The Next Pandemic: SARS-CoV-2/COVID-19

[oldmanfan]

2 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

I’ll bring this up...again. We’ve been wearing masks in California for SIX MONTHS. What changed? I honestly believe there’s something more to this whole thing. It simply isn’t as simple as this juvenile mask debate.

Viral diseases typically increase in winter months as more people stay indoors.  Covid fatigue is real; I see it every day.  People are not wearing masks either all the time, or wearing them as they should.  Distancing is not being done as effectively as it can be.  Same with hand washing.

 

They have been somewhat effective; without what's been done thus far the mortality rate would have skyrocketed over what it is now.  we need a redoubling of effort and commitment for a few more months until the vaccines can be readily distributed.

[SoCal Deek]

4 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

Viral diseases typically increase in winter months as more people stay indoors.  Covid fatigue is real; I see it every day.  People are not wearing masks either all the time, or wearing them as they should.  Distancing is not being done as effectively as it can be.  Same with hand washing.

 

They have been somewhat effective; without what's been done thus far the mortality rate would have skyrocketed over what it is now.  we need a redoubling of effort and commitment for a few more months until the vaccines can be readily distributed.

I’d agree on much of this but we do not have winter in California. It’s 75 and sunny here today. 😎

[shoshin]

19 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

I’ll bring this up...again. We’ve been wearing masks in California for SIX MONTHS. What changed? I honestly believe there’s something more to this whole thing. It simply isn’t as simple as this juvenile mask debate.

 

California has some of the biggest cities in America. It has large airports where lots of international travelers went through.

 

How does it rank in deaths per capita?

 

 

 

I'd say it's doing amazingly well. 

[oldmanfan]

13 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

I’d agree on much of this but we do not have winter in California. It’s 75 and sunny here today. 😎

I get that.

[SoCal Deek]

Just now, shoshin said:

 

California has some of the biggest cities in America. It has large airports where lots of international travelers went through.

 

How does it rank in deaths per capita?

 

 

 

I'd say it's doing amazingly well. 

I’d agree....but all we hear on the local news is pandemic hysteria about a meteoric rise in cases. So we’re all sitting here saying to each other “now what”? 
 

If we’re talking pure numbers the head scratcher has always been Illinois. Their numbers are horrible. They only have one large city and it’s run and populated by Democrats who you’d think would be enforcing these stricter protocols...no? (And I’m not trying to make this political...before you go there.)

[shoshin]

3 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

I’d agree....but all we hear on the local news is pandemic hysteria about a meteoric rise in cases. So we’re all sitting here saying to each other “now what”? 
 

If we’re talking pure numbers the head scratcher has always been Illinois. Their numbers are horrible. They only have one large city and it’s run and populated by Democrats who you’d think would be enforcing these stricter protocols...no? (And I’m not trying to make this political...before you go there.)

 

I don't think "Democrats" or "Republicans" are making deaths more likely. 

 

Fatalities are driven by at-risk people combined with behavior. I suspect IL has a lot of at-risk people who are getting exposed to more people...maybe older/ill health people who are indoors a lot. But that's pure speculation.

 

I've never been one to say, "Hey look the red states now suck, hey the blue states lead in deaths." The reason people are dying is because they are at risk and/or can't distance well because of their jobs, life choices, or ignorance. I was talking to my father-in-law last night who was telling me how most of his clients (he's an accountant) are having big Thanksgivings. OK sure, it's America: We're all free to do what we want. Yet small gathering indoor transmission is being shown to be the #1 way people are getting Covid...and most of his clients are over 70. For them, celebrating Thanksgiving in a big indoor gather is a bad and ignorant decision that, this being America, they are free to make. But it's not good news for the pandemic.

[SoCal Deek]

1 hour ago, shoshin said:

 

I don't think "Democrats" or "Republicans" are making deaths more likely. 

 

Fatalities are driven by at-risk people combined with behavior. I suspect IL has a lot of at-risk people who are getting exposed to more people...maybe older/ill health people who are indoors a lot. But that's pure speculation.

 

I've never been one to say, "Hey look the red states now suck, hey the blue states lead in deaths." The reason people are dying is because they are at risk and/or can't distance well because of their jobs, life choices, or ignorance. I was talking to my father-in-law last night who was telling me how most of his clients (he's an accountant) are having big Thanksgivings. OK sure, it's America: We're all free to do what we want. Yet small gathering indoor transmission is being shown to be the #1 way people are getting Covid...and most of his clients are over 70. For them, celebrating Thanksgiving in a big indoor gather is a bad and ignorant decision that, this being America, they are free to make. But it's not good news for the pandemic.

So again.....what’s going on in Chicago? It’s not thanksgiving yet!

[oldmanfan]

2 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

So again.....what’s going on in Chicago? It’s not thanksgiving yet!

What's going on in Chicago?  People are congregating closer together and not doing what they should do to help mitigate spread.  What's going on in the Dakotas?  same thing.  One a bastion of Democrats, one a bastion of Republicans.  The pandemic has nothing to do with politics.

