daz28 Posted October 16, 2020 Posted October 16, 2020 It's important to remember that the 1918 flu mutated from one in March that made you feel like regular flu to one that killed you within 24 hours after your first sneeze by September. Soldiers returning home spread it globally. That's why we have to remain wary(or panicky as you call it)
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted October 16, 2020 Posted October 16, 2020 Pfizer may apply for emergency use of COVID-19 vaccine by late November Application with FDA would come if trial data, due this month, is positive The Wall Street Journal-Oct 16 2020 Pfizer Inc. said it could be ready to apply for emergency-use authorization of its COVID-19 vaccine by late November, assuming it receives positive efficacy and safety data from late-stage human trials, the first time it or any other leading Western vaccine developer provided such a specific timeline. The drug giant, which is developing its vaccine candidate with German partner BioNTech SE, said it continues to expect to have data on the vaccine's effectiveness -- whether it protects at least a majority of vaccinated people from the disease -- later this month. It then expects to have data on the drug's safety by the third week of November. https://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/pfizer-emergency-use-covid-19-vaccine-late-november
Reality Check Posted October 16, 2020 Posted October 16, 2020 Just now, daz28 said: It's important to remember that the 1918 flu mutated from one in March that made you feel like regular flu to one that killed you within 24 hours after your first sneeze by September. Soldiers returning home spread it globally. That's why we have to remain wary(or panicky as you call it) "We" do not have to remain wary. Learn about what is best to cultivate your own immune system, crack open a book or two on virology, and you will feel much better about the future, while being less inclined to follow dubious narratives based on fear and uncertainty. Chronic inflammation caused by a poor lifestyle is public enemy number one in terms of national health. 1
oldmanfan Posted October 16, 2020 Posted October 16, 2020 (edited) 8 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: The utter lack of information in this country is absolutely stunning. After MILLIONS of cases and 200,000 deaths you’d think we’d know whether there’s any correlation between mask wearing and the virus. But no, everything’s political. How hard is it to find out what the common denominator is of those in the hospital? It’s not hard at all. They just won’t tell you. There is abundant data, both experimental and epidemiologic, indicating that mask wearing helps prevent spread of virus by holding down spread of droplets and aerosols. The data is irrefutable, yet people refuse to accept it because this has turned into a dumb political thing instead of what it is, a public health crisis. Edited October 16, 2020 by oldmanfan 2
spartacus Posted October 16, 2020 Posted October 16, 2020 22 minutes ago, daz28 said: If by panic you mean take precautions, then they actually are good for your health, and I surely will do your precautions include taking Vit C, Vit D and zinc? 1
daz28 Posted October 16, 2020 Posted October 16, 2020 1 minute ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: Pfizer may apply for emergency use of COVID-19 vaccine by late November Application with FDA would come if trial data, due this month, is positive The Wall Street Journal-Oct 16 2020 Pfizer Inc. said it could be ready to apply for emergency-use authorization of its COVID-19 vaccine by late November, assuming it receives positive efficacy and safety data from late-stage human trials, the first time it or any other leading Western vaccine developer provided such a specific timeline. The drug giant, which is developing its vaccine candidate with German partner BioNTech SE, said it continues to expect to have data on the vaccine's effectiveness -- whether it protects at least a majority of vaccinated people from the disease -- later this month. It then expects to have data on the drug's safety by the third week of November. https://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/pfizer-emergency-use-covid-19-vaccine-late-november Neat. Just in time for the opening bell on Friday after Trump said he would make Republicans vote for a big stimulus. 1
oldmanfan Posted October 16, 2020 Posted October 16, 2020 1 minute ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: Pfizer may apply for emergency use of COVID-19 vaccine by late November Application with FDA would come if trial data, due this month, is positive The Wall Street Journal-Oct 16 2020 Pfizer Inc. said it could be ready to apply for emergency-use authorization of its COVID-19 vaccine by late November, assuming it receives positive efficacy and safety data from late-stage human trials, the first time it or any other leading Western vaccine developer provided such a specific timeline. The drug giant, which is developing its vaccine candidate with German partner BioNTech SE, said it continues to expect to have data on the vaccine's effectiveness -- whether it protects at least a majority of vaccinated people from the disease -- later this month. It then expects to have data on the drug's safety by the third week of November. https://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/pfizer-emergency-use-covid-19-vaccine-late-november Let's hope they're on solid footing. There have been a couple cases now where Phase 3 trials have had to be stopped for detection of illnesses. 3 minutes ago, Reality Check said: "We" do not have to remain wary. Learn about what is best to cultivate your own immune system, crack open a book or two on virology, and you will feel much better about the future, while being less inclined to follow dubious narratives based on fear and uncertainty. Chronic inflammation caused by a poor lifestyle is public enemy number one in terms of national health. We should all do a better job with our general health. That would be a great thing to work on for the future, but in the present we have a viral pandemic that requires all of to work cooperatively to eradicate. 2
daz28 Posted October 16, 2020 Posted October 16, 2020 3 minutes ago, Reality Check said: "We" do not have to remain wary. Learn about what is best to cultivate your own immune system, crack open a book or two on virology, and you will feel much better about the future, while being less inclined to follow dubious narratives based on fear and uncertainty. Chronic inflammation caused by a poor lifestyle is public enemy number one in terms of national health. That is a personal choice. In America were allowed to give ourselves chronic inflammation. On the other hand negligence is criminal. Btw, I have a health care background, and have taken classes/labs.
