Big Blitz Posted May 15, 2021 Posted May 15, 2021 What????? ...."But many public health experts are exasperated by the controversy, given that Americans have long been expected to provide proof of vaccination in some circumstances." https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2021/05/15/vaccine-passports-covid-19-vaccine-verification-coming/7130642002/ 1. Who? 2. Why do you care, if you're vaccinated anyway? 3. I would like to know the science, data, and logic being applied by those that are so demented.
Motorin' Posted May 15, 2021 Posted May 15, 2021 12 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: Honor system, paper cards won't cut it for COVID vaccine verification, experts say. 'Vaccine passports' are coming. No shirt, no shoes, no vaccine — no service. That's the future critics of "vaccine passports" fear as Americans vaccinated against COVID-19 can safely live more normal lives, now including spending time in most indoors settings without a mask. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2021/05/15/vaccine-passports-covid-19-vaccine-verification-coming/7130642002/ Why? What happened to just flatten the curve don't overwhelm hospitals? You don't have kids under 10. We had more deaths in the US from Covid in one year than US soldiers who died in all of WWI + WWII. Look at India's current spike right now. Pull your head out of your ass.
Big Blitz Posted May 15, 2021 Posted May 15, 2021 People that don't have kids will never understand but yea keep pretending "they'll be just fine."
reddogblitz Posted May 15, 2021 Posted May 15, 2021 2 hours ago, oldmanfan said: Do you want to have an honest dialog or are you going to lie again about what I post? If you want to have an honest dialog I can explain drugs and receptors and such. If it’s going to bo more dishonesty then I’m not interested. Let me know. I would like to ask you a couple scientific questions if you are willing. I'm not a science guy. I'm a musician and computer programmer (business applications). But these are a couple of things I've been wondering about. 1. I know viruses mutate. Do they usually mutate to a weaker form? How often do they mutate to a stronger form? 2. Have there been vaccines developed and rolled out that caused death and sickness to the people who took them on any kind of scale.
Big Blitz Posted May 15, 2021 Posted May 15, 2021 14 minutes ago, Motorin' said: We had more deaths in the US from Covid in one year than US soldiers who died in all of WWI + WWII. Look at India's current spike right now. Pull your head out of your ass. Good talk bro. I was lost but now am found. It never occurred to me that 600K deaths in 15 months, average age 78, might be a reason for you to decide whether or not you should get an experimental vaccine. I'm just out here flattening curves. God Bless Trump for Operation Warp Speed amirite?
oldmanfan Posted May 15, 2021 Posted May 15, 2021 (edited) 50 minutes ago, reddogblitz said: I would like to ask you a couple scientific questions if you are willing. I'm not a science guy. I'm a musician and computer programmer (business applications). But these are a couple of things I've been wondering about. 1. I know viruses mutate. Do they usually mutate to a weaker form? How often do they mutate to a stronger form? 2. Have there been vaccines developed and rolled out that caused death and sickness to the people who took them on any kind of scale. First I am not a virologist but I have more knowledge than your average guy. Here are my thoughts: 1. It depends on the virus. RNA viruses are much more prone to mutation than DNA viruses. In general the more mutations the less infectious but there are exceptions. I believe one of the reasons it was never possible to get an effective vaccine against HIV was because it mutates so rapidly. The Covid hasn’t had many mutations and the ones thus far seem to make the virus more infectious. 2. In general death and sickness with vaccines are pretty minimal if that. The CDC has a document on that, History of Vaccine Complications, on that topic. The idea that the Covid vaccines will somehow cause long term disease, especially the RNA ones, is to me based on politics and hysteria more than science. Edited May 15, 2021 by oldmanfan 3
Motorin' Posted May 15, 2021 Posted May 15, 2021 36 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: Good talk bro. I was lost but now am found. It never occurred to me that 600K deaths in 15 months, average age 78, might be a reason for you to decide whether or not you should get an experimental vaccine. I'm just out here flattening curves. God Bless Trump for Operation Warp Speed amirite? Further up your own ass you go. 3
LeGOATski Posted May 16, 2021 Posted May 16, 2021 6 hours ago, Chef Jim said: Good for you but millions did not only feel locked up but were. Hard to go on with your daily life when you are required to work from home, not go to a gym for that much needed workout, restaurants were verboten and churches were shut down. Glad you got yours but not all were able to go about their normal daily lives. We all missed some things small and some things extremely important like the death of a loved one. Everyone experienced all of this to various degrees. Some just love to be overly dramatic about it. Saying we were "locked up" is really overstating it. People who say stuff like that were the same ones hoarding toilet paper. The type of people who make a bad situation worse for everyone else.