[BullBuchanan]

7 hours ago, Big Blitz said:

 

 

Nope you missed the point entirely.  

 

I said they should not be mandated if you wanted compliance.  

 

And I literally said it is not the barrier you think it is based on the numbers now.  I even said earlier today that back in March I was fine with masks but we need to be full open.  I guess bc you dont want to be full open with masks tells me you admit they don't work.   

 

If I'm in your face for 25 minutes, yes it probably will help.  

 

If I'm going to Target.  Zero reason to have one on.  None.  

 

Outside at Disney world?  Zero reason.

 

I've eaten out at restaurants about 50 times since April.  You walk in with a mask.  Then the mask is off the entire meal and hour or so you're there.  

 

But I need one to get in to a Walmart and everywhere else?  No that's not how people are getting it.  

 

They are telling you and have been since the beginning the greatest risk for transmission is the home.  Why?  Because you should be in a mask?  No.  Its because its dam near impossible to not touch what everyone else touches.  

You have it exactly backwards.

Masks are a mitigation tool, like the aforementioned chainsaw guards or contraceptives. If you use them within the parameters that they are effective (e.g. socially distanced, around other mask wearers, in open air, do not touch them without sanitizing) then they are undoubtedly effective at limiting the speed and distance that air & droplets can pass from one person to another. This is known science, is easily reproduceable and shouldn't be in any way controversial. HOWEVER, limiting the speed and distance at which a person moves air into their surrounding environment is one, ONE, variable in a sea of other variables regarding how COVID is transmitted. Viral load, adherence to hygiene, washing of surfaces, interactions in the home, transmission via mucus membranes in the eyes are a handful of others that also have impact on not only if people get sick, but potentially how sick they get.

Part of the reason that transmission in the home is going to be a complicated problem to solve is because of the amount of rampant misinformation about the virus, like the information you believe. If you have 2,3,4+ people living in a confined space and one or more of them have dangerously incorrect notions about the virus it's highly likely that those people are exposing themselves to higher than necessary risk. Once that person does something that brings the virus into the home, it's going to be much easier for others to get it, even if the person that brought it in doesn't.

So you wore a mask to the grocery store, cool. But you just grabbed the bags from the cashier with your bare hands that the stock boy touched that hundreds of people breathed around and then you opened your car door and took your mask off without sanitizing before or after, and maybe you wipe your nose because it's runny from the mask & cold temperature. When you get home you touch the door handles and open the pantry and put away the goods you bought without washing them, where your roommate/wife/child grabs them and start eating. 2 weeks later everyone's got COVID and all you can do is throw on a Pikachu face and say mAsKs dOnT wOrK!


 

1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said:

So again.....what’s going on in Chicago? It’s not thanksgiving yet!

Do you mean the place where 15,366.1 people live per square mile?

[Doc Brown]

1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said:

So again.....what’s going on in Chicago? It’s not thanksgiving yet!

The areas that weren't hit as hard during the first wave when people spent a lot of time indoors (March through June) are getting hit harder now (mid October to present).  Combine that with pandemic fatigue where people are letting their guard down and you get an exponential growth in cases.  Thanksgiving gatherings will just exasperate the problem.  

[shoshin]

1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said:

So again.....what’s going on in Chicago? It’s not thanksgiving yet!

 

I gave my speculation on IL. 

 

Thanksgiving is about to make things worse. I feel confident predicting that. 

[Big Blitz]

Fascinating.  "I'm not listening to this Doctor and virologist.  He has no clue what he's talking about."

 

--The internet 

 

Top Pathologist Claims Coronavirus is “The Greatest Hoax Ever Perpetrated on an Unsuspecting Public”

 

 

 

The coronavirus ‘pandemic‘ is the “greatest hoax ever perpetrated on an unsuspecting public,” according to Dr. Roger Hodkinson, 1 of Canada’s Top pathologists and an expert in virology.

Dr. Hodkinson made this statement during a Zoom conference with Alberta government officials.

 

Dr. Hodkinson is the CEO of biotech company Western Medical Assessments (a private company), which manufactures COVID tests, so he says he knows what he is talking about. “There is utterly unfounded public hysteria driven by the media and politicians, it is outrageous, this is the greatest hoax ever perpetrated on an unsuspecting public,” he said.

 

He also said that social distancing is useless and masks are too.

 

“Masks are utterly useless. There is no evidence base for their effectiveness whatsoever,” he said.

“Paper masks and fabric masks are simply virtue signalling. They are not even worn effectively most of the time. It’s utterly ridiculous. Seeing these unfortunate, uneducated people – I’m not saying that in a pejorative sense – seeing these people walking around like lemmings obeying without any knowledge base to put the mask on their face.”

“Nothing could be done to stop the spread of the virus besides protecting older more vulnerable people and that the whole situation represented ‘politics playing medicine,’” he said.

 

He hammered the unreliability of PCR tests, noting that “positive test results do not, underlined in neon, mean a clinical infection,” and that all testing should stop because the false numbers are “driving public hysteria.”

 

He said that the risk of death in the province of Alberta for people under the age of 65 was “1 in 300,000” and that it was simply “outrageous” to shut down society for what the doctor said “was just another bad flu.”