spartacus Posted October 16, 2020 Posted October 16, 2020 Just now, oldmanfan said: There is abundant data, both experimentaltal and epidemiologic, indicating that mask wearing helps prevent spread of virus by holding down spread of droplets and aerosols. The data is irrefutable, yet people refuse to accept it because this has turned into a dumb political thing instead of what it is, a public health crisis. cool - you used big words However, According to the laws of physics (which have not been suspended during this pandemic), it is impossible for aerosol particles of .27 micron to be blocked by even N-95 masks with .5 micron holes. Every breathe taken through a mask frees whatever virus was attached to a droplet and turns it into a floating aerosol , freed to venture the world 2
daz28 Posted October 16, 2020 Posted October 16, 2020 Just now, BeerLeagueHockey said: Come on, man. Kamala says if Donnie likes it, she won't take it. Get with the program. You have to doubt it until Jan 22nd -ish. I agree. The vaccine has become politicized and economized. Now when it comes time to get it, no one will trust it. Brilliant. I know I won't be the first one to take it.
oldmanfan Posted October 16, 2020 Posted October 16, 2020 1 minute ago, spartacus said: cool - you used big words However, According to the laws of physics (which have not been suspended during this pandemic), it is impossible for aerosol particles of .27 micron to be blocked by even N-95 masks with .5 micron holes. Every breathe taken through a mask frees whatever virus was attached to a droplet and turns it into a floating aerosol , freed to venture the world here's another big word. Mitigate. Masks are not 100% effective and no one has said they are. But they are a part of a strategy to mitigate spread.
daz28 Posted October 16, 2020 Posted October 16, 2020 6 minutes ago, spartacus said: do your precautions include taking Vit C, Vit D and zinc? I've always taken supplements, even though I'm relatively healthy
oldmanfan Posted October 16, 2020 Posted October 16, 2020 7 minutes ago, spartacus said: do your precautions include taking Vit C, Vit D and zinc? I take zinc myself. Evidence suggests zinc has antiviral properties. 1
shoshin Posted October 16, 2020 Posted October 16, 2020 9 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: Pfizer may apply for emergency use of COVID-19 vaccine by late November Application with FDA would come if trial data, due this month, is positive The Wall Street Journal-Oct 16 2020 Pfizer Inc. said it could be ready to apply for emergency-use authorization of its COVID-19 vaccine by late November, assuming it receives positive efficacy and safety data from late-stage human trials, the first time it or any other leading Western vaccine developer provided such a specific timeline. The drug giant, which is developing its vaccine candidate with German partner BioNTech SE, said it continues to expect to have data on the vaccine's effectiveness -- whether it protects at least a majority of vaccinated people from the disease -- later this month. It then expects to have data on the drug's safety by the third week of November. https://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/pfizer-emergency-use-covid-19-vaccine-late-november My wife will be one of the first people as an HCW with lots of contact. I wonder how long from approval to injection. 3 minutes ago, daz28 said: I know I won't be the first one to take it. Really? I'm fine taking it early but I'm healthy and happy to defer to those at risk, HCWs, and anyone just afraid.
Reality Check Posted October 16, 2020 Posted October 16, 2020 2 minutes ago, daz28 said: That is a personal choice. In America were allowed to give ourselves chronic inflammation. On the other hand negligence is criminal. Btw, I have a health care background, and have taken classes/labs. I applaud your right to harm yourself. I however, am under no obligation to change my activities to support your self destructive tendencies. The argument that you can sabotage yourself while I am obligated to wear a mask around you to protect your false sense of security is pretty funny. 1
SDS Posted October 16, 2020 Posted October 16, 2020 4 minutes ago, BeerLeagueHockey said: Come on, man. Kamala says if Donnie likes it, she won't take it. Get with the program. You have to doubt it until Jan 22nd -ish. she said plainly that she would not take a vaccine on his word alone, and that she would trust the experts when the time came. 1
spartacus Posted October 16, 2020 Posted October 16, 2020 Just now, oldmanfan said: I take zinc myself. Evidence suggests zinc has antiviral properties. if so, why isn't this being promoted as important for all Americans to protect themselves why promote fear porn 2
daz28 Posted October 16, 2020 Posted October 16, 2020 4 minutes ago, spartacus said: cool - you used big words However, According to the laws of physics (which have not been suspended during this pandemic), it is impossible for aerosol particles of .27 micron to be blocked by even N-95 masks with .5 micron holes. Every breathe taken through a mask frees whatever virus was attached to a droplet and turns it into a floating aerosol , freed to venture the world So you're saying that entering a room that a person with the flu is in gives me the same chance of getting sick as if they coughed and sneezed directly on my face?
Reality Check Posted October 16, 2020 Posted October 16, 2020 8 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: Let's hope they're on solid footing. There have been a couple cases now where Phase 3 trials have had to be stopped for detection of illnesses. We should all do a better job with our general health. That would be a great thing to work on for the future, but in the present we have a viral pandemic that requires all of to work cooperatively to eradicate. False. The nanosecond this so called pandemic hit, people should have done an assessment of their personal health and lifestyle trends. Viruses do not get eradicated. Fragments of RNA are everywhere regardless. Only your personal immune system can address these threat appropriately. Hygiene, diet, activity, and mental health are personal means of empowerment. 1
daz28 Posted October 16, 2020 Posted October 16, 2020 4 minutes ago, shoshin said: Really? I'm fine taking it early but I'm healthy and happy to defer to those at risk, HCWs, and anyone just afraid. I want them to take the time to do it properly. I'll maintain other measures until I feel it's safe 6 minutes ago, spartacus said: if so, why isn't this being promoted as important for all Americans to protect themselves why promote fear porn I googled zinc Coronavirus and got 25 million results, so it's not like anyone's hiding it, but I agree they could promote it more. Unlike drugs like hydroxy it really can't hurt you 1
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