Deranged Rhino Posted September 21, 2020 Posted September 21, 2020 People aren't as dumb as they like to think.
WEATHER DOT COM Posted September 21, 2020 Posted September 21, 2020 6 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: People aren't as dumb as they like to think. First Floyd now RBG. B word, complain, and B word some more.
Deranged Rhino Posted September 21, 2020 Posted September 21, 2020 Games on games on games... How many lives could have been saved? How many businesses? All for partisan politics. 2 2
shoshin Posted September 21, 2020 Posted September 21, 2020 1 hour ago, Deranged Rhino said: "Rules for you, not for me" It's not too dangerous to vote in person. It's dangerous for *some people* to vote in person. Oh, and in many states, voting by mail is legal so anyone can do it any time and in the year of a pandemic, that would seem like a good time. 1 hour ago, Deranged Rhino said: Games on games on games... How many lives could have been saved? How many businesses? All for partisan politics. They said the same about India in the summer.
Magox Posted September 21, 2020 Posted September 21, 2020 Edition #137 in Sweden got it right Meanwhile, Europe is going through their second wave and are considering new lock downs. This is now a settled matter, for those that doubted Sweden's approach, just come out now and say you got it wrong. 3 4
Magox Posted September 21, 2020 Posted September 21, 2020 On 9/19/2020 at 11:29 PM, Doc Brown said: I was just perusing this thread seeing if there was anything on excess deaths. Thanks for the link. I've discussed this and linked lots of things pertaining to excess deaths. Tremendous amount of excess deaths are Non COVID related. The vast majority of them are people younger than the age of 50. The draconian shut downs and heavy social distancing restrictions will go down in history as a colossal health policy response failure. This virus was so much less worse than what it was made out to be. I said it early on. the shut downs and heavy restrictions will have a far greater overall negative impact than the virus itself. 1 3
Buffalo_Gal Posted September 21, 2020 Posted September 21, 2020 (edited) 36 minutes ago, Magox said: Edition #137 in Sweden got it right Meanwhile, Europe is going through their second wave and are considering new lock downs. This is now a settled matter, for those that doubted Sweden's approach, just come out now and say you got it wrong. I think a lot of people doubted Sweden’s approach. People also doubted the lockdown approach. And, some of them were the same people. IMO, doubt, without concrete evidence one way or the other, is good. Edited September 21, 2020 by Buffalo_Gal 1 1
Taro T Posted September 21, 2020 Posted September 21, 2020 1 minute ago, Buffalo_Gal said: I think a lot of people doubted Sweden’s approach. People also doubted the lockdown approach. And, some of them were the same people. IMO, doubt, without concrete evidence one way or the other, is good. Had Sweden managed to protect their elderly, would've said they nailed it. But they definitely could've done better there. 1
Buffalo_Gal Posted September 21, 2020 Posted September 21, 2020 Just now, Taro T said: Had Sweden managed to protect their elderly, would've said they nailed it. But they definitely could've done better there. Oh, don’t get me wrong, I think Sweden got is as close to “right” as possible. However, questioning an approach is not a bad thing. 1
shoshin Posted September 21, 2020 Posted September 21, 2020 5 minutes ago, Taro T said: Had Sweden managed to protect their elderly, would've said they nailed it. But they definitely could've done better there. Sweden did it "right" in that they stayed open IMO. But we are not Sweden. They are less populous, less densely populated, have a high population of people living alone, healthier, etc. Our outcomes, even if we did exactly what they did, are already worse and would have been worse. We aren't Sweden. We aren't India.
SoCal Deek Posted September 21, 2020 Posted September 21, 2020 (edited) All of this comparison to other countries is downright tiresome. If you lock everyone in their homes they won’t catch the virus but they’ll starve to death. If you let everyone go about their lives some vulnerable people will die but the vast majority of the population won’t. It’s not complicated!!!! Edited September 21, 2020 by SoCal Deek 1
Magox Posted September 21, 2020 Posted September 21, 2020 23 minutes ago, Taro T said: Had Sweden managed to protect their elderly, would've said they nailed it. But they definitely could've done better there. That was their largest failure and they would be the first to admit that. In hindsight, the correct policy response would have been to keep most businesses and society with common sense social distancing measures and not allowing large groups to gather in confined spaces. Deaths would have gone up initially but the overall amount of deaths would have been lower as there wouldn’t have been nearly as many of the non COVID related excess deaths. Not to mention the tremendous damage on the economy as we have seen. Trumps instincts to have society open back up are right but his inability to show enough empathy is a reality he is facing now with voters. With that said the political damage he would have faced months back would have been enormous if he had kept everything opened up. Even though the country would have been much solid footing at this point than it is now. 1
Magox Posted September 21, 2020 Posted September 21, 2020 33 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said: I think a lot of people doubted Sweden’s approach. People also doubted the lockdown approach. And, some of them were the same people. IMO, doubt, without concrete evidence one way or the other, is good. I started a thread in this back in April, and it’s amazing to see with the information that was available back then Closely matched up with the same conclusions as today. Which was that the focus was too heavily direct COVID impact centric. Health policy officials and the media failed, they viewed COVID in a vacuum. The media we understand why they failed, they don’t care about what is right they care about Democrats winning elections. They are a broken institution. The health officials should have seen this from the beginning. If non health officials like us saw this coming then why couldn’t they have seen it? A complete failure. 3 1
B-Man Posted September 21, 2020 Posted September 21, 2020 @redsteeze Either gatherings matter or they don't with the virus, and our media and public health officials have decided that only some do while others don't. And that's why people don't care anymore. 2 2
Big Blitz Posted September 21, 2020 Posted September 21, 2020 Biggest hoax in the history of mankind.
spartacus Posted September 22, 2020 Posted September 22, 2020 (edited) 55 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: Biggest hoax in the history of mankind. didn't think anything could beat the Statin drug annuity scam Edited September 22, 2020 by spartacus typo
Chef Jim Posted September 22, 2020 Posted September 22, 2020 See that god dam peen ball hammer? Up your ass I’ll ***** jam her!
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