Big Blitz Posted December 9, 2020 Posted December 9, 2020 CFR and IFR plummeting. Personally I think this could be why they're pushing the vaccines so quick. We're treating it better, more are surviving, immunity could be decades after you get it, and it could just burn out at that rate naturally by spring but.....question nothing...
Warcodered Posted December 9, 2020 Posted December 9, 2020 7 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: Yep I think of the data: but not under 50.
shoshin Posted December 9, 2020 Posted December 9, 2020 6 hours ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: There you go! Nice! Russia investigation, sham! Surveillance of presidential candidates/weaponization of Intelligence, bad! Impeachment grift, sham! How come we only get to puppet dictator status when the courts are involved? Now we are getting somewhere. Surprised you supported the Russia investigations. It’s their right to drag out months of claims after all.
Doc Brown Posted December 9, 2020 Posted December 9, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, Big Blitz said: CFR and IFR plummeting. Personally I think this could be why they're pushing the vaccines so quick. We're treating it better, more are surviving, immunity could be decades after you get it, and it could just burn out at that rate naturally by spring but.....question nothing... I disagree with you on the mask mandate along with how much Trump is to blame for the high US death rate compared to most other countries but for god sakes looking at this data...... OPEN THE DAMN SCHOOLS. Edited December 9, 2020 by Doc Brown 1
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted December 9, 2020 Posted December 9, 2020 52 minutes ago, shoshin said: Now we are getting somewhere. Surprised you supported the Russia investigations. It’s their right to drag out months of claims after all. I support the process, I always did. As an analogy, I support law enforcement and our system of justice, but I do not support malicious prosecution. I’m just surprised at what you seem to be comfortable with politically as it relates to what you referred to as puppet dictatorships. Where does the “sham” impeachment of a President fall on your scale?
shoshin Posted December 9, 2020 Posted December 9, 2020 9 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: I support the process, I always did. As an analogy, I support law enforcement and our system of justice, but I do not support malicious prosecution. And multiple cases getting bombed out of court with a circus show of baseless press conferences attacking democratic foundations by a sitting president is not malicious? Sure I’m happy the courts have held firm and upheld democracy. But let’s not applaud the dictator tactics that put the democracy to the test. That’s ridiculous. 9 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: I’m just surprised at what you seem to be comfortable with politically as it relates to what you referred to as puppet dictatorships. Where does the “sham” impeachment of a President fall on your scale? The inquiry on the Ukraine call? Valid. What he did was disturbing. Impeachment? Terrible. Many aspects of Russia investigation? Abhorrent. 1
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted December 9, 2020 Posted December 9, 2020 1 hour ago, shoshin said: And multiple cases getting bombed out of court with a circus show of baseless press conferences attacking democratic foundations by a sitting president is not malicious? Sure I’m happy the courts have held firm and upheld democracy. But let’s not applaud the dictator tactics that put the democracy to the test. That’s ridiculous. The inquiry on the Ukraine call? Valid. What he did was disturbing. Impeachment? Terrible. Many aspects of Russia investigation? Abhorrent. Interesting. What aspects of the Russia investigation were particularly abhorrent to you? You indicated “many”, but just indulge me and hit me with two or three.
SoCal Deek Posted December 9, 2020 Posted December 9, 2020 11 hours ago, shoshin said: I take it you were a fan of the Russia inquiry and impeachment proceedings then. Just checks and balances at work right? Challenging the system with baseless allegations not rooted in evidence by a sitting president should not be something anyone advocates for. Especially when the accusations he makes publicly make it nowhere near the courts. That’s what puppet dictators do. Challenging the system by surveillance presidential candidates, same. The Ukraine inquiry had legs IMO but the impeachment was a sham. Thanks for the response My point is a simple one. Let the system do it’s job. Let the process work. All of these election challenges will play themselves out in due time. Just like the Russia Hoax, just like the Ukrainian debacle, this is all just inside baseball squabbling between two sides engaged in a political tug of war. Is it ugly? Yes it is. Is one side totally to blame? No, they’re not. It’s the result of the country reaching yet another philosophical governing crossroads. We’ve been through it before and survived for over 200 years.
Scraps Posted December 9, 2020 Posted December 9, 2020 1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said: Thanks for the response My point is a simple one. Let the system do it’s job. Let the process work. All of these election challenges will play themselves out in due time. Just like the Russia Hoax, just like the Ukrainian debacle, this is all just inside baseball squabbling between two sides engaged in a political tug of war. Is it ugly? Yes it is. Is one side totally to blame? No, they’re not. It’s the result of the country reaching yet another philosophical governing crossroads. We’ve been through it before and survived for over 200 years. The process has played itself out. Trump L-L-LOST. Pressuring governors or legislatures to disenfranchise their citizens is not part of the process. The Republicons are reducing our country to a Banana Republic. 1 1
SoTier Posted December 9, 2020 Posted December 9, 2020 5 minutes ago, Scraps said: The process has played itself out. Trump L-L-LOST. Pressuring governors or legislatures to disenfranchise their citizens is not part of the process. The Republicons are reducing our country to a Banana Republic. The SCOTUS refused unanimously and out of hand to even consider Trump's case from PA. Point. Set. Match. Time for the Trumplicans to fold their tents and slink away to their bunkers.