 

https://www.livetradingnews.com/masks-are-useless-there-is-no-evidence-for-their-effectiveness-at-all-201993.html

 

 

 

 

 

 

By the way I looked up his credentials because you know contrary to some very low info people around here I can actually think for myself....and shocker.....TOP result on Google......a statement from where he earned his certification (The Royal College of Physicians and Surgeons of Canada) essentially rebutting him.  Its top result on Google.....a statement from Royal College apologizing for him and making it clear they want you to know Covid is real!  

 

http://newsroom.royalcollege.ca/clarification-on-statements-made-regarding-covid-19-by-dr-roger-hodkinson/

 

 

You aren't allowed to dissent.  Fascists.  

Edited November 20, 2020 by Big Blitz

[TBBills]

17 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

 

No one is going to read anything you post b.c you already did enough to destroy any chance at anyone taking you seriously. Time for you to find a new website, this one is wise to your stupidity.

[shoshin]

Seems like a lot of people in the hospitals and dying are in on the hoax. 

[TBBills]

3 minutes ago, shoshin said:

Seems like a lot of people in the hospitals and dying are in on the hoax. 

Looks like the whole world is in on the hoax... China knows how to make one hell of an April Fools joke.

Edited November 20, 2020 by TBBills

[Big Blitz]

42 minutes ago, TBBills said:

No one is going to read anything you post b.c you already did enough to destroy any chance at anyone taking you seriously. Time for you to find a new website, this one is wise to your stupidity.

 

Lolol.....so perfect wish I could screen shot it all..

 

Top 5 threads the last response is you an hour ago..

 

You literally embarrass people away. .  

 

I've never seen it like this here....

 

[Q-baby!]

7 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

Lolol.....so perfect wish I could screen shot it all..

 

Top 5 threads the last response is you an hour ago..

 

You literally embarrass people away. .  

 

I've never seen it like this here....

 

Really?  Guess you missed DR and B Man before they strapped on their high heels and took off. 

[Big Blitz]

1 minute ago, Q-baby! said:

Really?  Guess you missed DR and B Man before they strapped on their high heels and took off. 

 

 

No I think they were sick of the selective bans.

[Q-baby!]

Just now, Big Blitz said:

 

 

No I think they were sick of the selective bans.

Embarrassed by how wrong they were. 

[Warcodered]

1 hour ago, Big Blitz said:

Fascinating.  "I'm not listening to this Doctor and virologist.  He has no clue what he's talking about."

 

--The internet 

 

Top Pathologist Claims Coronavirus is “The Greatest Hoax Ever Perpetrated on an Unsuspecting Public”

 

 

 

The coronavirus ‘pandemic‘ is the “greatest hoax ever perpetrated on an unsuspecting public,” according to Dr. Roger Hodkinson, 1 of Canada’s Top pathologists and an expert in virology.

Dr. Hodkinson made this statement during a Zoom conference with Alberta government officials.

 

Dr. Hodkinson is the CEO of biotech company Western Medical Assessments (a private company), which manufactures COVID tests, so he says he knows what he is talking about. “There is utterly unfounded public hysteria driven by the media and politicians, it is outrageous, this is the greatest hoax ever perpetrated on an unsuspecting public,” he said.

 

He also said that social distancing is useless and masks are too.

 

“Masks are utterly useless. There is no evidence base for their effectiveness whatsoever,” he said.

“Paper masks and fabric masks are simply virtue signalling. They are not even worn effectively most of the time. It’s utterly ridiculous. Seeing these unfortunate, uneducated people – I’m not saying that in a pejorative sense – seeing these people walking around like lemmings obeying without any knowledge base to put the mask on their face.”

“Nothing could be done to stop the spread of the virus besides protecting older more vulnerable people and that the whole situation represented ‘politics playing medicine,’” he said.

 

He hammered the unreliability of PCR tests, noting that “positive test results do not, underlined in neon, mean a clinical infection,” and that all testing should stop because the false numbers are “driving public hysteria.”

 

He said that the risk of death in the province of Alberta for people under the age of 65 was “1 in 300,000” and that it was simply “outrageous” to shut down society for what the doctor said “was just another bad flu.”

 

https://www.livetradingnews.com/masks-are-useless-there-is-no-evidence-for-their-effectiveness-at-all-201993.html

 

 

 

 

 

 

By the way I looked up his credentials because you know contrary to some very low info people around here I can actually think for myself....and shocker.....TOP result on Google......a statement from where he earned his certification (The Royal College of Physicians and Surgeons of Canada) essentially rebutting him.  Its top result on Google.....a statement from Royal College apologizing for him and making it clear they want you to know Covid is real!  

 

http://newsroom.royalcollege.ca/clarification-on-statements-made-regarding-covid-19-by-dr-roger-hodkinson/

 

 

You aren't allowed to dissent.  Fascists.  

Just going to conveniently leave out this part huh.

 

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We would like to clarify that Dr. Hodkinson is not nor has ever held the position of chairman of the Royal College of Physicians and Surgeons of Canada.