LeGOATski Posted May 16, 2021 Posted May 16, 2021 4 hours ago, Big Blitz said: You don't have kids under 10. I have 2. They can easily handle wearing a mask because they're not whiny little #######s. 1 2
GaryPinC Posted May 16, 2021 Posted May 16, 2021 17 minutes ago, LeGOATski said: I have 2. They can easily handle wearing a mask because they're not whiny little #######s. More importantly, they don't have a father who is a belligerent, pessimistic, whiny little ###ch. They have a good father like you who realizes the importance of teaching their children optimism and finding silver linings in a challenging situation. 2
Big Blitz Posted May 16, 2021 Posted May 16, 2021 19 minutes ago, GaryPinC said: More importantly, they don't have a father who is a belligerent, pessimistic, whiny little ###ch. They have a good father like you who realizes the importance of teaching their children optimism and finding silver linings in a challenging situation. No he doesn't. There is no way he's going out in public with no mask while his "kids" are wearing them. ZERO. None. He may be a firm solid member of the Branch Covidians and he wears one all the time anyway. Raising solid little followers in the Church. My Kids, who are actual real humans that need interaction that includes people seeing their faces, will not be wearing them, because their very whiny belligerent angry Dad ditches his permanently......and will not committ child abuse by making them wear the worthless face diaper. It's science bro.
plenzmd1 Posted May 16, 2021 Posted May 16, 2021 (edited) 15 hours ago, LeGOATski said: I never felt locked up, personally. Wore a mask and went about my daily life. But that's a pretty straightforward question. We distanced ourselves to lessen the spread of the virus. Wow. Not having the ability to worship together ,to be present at the death of a loved one to comfort them as they journey to the next stage,to celebrate the beginning a new life at childbirth or a new marriage union, to break bread with my fellow human beings in a restaurant, not being able to gather at sporting events to celebrate our collective communities. I have two college students that have basically missed 1/2 of their college experience , therefore all the personal growth that comes from that, to a virus that statistically kills less college aged student than alcohol overdoses. But it’s great you wore a mask and feel your life did not change.I mean after all, that’s what really matters eh? Your life was not affected, screw the people who’s entire lives were disrupted or who could not say goodbye to loved one. The CDC, therefore government , knew more than a year ago this was airborne. They know that meant cloth masks and distancing were useless, just making people feel better about the useless guindance they had given in the first month of the pandemic , all based on influenza. As we know, this was no flu. They knew 2 feet, 6 feet, twenty feet, none of it mattered, it was airborne. They know aerosols are only stopped by a n95 mask, yet they doubled and tripled down on that useless guidance to make folks have a false sense of security. They knew it did not transmit outside, that’s why they did not stop the protests. But they did not have the will nor the political fortitude to completely stop the spread and shut everything down, they doubled down on awful guidelines to appease the masses and let everyone feel they were sacrificing for the greater good. “ “ hey, I mask up, I stand 6 feet way, I am a good person and doing my part”. and it worked to a tee. Tell some one a lie often enough and have the right sources shout it enough, even when the facts stare them in the face and tell them Otherwise , and they will believe. And it’s human nature to want to believe , to “‘do your part” I get it. It’s also political nature to gain as mush control as possible, by any means necessary. Let this sink in. ‘We are not ready for people to be free this quick”. in the GD US of A. Not ready for people to be free this quick. Wow, and so many people agree with that statement. There is a very good series on the PBS Doc channel on Amazon. Called The Dictator’s Platbook. . Details the rise and fall of 8 or so dictators in separate episodes, and the commonalities of their reigns. All of them have one thing in common...Control of the message around a common enemy. and convincing their governed that what they were going through was for the collective good and to defeat this ENEMY. Their government was there to protect and advance. Our leaders are just using Covid instead of another nation. you should watch it, may open your eyes to what we have experienced the last 16 months.. from both parties mind you. Edited May 16, 2021 by plenzmd1 1 1