SoCal Deek Posted December 9, 2020 Posted December 9, 2020 3 hours ago, Scraps said: The process has played itself out. Trump L-L-LOST. Pressuring governors or legislatures to disenfranchise their citizens is not part of the process. The Republicons are reducing our country to a Banana Republic. And one day, when you're in officially in charge of the country, you can run it that way. Until then, we'll stick the processes we have in place, and you're just going to have be patient. As it's often said, politics is a messy business. You'll recall that many Democrats actually held out right through the inauguration in 2016, with many of them boycotting the event. I cannot see the Republicans doing the same. 1
Big Blitz Posted December 9, 2020 Posted December 9, 2020 (edited) Its all good.....just a "rough spot" and if you have "significant (not clear what means) allergies" don't take it: "Health Canada approved the same Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine on Wednesday that the U.S. Food and Drug Administration could authorize for emergency-use here within days or even hours. The vaccine is already being rolled out across Britain, where it encountered its first rough spot – health officials there have decreed that people with a “significant history” of allergic reactions shouldn’t get the vaccine pending further investigation. British health officials say the duo is "recovering well" and that the directive was precautionary." Linked from www.msn.com Edited December 9, 2020 by Big Blitz
shoshin Posted December 9, 2020 Posted December 9, 2020 27 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: Its all good.....just a "rough spot" and if you have "significant (not clear what means) allergies" don't take it: "Health Canada approved the same Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine on Wednesday that the U.S. Food and Drug Administration could authorize for emergency-use here within days or even hours. The vaccine is already being rolled out across Britain, where it encountered its first rough spot – health officials there have decreed that people with a “significant history” of allergic reactions shouldn’t get the vaccine pending further investigation. British health officials say the duo is "recovering well" and that the directive was precautionary." Linked from www.msn.com Maybe this is why Trump didn't buy more doses of it.
Doc Brown Posted December 9, 2020 Posted December 9, 2020 40 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: Its all good.....just a "rough spot" and if you have "significant (not clear what means) allergies" don't take it: "Health Canada approved the same Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine on Wednesday that the U.S. Food and Drug Administration could authorize for emergency-use here within days or even hours. The vaccine is already being rolled out across Britain, where it encountered its first rough spot – health officials there have decreed that people with a “significant history” of allergic reactions shouldn’t get the vaccine pending further investigation. British health officials say the duo is "recovering well" and that the directive was precautionary." Linked from www.msn.com I like that they're the guinea pigs.
SoCal Deek Posted December 9, 2020 Posted December 9, 2020 8 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: I like that they're the guinea pigs. The entire world is one humongous laboratory on this. Covid 19 is not a US problem. It’s a global problem.
RiotAct Posted December 9, 2020 Posted December 9, 2020 PA Governor Tom Wolf tested positive today. https://www.cnbc.com/2020/12/09/pennsylvania-gov-tom-wolf-tests-positive-for-covid-and-is-isolating-at-home.html
Doc Brown Posted December 9, 2020 Posted December 9, 2020 6 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: The entire world is one humongous laboratory on this. Covid 19 is not a US problem. It’s a global problem. Economically. Yes. There are large variations by country though as far as the spread. Japan only has 2,334 deaths with a population of 126 million. We've had that many deaths in a day. 1
Scraps Posted December 9, 2020 Posted December 9, 2020 1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said: And one day, when you're in officially in charge of the country, you can run it that way. Until then, we'll stick the processes we have in place, and you're just going to have be patient. This is repetitive and non-responsive to what I wrote. You seem to think we are following a process that is in place. Please describe the process. 2 hours ago, SoCal Deek said: You'll recall that many Democrats actually held out right through the inauguration in 2016, with many of them boycotting the event. I cannot see the Republicans doing the same. I recall that Hillary Clinton conceded on the night of the election. She raised no legal challenges. She didn't go to any governor or legislator asking them to disenfranchise their citizens. She attended Trump's inauguration. All this she did while winning the popular vote. Trump and the Republicons are just sore, whiny L-L-Losers. 1
Scraps Posted December 9, 2020 Posted December 9, 2020 1 hour ago, shoshin said: Maybe this is why Trump didn't buy more doses of it. The reason I heard was because they had 5 or 6 candidate vaccines going into trials. They didn't know which ones would work so they diversified and bought quantities of all of them to reduce the risk of an ineffective vaccine. This is not necessarily a bad approach.
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