask, despite being at virtually no risk of contracting or spreading COVID, constituted public health “theater.”

 

During a congressional hearing back in March, Fauci bristled at Paul’s suggestion that his continued insistence that vaccinated Americans must wear masks was just theater. “Let me just state for the record that masks are not theater. Masks are protective” replied a visibly irritated Fauci when asked why he attended the public hearing in a mask after being fully vaccinated.

 

Now, he admits that Paul’s analysis of the need for masks, as well as of Fauci’s motivations, was correct.

“Before the CDC made the recommendation change, I didn’t want to look like I was giving mixed signals. But being a fully vaccinated person, the chances of my getting infected in an indoor setting is extremely low” Fauci explained to ABC’s George Stephanopoulos. 

 

https://www.nationalreview.com/news/fauci-admits-post-vaccination-masking-was-about-signals-weeks-after-insisting-otherwise/

[SoCal Deek]

1 hour ago, Big Blitz said:

Fauci Admits Post-Vaccination Masking Was about ‘Signals’ Weeks after Insisting Otherwise

 

 

Appearing on Good Morning America on Tuesday, Dr. Anthony Fauci admitted that his post-vaccination mask-wearing was meant to serve as a “signal” — rather than a genuine attempt to stem the spread of COVID-19. The admission came just weeks after Fauci scolded Senator Rand Paul for suggesting that his insistence on wearing a mask, despite being at virtually no risk of contracting or spreading COVID, constituted public health “theater.”

 

During a congressional hearing back in March, Fauci bristled at Paul’s suggestion that his continued insistence that vaccinated Americans must wear masks was just theater. “Let me just state for the record that masks are not theater. Masks are protective” replied a visibly irritated Fauci when asked why he attended the public hearing in a mask after being fully vaccinated.

 

Now, he admits that Paul’s analysis of the need for masks, as well as of Fauci’s motivations, was correct.

“Before the CDC made the recommendation change, I didn’t want to look like I was giving mixed signals. But being a fully vaccinated person, the chances of my getting infected in an indoor setting is extremely low” Fauci explained to ABC’s George Stephanopoulos. 

 

https://www.nationalreview.com/news/fauci-admits-post-vaccination-masking-was-about-signals-weeks-after-insisting-otherwise/

He’s turning himself into a pretzel now. How do you think he’s stayed in Washington all these many years. He’s a clown! 

[BillStime]

3 hours ago, Big Blitz said:

Fauci Admits Post-Vaccination Masking Was about ‘Signals’ Weeks after Insisting Otherwise

 

 

Appearing on Good Morning America on Tuesday, Dr. Anthony Fauci admitted that his post-vaccination mask-wearing was meant to serve as a “signal” — rather than a genuine attempt to stem the spread of COVID-19. The admission came just weeks after Fauci scolded Senator Rand Paul for suggesting that his insistence on wearing a mask, despite being at virtually no risk of contracting or spreading COVID, constituted public health “theater.”

 

During a congressional hearing back in March, Fauci bristled at Paul’s suggestion that his continued insistence that vaccinated Americans must wear masks was just theater. “Let me just state for the record that masks are not theater. Masks are protective” replied a visibly irritated Fauci when asked why he attended the public hearing in a mask after being fully vaccinated.

 

Now, he admits that Paul’s analysis of the need for masks, as well as of Fauci’s motivations, was correct.

“Before the CDC made the recommendation change, I didn’t want to look like I was giving mixed signals. But being a fully vaccinated person, the chances of my getting infected in an indoor setting is extremely low” Fauci explained to ABC’s George Stephanopoulos. 

 

https://www.nationalreview.com/news/fauci-admits-post-vaccination-masking-was-about-signals-weeks-after-insisting-otherwise/

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Meanwhile...

 

 

 

[SCBills]

6 minutes ago, BillStime said:

 

 

 

 

 

People in positions of power should probably set an example, but everyday citizens.. agreed... who cares.  
 

I had two vaccinated people, wearing masks, come into my office today.   Ok, whatever, I threw my mask on and talked to them. 

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

17 minutes ago, BillStime said:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Meanwhile...

 

 

 

Here you go—we can agree on this.  People should be allowed to mask up and be left alone.  I mean, it already happens with regularity as burka-clad ladies move about freely and unencumbered, but if someone is concerned and feels they need to mask 247365 that’s understandable.  Those folks, too, must be awfully confused by the bastardization of some pretty basic common sense standards of science when mated with socioeconomic political dogma.  
 

Likewise, those who choose to de-mask should be respected as well.  There’s too much divisiveness in the world already.  Folks who want to mask up can surely avoid the demasked and everybody wins. 

[BillStime]

1 minute ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

Here you go—we can agree on this.  People should be allowed to mask up and be left alone.  I mean, it already happens with regularity as burka-clad ladies move about freely and unencumbered, but if someone is concerned and feels they need to mask 247365 that’s understandable.  Those folks, too, must be awfully confused by the bastardization of some pretty basic common sense standards of science when mated with socioeconomic political dogma.  
 

Likewise, those who choose to de-mask should be respected as well.  There’s too much divisiveness in the world already.  Folks who want to mask up can surely avoid the demasked and everybody wins. 

 

I'm looking forward to losing the mask as soon as the mandate expires next week. Fully vaccinated; no need for it..

 

I will respect those who choose to mask up, though - it's their choice.