ALF Posted May 16, 2021 Posted May 16, 2021 The story of mRNA: From a loose idea to a tool that may help ...www.statnews.com › 2020/11/10 › the-story-of-mrna-h... Nov 10, 2020 — It is a story that began three decades ago, with a little-known scientist who ... Every strand of mRNA is made up of four molecular building blocks called nucleosides. ... And it was the starter pistol for the vaccine sprint to come. How long has the mRNA vaccine been around? mRNA vaccines have been studied before for flu, Zika, rabies, and cytomegalovirus (CMV). As soon as the necessary information about the virus that causes COVID-19 was available, scientists began designing the mRNA instructions for cells to build the unique spike protein into an mRNA vaccine.Mar 4, 2021
Chef Jim Posted May 16, 2021 Posted May 16, 2021 12 hours ago, 716er said: Covid QANON still goin on I see Yet here you are. 🙄 1
LeGOATski Posted May 16, 2021 Posted May 16, 2021 9 hours ago, plenzmd1 said: Wow. Not having the ability to worship together ,to be present at the death of a loved one to comfort them as they journey to the next stage,to celebrate the beginning a new life at childbirth or a new marriage union, to break bread with my fellow human beings in a restaurant, not being able to gather at sporting events to celebrate our collective communities. I have two college students that have basically missed 1/2 of their college experience , therefore all the personal growth that comes from that, to a virus that statistically kills less college aged student than alcohol overdoses. But it’s great you wore a mask and feel your life did not change.I mean after all, that’s what really matters eh? Your life was not affected, screw the people who’s entire lives were disrupted or who could not say goodbye to loved one. The CDC, therefore government , knew more than a year ago this was airborne. They know that meant cloth masks and distancing were useless, just making people feel better about the useless guindance they had given in the first month of the pandemic , all based on influenza. As we know, this was no flu. They knew 2 feet, 6 feet, twenty feet, none of it mattered, it was airborne. They know aerosols are only stopped by a n95 mask, yet they doubled and tripled down on that useless guidance to make folks have a false sense of security. They knew it did not transmit outside, that’s why they did not stop the protests. But they did not have the will nor the political fortitude to completely stop the spread and shut everything down, they doubled down on awful guidelines to appease the masses and let everyone feel they were sacrificing for the greater good. “ “ hey, I mask up, I stand 6 feet way, I am a good person and doing my part”. and it worked to a tee. Tell some one a lie often enough and have the right sources shout it enough, even when the facts stare them in the face and tell them Otherwise , and they will believe. And it’s human nature to want to believe , to “‘do your part” I get it. It’s also political nature to gain as mush control as possible, by any means necessary. Let this sink in. ‘We are not ready for people to be free this quick”. in the GD US of A. Not ready for people to be free this quick. Wow, and so many people agree with that statement. There is a very good series on the PBS Doc channel on Amazon. Called The Dictator’s Platbook. . Details the rise and fall of 8 or so dictators in separate episodes, and the commonalities of their reigns. All of them have one thing in common...Control of the message around a common enemy. and convincing their governed that what they were going through was for the collective good and to defeat this ENEMY. Their government was there to protect and advance. Our leaders are just using Covid instead of another nation. you should watch it, may open your eyes to what we have experienced the last 16 months.. from both parties mind you. This was bigger than ourselves. I know what it's like to not be there at the death of a loved one. There are other circumstances outside of covid that could lead to that at any point in your life. This was global. Are you saying every nation in the world who implemented social distancing protocol is a dictatorship? Pandemics have happened before. This wasn't even the first time US citizens have been told to wear masks. But everything's so politicized and overdramatized nowadays (just like you've done in your post) that it becomes a tidal wave of overreaction. 