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

1 minute ago, BillStime said:

 

I'm looking forward to losing the mask as soon as the mandate expires next week. Fully vaccinated; no need for it..

 

I will respect those who choose to mask up, though - it's their choice.

I don’t agree with you on just about everything, but we’re on the same page here.  
 

That said, it’s really ironic that you, me, all of us...have a “mask mandate” when we’re fully vaccinated now.  Absurd.  

[plenzmd1]

man, sure am glad the relief funding to help working people through Covid was successful. I mean that last $ 1.9t was crucial. Can’t wait to see how another $4t injected in will help this poor class of people! 
 

 

Edited May 19, 2021 by plenzmd1

[dpberr]

Pennsylvania voters appear to have curtailed the governor's powers with emergency declarations.  The big take away is the governor can declare an emergency alone, but he or she will no longer be able to extend it indefinitely without the legislature being involved.  The pandemic showed that those powers that solely rested with the governor can be abused and the check is not only appropriate, but necessary. 

 

The casus belli IMO wasn't masks, but the picking and choosing of businesses that were "essential" that really appeared random at best, politically motivated at worst.  Wolf did himself no favors by refusing to share data on how those were picked and of course, marching with BLM maskless last summer in Philadelphia.  
 

I say "appear" because the tallies are unofficial but it's at 55% yes on both Constitutional amendments. 

 

It won't impact Gov. Wolf too much.  He's at the end of his term and Dr. Levine is off to obscurity in Washington.  

[Chef Jim]

14 hours ago, BillStime said:

 

I'm looking forward to losing the mask as soon as the mandate expires next week. Fully vaccinated; no need for it..

 

I will respect those who choose to mask up, though - it's their choice.

 

Here's the concern.  Will those that choose to wear one respect your choice not to.  

 

Stay tuned................

[SoCal Deek]

There were a total of 1,200 new cases in all of California yesterday.  That equates to 0.000025 of the population, which if I have my math correct is one out of every 50,000 people.

[unbillievable]

 

4 hours ago, Chef Jim said:

 

Here's the concern.  Will those that choose to wear one respect your choice not to.  

 

Stay tuned................

[Chef Jim]

1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said:

There were a total of 1,200 new cases in all of California yesterday.  That equates to 0.000025 of the population, which if I have my math correct is one out of every 50,000 people.

As I mentioned several months ago.  This will go the route of the Spanish flu.  “Gone” in under 2 years. 

[Big Blitz]

Folks.  This nonsense goes on till every kid in America gets vaccinated age 2 thru 11.  They will not be allowed normal lives in schools until they have proof of vaccination.  They aren't telling you this, again, because they don't want to lose 20% of the public school population.  It will be catastrophic.

 

So they are dragging this out till September.  Confusion.  Virtue signaling.  Fear.  Corporate virtue signaling.  

 

No one is looking out for you.  The media have all agreed to this.  You can't go protest at your local indoctrination center because.....protocols.  You've been lied to this whole time.  And they will keep lying to you

 

Read this and keep asking yourself, why?  Wtf are we doing here and why?

 

 

 

The New York Times Promotes a COVID Cult of Caution That Requires Vaccinated People To Act as if They're Not

 

 

But "despite the new guidelines," The New York Times says in a story about the loosening of that city's COVID-19 restrictions, "many experts still suggest wearing a mask indoors when not eating or drinking. People should maintain social distance when possible. And they should try to choose outdoors over indoors."

 

Just to be clear: This is the advice that the "many experts" cited by the Times are giving to people who have been fully vaccinated. Although they may have naively assumed those shots protected them against COVID-19, the Times is saying, they should not let down their guard just yet. But that position seems absurdly cautious in light of the evidence showing how remarkably effective the vaccines are.

 

"People who are vaccinated can do much more with less risk than those who are not," the Times concedes. "But vaccines do not offer 100 percent protection, and only about half of people in the region are fully vaccinated. As a result, some epidemiologists continue to recommend following the golden rules of coronavirus safety."

 

The fact that the Times describes COVID-19 safeguards as "golden rules," analogous to a timeless ethical principle, suggests that its advice is based on something other than rational, context-dependent concerns about virus transmission. Mask wearing and physical distancing, once presented as temporary responses to the pandemic that would no longer be necessary after the danger had passed, have been transformed into rituals that signify membership in a COVID-19 cult of caution.

 

https://reason.com/2021/05/19/the-new-york-times-promotes-a-covid-cult-of-caution-that-requires-vaccinated-people-to-act-as-if-theyre-not/

 

 

 

Mitigation thru spring 2022 minimum.  For schools the entire 2021-2022 school year.  Or longer until we get every kid vaccinated.

 

What other conclusion can you draw?  

 

This is evil.  

[Doc Brown]

6 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:

There were a total of 1,200 new cases in all of California yesterday.  That equates to 0.000025 of the population, which if I have my math correct is one out of every 50,000 people.

Say thank you Gavin Newsome 😁

[Unforgiven]

Trump: ‘It’s possible Covid was created by scientists in Wuhan biolab’…

idiots : HE's a ^&%$ing mother &^%$ing racist ^&^%$&^ !!!

 

One year later...

CDC Director — ‘It’s possible Covid was created by scientists in Wuhan biolab’…

 

 

https://citizenfreepress.com/breaking/cdc-director-its-possible-covid-was-manufactured-in-wuhan-biolab/