16 hours ago, Big Blitz said: No he doesn't. There is no way he's going out in public with no mask while his "kids" are wearing them. ZERO. None. He may be a firm solid member of the Branch Covidians and he wears one all the time anyway. Raising solid little followers in the Church. My Kids, who are actual real humans that need interaction that includes people seeing their faces, will not be wearing them, because their very whiny belligerent angry Dad ditches his permanently......and will not committ child abuse by making them wear the worthless face diaper. It's science bro. You're the person in an emergency situation who panics and does something stupid that puts everyone else at risk. That's who you are.
plenzmd1 Posted May 16, 2021 Posted May 16, 2021 3 hours ago, LeGOATski said: This was global. Are you saying every nation in the world who implemented social distancing protocol is a dictatorship? Pandemics have happened before. This wasn't even the first time US citizens have been told to wear masks. But everything's so politicized and overdramatized nowadays (just like you've done in your post) that it becomes a tidal wave of overreaction. I am not saying every country that implemented "social distancing" ( i say lockdown) is a dictatorship, but stripping away individual freedoms and relaying on non scientific data( case counts and CFR and IFR in red states vs blue) to make policy leads to an enemy that is just not there.. The lock downs, masks , school decisions, governemnt wlefare became exactly what you said, political decisions that were over reactions to a president so many disliked and despised,including me. If you doubt me,look at the sheer millions of posts of twitter saying " I don't care whether wearing a mask is effective or not, i will wear it just so people don't think i am conservative or MAGA. You don't think that is an over reaction and politicized? You dont think that kind of thinking extends beyond masks? Add to that overdoes deaths up 20%, discussion about what this lost year of in person learning will do to our children, violent crime up dramatically in our cities, inflation running rampant, asset inflation that is only widening the wealth gap in this country based on policy decisions that do not reflect the reality of whats happening in the country.. ...and it all adds up to way more than " wear a mask and go about your daily life". 1
LeGOATski Posted May 17, 2021 Posted May 17, 2021 3 hours ago, plenzmd1 said: I am not saying every country that implemented "social distancing" ( i say lockdown) is a dictatorship, but stripping away individual freedoms and relaying on non scientific data( case counts and CFR and IFR in red states vs blue) to make policy leads to an enemy that is just not there.. The lock downs, masks , school decisions, governemnt wlefare became exactly what you said, political decisions that were over reactions to a president so many disliked and despised,including me. If you doubt me,look at the sheer millions of posts of twitter saying " I don't care whether wearing a mask is effective or not, i will wear it just so people don't think i am conservative or MAGA. You don't think that is an over reaction and politicized? You dont think that kind of thinking extends beyond masks? Add to that overdoes deaths up 20%, discussion about what this lost year of in person learning will do to our children, violent crime up dramatically in our cities, inflation running rampant, asset inflation that is only widening the wealth gap in this country based on policy decisions that do not reflect the reality of whats happening in the country.. ...and it all adds up to way more than " wear a mask and go about your daily life". Precautions based on potential consequences are not a bad thing. I'm not going to argue the rest of your post, since it's pretty solid. A lot of those symptoms you listed were compounded by the leadership (or lack thereof) that we had over the last 4 years.
Doc Posted May 17, 2021 Posted May 17, 2021 49 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: That's just one of many things.
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